Miss Martian vs. Emma Frost

- Location: A Construction Site located in New York City.
 
- Both can only use telepathy. 
- They have no weapons or equipment.    
- Current versions of both. 
- Morals are off.  
- Elimination by Death or K.O.   
- They start a opposite ends of the site at about 25 feet apart. 
Who wins?

I think that Miss Martians telepathy is stronger, but I could be wrong, so I say Miss Martian.

I think that Miss Martians telepathy is stronger, but I could be wrong, so I say Miss Martian.

@Superskrull86 said:

I think that Miss Martians telepathy is stronger, but I could be wrong, so I say Miss Martian.

Emma's out skilled people that are stronger than her, Rachel Grey being one of them.

@god_spawn said:

@Superskrull86 said:

I think that Miss Martians telepathy is stronger, but I could be wrong, so I say Miss Martian.

Emma's out skilled people that are stronger than her, Rachel Grey being one of them.

And Nate.

@Son Of Storm said:

@god_spawn said:

@Superskrull86 said:

I think that Miss Martians telepathy is stronger, but I could be wrong, so I say Miss Martian.

Emma's out skilled people that are stronger than her, Rachel Grey being one of them.

And Nate.

and Xavier.. 

She had psychic prep and Scott's help for Xavier if I recall correctly. Unless there is another instance I'm forgetting about, she doesn't have it here and I don't see it being a valid point.

@god_spawn said: 

She had psychic prep and Scott's help for Xavier if I recall correctly. Unless there is another instance I'm forgetting about, she doesn't have it here and I don't see it being a valid point.

she did had prep and Scott lured Charles to enter his mind where Emma was waiting.. aside from that, during the first instance Charles and Emma met in comic during the Dark Phoenix Saga, Emma managed to capture and sedate Charles Xavier himself.. Emma has also stalemated Exodus and defeated Nate Grey who once defeat Charles Xavier, iirc.. 

I'd put Charles over her anyways, but I think given more practice she could beat him like once she nears his years of experience. Just IMI. She stalemated Exodus but would've lost if not for Dust and I can't make a case for Nate Grey, if it was when he was younger and unskilled I could believe it because she did so against Rachel Grey, if not I'd call it PIS considering how powerful and skilled Nate has gotten.

Frost begs for mercy and loses a ear or two.

@god_spawn said: 

I'd put Charles over her anyways, but I think given more practice she could beat him like once she nears his years of experience. Just IMI. She stalemated Exodus but would've lost if not for Dust and I can't make a case for Nate Grey, if it was when he was younger and unskilled I could believe it because she did so against Rachel Grey, if not I'd call it PIS considering how powerful and skilled Nate has gotten.

true.. Charles and Emma both agreed that Chales' mind is stronger.. but their skill is probably equal.. given her experience and his seniority to her on that department, Emma is very much close.. Emma stalemated Exodus with Exodus that with such a battle, he cannot employ his other powers and if Emma falls, who would be there to stop him.. i really won't conclude that Emma was on the verge of losing the battle with Exodus for what as shown, she hasn't shown extreme effort in their battle.. also, i remember Emma blocking Charles during WW Hulk and has performed a telepathic broadcast on a planetary scale without much effort.. Xavier hasn't shown such feat yet on Earth but i remember him harnessing all the minds of the entire Skrull race so that may count as planetary level telepathy.. 

Miss Martian handles Emma...

@god_spawn said: 

I'd put Charles over her anyways, but I think given more practice she could beat him like once she nears his years of experience. Just IMI. She stalemated Exodus but would've lost if not for Dust and I can't make a case for Nate Grey, if it was when he was younger and unskilled I could believe it because she did so against Rachel Grey, if not I'd call it PIS considering how powerful and skilled Nate has gotten.

true.. Charles and Emma both agreed that Chales' mind is stronger.. but their skill is probably equal.. given her experience and his seniority to her on that department, Emma is very much close.. Emma stalemated Exodus with Exodus that with such a battle, he cannot employ his other powers and if Emma falls, who would be there to stop him.. i really won't conclude that Emma was on the verge of losing the battle with Exodus for what as shown, she hasn't shown extreme effort in their battle.. also, i remember Emma blocking Charles during WW Hulk and has performed a telepathic broadcast on a planetary scale without much effort.. Xavier hasn't shown such feat yet on Earth but i remember him harnessing all the minds of the entire Skrull race so that may count as planetary level telepathy.. 

Miss Martian handles Emma...

I may be wrong here. But when Xavier fought Exodus wasn't he still able to keep his physical body safe by using his other power.

Yes Frost is some little child pretending to  white queen with decent feats ho-rah...

@Nigel90 @MKF30 
Either of you have some feats for MM?

@Son Of Storm said: 

I may be wrong here. But when Xavier fought Exodus wasn't he still able to keep his physical body safe by using his other power.

yes.. i remember when Exodus was fighting Charles, Magneto tried to attack him but was then hit by a concussive force.. maybe, Emma is doing some form of psychic technique which prevents Exodus from employing his other powers.. or its just that fighting Emma needs more concentration with his telepathic powers.. know really know..  
 

Either way it shows she's no pushover. 
Though if Emma did have that type of trick card up her sleeve you think she would employ it more.

