Mister X vs. Deathstroke - Battles

#1 Posted by Renny (507 posts) - 3 years, 8 months ago - Show Bio

vs.

#2 Posted by SwaggaB0y (5262 posts) - 3 years, 8 months ago - Show Bio

Mister X is the man to beat

thanks gerald

#3 Posted by geraldthesloth (33313 posts) - 3 years, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@SwaggaB0y: I try

#4 Posted by castleking (24119 posts) - 3 years, 8 months ago - Show Bio

pure h2h X takes it..... standard gear DS can take it in a hard earn fight due to grenades and his staff blast ...

#5 Posted by SwaggaB0y (5262 posts) - 3 years, 8 months ago - Show Bio

@geraldthesloth said:

" @SwaggaB0y: I try "

thats all that matters.

#6 Posted by Renny (507 posts) - 3 years, 8 months ago - Show Bio

I think the meta grenade is Slades only shot. X wins hand to hand and probably with weapons. I haven't seen Slade use the grenade enough to say its part of his standard gear.

#7 Posted by joshmightbe (19500 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

this fight could go either way X is better at hand to hand but slade plays dirty

#8 Posted by Sherlock (6803 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

X Has his TP thing goin on and he is a Wicked good fighter im giving this to him

#9 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Sherlock said:

" X Has his TP thing goin on and he is a Wicked good fighter im giving this to him "

Didn't I already disprove this on the other thread? X isn't a telepath, if he was then he wouldn't have gotten beaten by Iron Fist's drunken kung fu style, and he wouldn't have trouble fighting multiple opponents

#10 Edited by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Sherlock: @joshmightbe: @Ren: @SwaggaB0y: Wrong, Deathstroke has trained his mind to guard against telepaths, ones more powerful than Mister X, DS wins.(sorry if it sounded rude). And Mister X is not as good at h2h as DS, he only looks good because he can predict the moves.

#11 Posted by k4tzm4n (30919 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Fist_of_Mandalore said:

" @Sherlock: @joshmightbe: @Ren: @SwaggaB0y: Wrong, Deathstroke has trained his mind to guard against telepaths, ones more powerful than Mister X, DS wins.(sorry if it sounded rude). And Mister X is not as good at h2h as DS, he only looks good because he can predict the moves. "

What good is knowing if you don't have the technique to counter? People seem to forget Mr. X has mastered every form of material arts. The reason he's been downplayed is, as Dane calls it, the "hero factor".

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#12 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Deathstroke is resistant to pre cog's as explained when he fought Ravager as well he has a strong mental resistance to telepath. Deathstroke should win do to superior strength speed and agility as well as his healing factor. Mister X may no more fighting styles but Deathstroke is a smarter fighter and has the advantage of his tactical brain and the fact that Mister X's advantage will be ineffective

#13 Posted by Renny (507 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@k4tzm4n said:

"@Fist_of_Mandalore said:
What good is knowing if you don't have the technique to counter? People seem to forget Mr. X has mastered every form of material arts. The reason he's been downplayed is, as Dane calls it, the "hero factor". "

Well. That and the fact that for some stupid reason he keeps telling everybody how his power works.

#14 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

" Deathstroke is resistant to pre cog's as explained when he fought Ravager as well he has a strong mental resistance to telepath.

Mister X isn't a telepathy, or a precognitive. He reads moves based on his opponent's neural impulses.

#15 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:
" Deathstroke is resistant to pre cog's as explained when he fought Ravager as well he has a strong mental resistance to telepath.
Mister X isn't a telepathy, or a precognitive. He reads moves based on his opponent's neural impulses. "

Similar to Ravager which he is resistant to since nothing in his body moves with out his control

#16 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

You know, X fights would be so much simpler if the writers would make up their minds, is he a psychic or does he read neural impulses???

#17 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus said:

Similar to Ravager which he is resistant to since nothing in his body moves with out his control "

It isn't similar. Ravager has visions that allow her to briefly see the future. Mister X has the mutant ability to lock on to an opponent's neural impulses in order to read body movements. Again, they are not similar. Just because he's resistant to Ravager's precognitive visions doesn't mean he's unreadable by Mister X. Any movement he makes will be read. There's no way around it.

