Miss Martian, Saturn Girl vs Jean, Ms Marvel

                                                                     VS

• No prep
• Teams have info on opponents powers and abilities 
• In character
• No Phoenix
• Staring 50 feet away

DC wins, Ms. Marvel has no TP where as the DC girls both do, saturn girl to a lesser extent, Jean cannot take both on at the same time

DC wins, Ms. Marvel has no TP where as the DC girls both do, saturn girl to a lesser extent, Jean cannot take both on at the same time

DC. Jean can not take blows and she won't be able to shut down the gals' mind quickly enough to avoid it

Miss Martian can probably solo.

@YoggSaron: Mentally, no, physically Maybe

@cattlebattle said:

@crackerjack82 said:

DC wins, Ms. Marvel has no TP where as the DC girls both do, saturn girl to a lesser extent, Jean cannot take both on at the same time

Isn't Ms Marvel resistant anyway

Only if she knows you are using it

@crackerjack82 said:

DC wins, Ms. Marvel has no TP where as the DC girls both do, saturn girl to a lesser extent, Jean cannot take both on at the same time

@crackerjack82: Well she doesn't really need to mind rape them, just protect her own mind so she can get the job done physically. I'm not the biggest Jean Grey expert so I don't know the full extent of her telekinesis, but Miss Martian is Supergirl level so Ms. Marvel stands no chance against her physically.

@YoggSaron said:

@crackerjack82: Well she doesn't really need to mind rape them, just protect her own mind so she can get the job done physically. I'm not the biggest Jean Grey expert so I don't know the full extent of her telekinesis, but Miss Marvel is Supergirl level so Ms. Marvel stands no chance against her physically.

i think you meant miss martian, but yeah, if jean can get MM, in a psychic fight, while Ms Marvel, becomes a punching back , jean may be able to get in dark places , the thing with carol is she can absorb energies, and increase her durability, combined with her extra senses, would allow her to dodge for a bit, and dont say MM is FTL, very very very few DC fight at those speeds

leaning towards team 1...jean would need to protect ms marvels mind and fend off saturngirl and mm..

Ms. Marvel speed blitz then Jean helps while providing psychic shielding to Carol.

I'm gonna take this for more experience or more feats provided which Jean has in telepathy. :/

Miss Martian FTW!!!

I think a pretty strong argument can be made for Saturn Girl being a stronger TP than Jean with/out Phoenix Force. I think this is the DC teams fight to lose.

Jean grey is one of, if the not the most powerful telepathys/telekenetics, she is gonna put up fight, and Ms.Marvel is one of Marvels heavy hitters, maybe not at hulk levels, but come on. I give this to marvel not an easy win but a win none the less

@Scarbearer said:

I think a pretty strong argument can be made for Saturn Girl being a stronger TP than Jean with/out Phoenix Force. I think this is the DC teams fight to lose.

It depends on which Saturn Girl your talking about, there's like three different ones.

if this is adult saturn girl. jean has a fight on her hands. but i am leaning towards dc because of miss martian's physical stats. and i don't think ms. marvel is going to match up physically. i don't think carol can go toe to toe with supergirl and miss martian did.