@Son Of Storm said: 

Either way it shows she's no pushover. 
Though if Emma did have that type of trick card up her sleeve you think she would employ it more.

well, if she does, she should employ it more.. she is one of the most skilled telepath out there.. 

@MKF30
Emma has done most of these herself. Minus the fighting.

@lord_oraculous016 said:

@Son Of Storm said:

@god_spawn said:

@Superskrull86 said:

I think that Miss Martians telepathy is stronger, but I could be wrong, so I say Miss Martian.

Emma's out skilled people that are stronger than her, Rachel Grey being one of them.

And Nate.

and Xavier.. 

She had psychic prep and Scott's help for Xavier if I recall correctly. Unless there is another instance I'm forgetting about, she doesn't have it here and I don't see it being a valid point.

Also, when did she beat Nate?

Probably emma based on prowess though i haven't read much from miss martian. 

As to what I know of each character, Miss Martian may have more to offer than simple telepathy though Emma can go diamond and prevent the young martian's mental attacks, I don't know how Emma can hold to the hits she may get from Miss Martian.
 
Telepathy alone, I would agree that she is really a cunning and experienced to the level of impossible already. So, I do believe she has the shot fighting Miss Martian out. One can not really just underestimate the White Queen.

As to what I know of each character, Miss Martian may have more to offer than simple telepathy though Emma can go diamond and prevent the young martian's mental attacks, I don't know how Emma can hold to the hits she may get from Miss Martian.  

@Son Of Storm said:

@MKF30
Emma has done most of these herself. Minus the fighting.

When has emma ever released someone from Darkseid's control? Or someone as powerful as his mind control?

  And she's communicated with several people all at once around the world? Proof? 

Gallery

Gallery

Plastic man is immune but she was able to penetrate his mind, I'm sure of it I just can't find the darn scan... 
 
She also has a ton of ridiculous physical feats as well but being as how this is just a telepathic battle...

Plastic man is immune but she was able to penetrate his mind, I'm sure of it I just can't find the darn scan...  
She also has a ton of ridiculous physical feats as well but being as how this is just a telepathic battle...

Apparently, she tried harder and was able to do so....which kind of makes sense. It's like MMH in one arch where he said he had trouble reading Thanagians minds but if he tried harder, he was able to do so. 

Apparently, she tried harder and was able to do so....which kind of makes sense. It's like MMH in one arch where he said he had trouble reading Thanagians minds but if he tried harder, he was able to do so. 

@BMEZY: Can't see the image, but I'm pretty sure I know what fight you're referring to. IIRC all Rachel had there was an echo, not the full PF. And I doubt that things would work out exactly the same the second time around.  

@Son of storm, I'll still go with MM here, Emma is impressive but after reading up on MIss M's feats...I think she takes out Emma here.

@Son of storm, I'll still go with MM here, Emma is impressive but after reading up on MIss M's feats...I think she takes out Emma here.

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

@BMEZY: Can't see the image, but I'm pretty sure I know what fight you're referring to. IIRC all Rachel had there was an echo, not the full PF. And I doubt that things would work out exactly the same the second time around.  

Rachel may have an an echo of the Phoenix 

Riddled with pis? 
 
So, Emma's are legit but Miss Martian's are pis? right...

Riddled with pis?  So, Emma's are legit but Miss Martian's are pis? right...

@lord_oraculous016 said:

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

@BMEZY: Can't see the image, but I'm pretty sure I know what fight you're referring to. IIRC all Rachel had there was an echo, not the full PF. And I doubt that things would work out exactly the same the second time around.  

Rachel may have an an echo of the Phoenix 

The Phoenix echo didn't become apart of Rachel until Uncanny X-Men #479. But she fought Emma in Uncanny X-Men #452.

@Son Of Storm said:

@lord_oraculous016 said:

@Morgaine_de_Bourbon said:

@BMEZY: Can't see the image, but I'm pretty sure I know what fight you're referring to. IIRC all Rachel had there was an echo, not the full PF. And I doubt that things would work out exactly the same the second time around.  

Rachel may have an an echo of the Phoenix 

The Phoenix echo didn't become apart of Rachel until Uncanny X-Men #479. But she fought Emma in Uncanny X-Men #452.

oh you mean when he took a phoenix sliver from Korvus' Phoenix Blade during RAFOTSE.. yes, that's true.. 

Indeed.

@Son Of Storm said: 

Indeed.

also, from what i remember, the Phoenix leaves a sliver of its power to everyone that it touches.. remember Jean grey recalling that power was enough to destroy the hand of the Celestial Arishem the Judge? also, even if its canonicity is questionable, i remember Amber Hunt's power increasing from her regular levels even after the PF left her.. iirc.. 

I always thought that little "shard" thing was either strictly for Jean or CIS. Because if that's the case where is Emma's shard? Or Xavier's (IIRC he once had possession of it.).

@Son Of Storm said: 

I always thought that little "shard" thing was either strictly for Jean or CIS. Because if that's the case where is Emma's shard? Or Xavier's (IIRC he once had possession of it.).

true.. it may only be applicable to Jean.. anyways, Jean is the very reason why the PF chose Rachel in the first place.. because Rachel is her daughter, she possess the same genetic make-up as Jean.. :P