#18 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock said:

" @Son_of_Magnus said:
Similar to Ravager which he is resistant to since nothing in his body moves with out his control "
It isn't similar. Ravager has visions that allow her to briefly see the future. Mister X has the mutant ability to lock on to an opponent's neural impulses in order to read body movements. Again, they are not similar. Just because he's resistant to Ravager's precognitive visions doesn't mean he's unreadable by Mister X. Any movement he makes will be read. There's no way around it. "

Ok I can not load my scan for some reason but it clearly states that Ravager's Pre Cog works by reading the smallest muscle movement and flinches the smallest bead of sweat and working from there, Than Deathstroke goes on to say that not a single molecule moves in his body unless he wants it to and that is why she can not read his movements and that he can cause machines to believe he is dead by shutting off everything in his body

#19 Edited by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus: That's Ravager. I'm talking about Mister X, who reads body movements differently. Neural impulses. Not muscle movement, and not by sweat. On top of that, he's not going be ready or know about Mister X's ability, anyway. Also, if Deathstroke was so immune to what you claim, why was Cassandra Cain able to read him in both of her fights with him?

#20 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: That's Ravager. I'm talking about Mister X, who reads body movements differently. Neural impulses. Not muscle movement, and not by sweat. On top of that, he's not going be ready or know about Mister X's ability, anyway. Also, if Deathstroke was so immune to what you claim, why was Cassandra Cain able to read him in both of her fights with him? "

He has never truly gave Cassandra his all Cassandra even said he is better than her and she knows he would kill her. As well in Titans East Arc when he actually wanted to fight Cassandra he was tossing her around like a rag doll on top of her Dick Jericho Ravager and Tim. Cassandra being able to read Slade is poor writing since more than one occasion talks of his ability to control his body

#21 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus: Despite the fact that Cassandra thinks that Slade would kill her, it has never stopped her from performing well in one-on-one confrontations with him. At the same time, it has nothing to do with the fact that she was able to read him in battle. It can be argued that in one battle, he wasn't giving it his all (the battle that he was saving for Ravager to fight her). In the other battle, where he actually attempted to fight her physically, shoot her, and all sorts of things, he was apparently giving his all there, and later blew up the building as a distraction to make a getaway. I'm not sure why you think it's poor writing, and anyone can control their body if they aren't moving. Besides, Ravager's ability to read is different from Cassandra's, too.

Anyway, it doesn't really matter. Cassandra has shown to read him, and there's nothing to disprove Mister X's ability to do it here, as well. At the same time, Deathstroke wouldn't even know about it.

#22 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock: Still even with the advantage of pre cog or what ever you want to call it I will still say Deathstroke wins due to his physical advantage, tactical advantage, and his brain

#23 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus: Physical advantage won't mean anymore to Deathstroke then it has to Wolverine or the Asgardians he has killed, and his tactics won't help much when Mister X can see everything he is going to do.

#24 Posted by Renny (507 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I think it's a close call. I like both characters. I think X has potential. And Deathstroke is as bada$$ as it gets.

#25 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus: Just saying that even if Deathstroke is able to win, X will not make it easy for him. The physical advantage may not even be that much of a factor, considering his his ability to read moves and his martial arts skill (which are probably better than Deathstroke's). Wolverine physical outclasses X, and yet, he was able to hold his own against him (and outright defeat him in their first battle). In a physical fight, it would clearly go to X. But, if Deathstroke gets his weapons (guns and blasting staff), then it would definitely go to Deathstroke.

#26 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: Physical advantage won't mean anymore to Deathstroke then it has to Wolverine or the Asgardians he has killed, and his tactics won't help much when Mister X can see everything he is going to do. "

Wolverine and Asgardians don't add up well to The JLA and Teen Titans Deathstroke has been able to take out on impulse of his brain. His brain as said allows him to be up to 12 steps ahead of his opponent at all times they can only concentrate on the fight yet Deathstroke can plan out all his next actions his trigonometry homework his escape and what he wants for dinner all at the same time. As well his dueability and healing factor alone is said to make his skin as strong as rocks and he has been able to tank rpgs and instantly recovers getting his spine severed and heart cut through as well as getting his eyes gouged.

#27 Posted by Son_of_Magnus (15259 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock said:

" @Son_of_Magnus: Just saying that even if Deathstroke is able to win, X will not make it easy for him. The physical advantage may not even be that much of a factor, considering his his ability to read moves and his martial arts skill (which are probably better than Deathstroke's). Wolverine physical outclasses X, and yet, he was able to hold his own against him (and outright defeat him in their first battle). In a physical fight, it would clearly go to X. But, if Deathstroke gets his weapons (guns and blasting staff), then it would definitely go to Deathstroke. "

It will be far from easy Deathstroke will be coming out of their half dead pulling himself by his straw hairs

#28 Posted by Ferro Vida (33859 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Son_of_Magnus: Let me stop you right there. You were arguing that Slade's physical enhancements would give him enough of an advantage to win. They wouldn't.

It doesn't matter how far ahead Slade can think when Mister X can see every move he is going to make ahead of time.

#29 Posted by Fortanono (4890 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Mr. X.

#30 Posted by Morpheus_ (29871 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

Mister X wins.

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#31 Edited by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Ferro Vida: @Static Shock: Not to argue, but it does say on the Vine database that he is a low level telepath. He even said it himself in the recent Thunderbolts comic.
Also to everyone else, I said on the first page that DS has learned how to guard his mind against telepaths. Also some of you say that he has learned every martial arts there is and the only reason he gets beat is because of the Hero factor. Thats actually wrong, Scourge(Nuke) was kicking his ass pretty well, in the Thunderbolts comic, and he couldn't do shit against Quicksilver, or the one guy who was super smart because with Quick he couldn't react quickly enough, and with the Smart guy, he couldn't understand everything. DS has both those advantages. Ds is much much smarter, than Mister X could even imagine to become, and he is way to quick for him to react. He moved fast enough to stop Black Canary from screaming, and has fought multiple different Flashes. DS takes this.

#32 Edited by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Fist_of_Mandalore: The Vine database is wrong. I remember Black Widow stating that he locks on to neural impulses in that Thunderbolts comic.

#33 Posted by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock: And that could be, but it was even said in the comic. The most recent Thunderbolts run with him in it, it was even stated that he was a low level telepath. So it may be wrong, but I don't think so cause it was even said in the comic. And since he is a low level telepath, he ain't going to be able to read shit from DS, lol. You should read the run, it was really good.

#34 Posted by daak1212 (7790 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Fist_of_Mandalore said:

" @Static Shock: And that could be, but it was even said in the comic. The most recent Thunderbolts run with him in it, it was even stated that he was a low level telepath. So it may be wrong, but I don't think so cause it was even said in the comic. And since he is a low level telepath, he ain't going to be able to read shit from DS, lol. You should read the run, it was really good. "

Yeah it was also during him and Wolverines first fight and was elaborated on in Wolverine Blood sport?( The one where Mister X is trying to get revenge for losing to him when he Bloodlusted ) I think he does both. The telepathy and neralmotion watching for peoples minds he cant read ala wolverine

#35 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock said:

" @Fist_of_Mandalore: The Vine database is wrong. I remember Black Widow stating that he locks on to neural impulses in that Thunderbolts comic. "

#36 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Fist_of_Mandalore said:

" @Ferro Vida: @Static Shock: Not to argue, but it does say on the Vine database that he is a low level telepath. He even said it himself in the recent Thunderbolts comic.Also to everyone else, I said on the first page that DS has learned how to guard his mind against telepaths. Also some of you say that he has learned every martial arts there is and the only reason he gets beat is because of the Hero factor. Thats actually wrong, Scourge(Nuke) was kicking his ass pretty well, in the Thunderbolts comic, and he couldn't do shit against Quicksilver, or the one guy who was super smart because with Quick he couldn't react quickly enough, and with the Smart guy, he couldn't understand everything. DS has both those advantages. Ds is much much smarter, than Mister X could even imagine to become, and he is way to quick for him to react. He moved fast enough to stop Black Canary from screaming, and has fought multiple different Flashes. DS takes this. "

Are you referring to Adameus Cho?

#37 Posted by daak1212 (7790 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Fist_of_Mandalore said:

" @Ferro Vida: @Static Shock: Not to argue, but it does say on the Vine database that he is a low level telepath. He even said it himself in the recent Thunderbolts comic.Also to everyone else, I said on the first page that DS has learned how to guard his mind against telepaths. Also some of you say that he has learned every martial arts there is and the only reason he gets beat is because of the Hero factor. Thats actually wrong, Scourge(Nuke) was kicking his ass pretty well, in the Thunderbolts comic, and he couldn't do shit against Quicksilver, or the one guy who was super smart because with Quick he couldn't react quickly enough, and with the Smart guy, he couldn't understand everything. DS has both those advantages. Ds is much much smarter, than Mister X could even imagine to become, and he is way to quick for him to react. He moved fast enough to stop Black Canary from screaming, and has fought multiple different Flashes. DS takes this. "

Are you saying that Deathstroke could?

#38 Posted by joshmightbe (19500 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

if deathstroke actually thought mr. x could beat him he'd probably just take him out with a sniper rifle

#39 Posted by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86: Yeah, that name rings a bell. I'm not saying DS is as smart as him, but just proving the fact that DS can think things that Mister X just can't comprehend.
@daak1212: Yes, I'm saying Desthstroke would beat Mister X. Mister X has not one single advantage over DS.

#40 Edited by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Fist_of_Mandalore: I read the book. He's not a telepath, and he doesn't read minds. Read the scan above, and get back to me.

#41 Edited by Renny (507 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I think i'm switching my vote to Deathstroke.

#42 Posted by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock: But it does state that he is a low level telepath, but even then he isn't beating DS. Why? Because Mister X is a cocky son of a B. He would tell DS that he has no chance because he can read DS's neurological impulses. Then DS will simply fake out Mister X. I bet you all my money that is how it would go. DS, is a genius and master strategist. He'll fake him out easy. Plus as stated before by me, it doesn't matter if he can predict his moves he can't react quick enough to do anything about it. So still DS wins.

#43 Edited by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Static Shock said:

" @Fist_of_Mandalore: I read the book. He's not a telepath, and he doesn't reaad minds. Read the scan above, and get back to me. "

It's a bit inconsistent though, this scan is from TB 132, in a later issue he got owned by Adameous Cho because he ricocheted an arrow in a complex way, that X was unable to understand it and got hit by it.

#44 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

The bottom line here is that Mister X's power is inconsistent and its hard to tell if he is a psychic that reads minds or if he can lock on to neural impulses, it clearly states on the scan on the previous page that the latter is his ability, but on panel showings would suggest otherwise, like getting owned by a beserk Logan and Adamous Cho.

#45 Edited by Fist_of_Mandalore (1879 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86: Thats a really true statement. I just realized that to be tricked by like that he would have to read his brain, interesting. But in the end I think DS does win. Mister X just can't react quick enough to do anything. The guy took down the entire Justice League single handedly. He can handle Mister X. But I won't lie, Mister X is an incredibly cool character and if written properly could be a real badass.

#46 Posted by daak1212 (7790 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Fist_of_Mandalore said:

" @FinalStar86: Yeah, that name rings a bell. I'm not saying DS is as smart as him, but just proving the fact that DS can think things that Mister X just can't comprehend.
@daak1212: Yes, I'm saying Desthstroke would beat Mister X. Mister X has not one single advantage over DS. "

I ment avoid the attack.

#47 Posted by beatboks1 (4880 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

I'm going with DS. Most of those who state X are using the fact that he could take Wolverine. Everyone in Marvel has taken Logan at some point. Slade is more enhanced than Logan (stronger, faster, better relfexes) and let's not forget uses 80% (or is it 90 i never remember) of his brain. As for the post that Cas can read him, there are more fights where Slade has won (or held her off easily) than the ones where Cass has stalemated

#48 Posted by FinalStar86 (8682 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@beatboks1 said:

" I'm going with DS. Most of those who state X are using the fact that he could take Wolverine. Everyone in Marvel has taken Logan at some point. Slade is more enhanced than Logan (stronger, faster, better relfexes) and let's not forget uses 80% (or is it 90 i never remember) of his brain. As for the post that Cas can read him, there are more fights where Slade has won (or held her off easily) than the ones where Cass has stalemated "

He also did very good against the Thunder Bolts including Paladin [who's fought the WCA]

#49 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@FinalStar86 said:

"It's a bit inconsistent though, this scan is from TB 132, in a later issue he got owned by Adameous Cho because he ricocheted an arrow in a complex way, that X was unable to understand it and got hit by it. "

Maybe Mister X doesn't understand spatial awareness, trajectory and geometry. That has nothing to do with his ability to read.

#50 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - 2 years, 10 months ago - Show Bio

@Fist_of_Mandalore said:

" @Static Shock: But it does state that he is a low level telepath

Telepaths read thoughts. Mister X doesn't do that. The scan clearly states that he locks on to neural impulses.