In a test of Bobby's might, we have him battle one of the greatest Rogue's ever.....Mirror Master! Can Iceman match his foe's wide range of tactics with his own? Or will Evan cover the windows of his hotel room with decorated Drake's!? (get it? Drake's instead of drapes?! lol...yeah, that was bad...)
ok, that was my best shot at suspense and horror at this point of the day. Two different fights here: First battle begins 200yds apart, just outside of a funhouse hall of mirrors in Sweden during a blizzard. Normal ethics, morals apply.
Second battle 200yds apart, inside of an actual mirror factory, currently producing said mirrors. Iceman has realized his Omega potential and is highly upset at being thrust into such an event... Victory by death, complete atomization, err...and forfeit...
Mirror Master vs Iceman
"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "
He could do this even if Bobby has realized his whole Omega level potential and everything? Would it matter if Bobby made himself look more like he did in his first few appearances, more like a snowman than ice (less reflections would cut down what MM could do directly to his body?)?
"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "
Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight.
" @Strafe Prower: Not in Iceman's character. Plus why would he do that when he knows nothing about Mirror Master in general? "
That is very in character for Bobby and now that he isn't held back by a leader, he will do it without hesitation. He has done worse to people while in character.
Iceman is out of character in the secon fight anyway
" @CosmicSpiral said:Which is why Iceman will win the second fight." @Strafe Prower: Not in Iceman's character. Plus why would he do that when he knows nothing about Mirror Master in general? "That is very in character for Bobby and now that he isn't held back by a leader, he will do it without hesitation. He has done worse to people while in character. Iceman is out of character in the secon fight anyway "
For the first fight, I don't know how Mirror Master transmutes people and if he's done his transportation through things like ice.
"@CosmicSpiral said:" @Strafe Prower: Not in Iceman's character. Plus why would he do that when he knows nothing about Mirror Master in general? "That is very in character for Bobby and now that he isn't held back by a leader, he will do it without hesitation. He has done worse to people while in character. Iceman is out of character in the secon fight anyway "
It's not in Bobby's character to instantly try to kill an enemy he knows absolutely nothing about, whether he is going solo or not.
"@Strafe Prower said:"@CosmicSpiral said:It's not in Bobby's character to instantly try to kill an enemy he knows absolutely nothing about, whether he is going solo or not. "" @Strafe Prower: Not in Iceman's character. Plus why would he do that when he knows nothing about Mirror Master in general? "That is very in character for Bobby and now that he isn't held back by a leader, he will do it without hesitation. He has done worse to people while in character. Iceman is out of character in the secon fight anyway "
Flash freezing isn't killing and Bobby has done this many times. He has done much worse in character as well. I don't see him having a problem doing it here.
@Strafe Prower said:
"@Zoom said:"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight. "
Because they don't start next to each other and they're in a blizzard outside a house of mirrors. Given that McCulloch is faster than Drake, he's gonna be gone before Bobby knows whats happening.
"@Strafe Prower said:
"@Zoom said:"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight. "Because they don't start next to each other and they're in a blizzard outside a house of mirrors. Given that McCulloch is faster than Drake, he's gonna be gone before Bobby knows whats happening.
"
Bobby can Flash Freeze him from this distance and the blizzard makes it that much more of an advantage for Bobby. Does MM have superspeed? If not that won't happen. Or he just freezes the whole House of Mirrors and just win that way.
" @Zoom said:Why would he do that when he doesn't know what MM can do? Grasping at straws..."Bobby can Flash Freeze him from this distance and the blizzard makes it that much more of an advantage for Bobby. Does MM have superspeed? If not that won't happen. Or he just freezes the whole House of Mirrors and just win that way. "@Strafe Prower said:
"@Zoom said:"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight. "Because they don't start next to each other and they're in a blizzard outside a house of mirrors. Given that McCulloch is faster than Drake, he's gonna be gone before Bobby knows whats happening.
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" @Strafe Prower said:" @Zoom said:Why would he do that when he doesn't know what MM can do? Grasping at straws... ""Bobby can Flash Freeze him from this distance and the blizzard makes it that much more of an advantage for Bobby. Does MM have superspeed? If not that won't happen. Or he just freezes the whole House of Mirrors and just win that way. "@Strafe Prower said:
"@Zoom said:"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight. "Because they don't start next to each other and they're in a blizzard outside a house of mirrors. Given that McCulloch is faster than Drake, he's gonna be gone before Bobby knows whats happening.
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Why wouldn't he? It's safe and Bobby is smart enough to figure it out when He see's his powers or hears his name.
" @CosmicSpiral said:When is he going to hear his name in a random encounter? Frankly, MM doesn't even look like a threat in that cheesy outfit. And MM's not going to simply teleport until Iceman figures out his game." @Strafe Prower said:Why wouldn't he? It's safe and Bobby is smart enough to figure it out when He see's his powers or hears his name. "" @Zoom said:Why would he do that when he doesn't know what MM can do? Grasping at straws... ""Bobby can Flash Freeze him from this distance and the blizzard makes it that much more of an advantage for Bobby. Does MM have superspeed? If not that won't happen. Or he just freezes the whole House of Mirrors and just win that way. "@Strafe Prower said:
"@Zoom said:"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight. "Because they don't start next to each other and they're in a blizzard outside a house of mirrors. Given that McCulloch is faster than Drake, he's gonna be gone before Bobby knows whats happening.
"
" @Strafe Prower said:" @CosmicSpiral said:When is he going to hear his name in a random encounter? Frankly, MM doesn't even look like a threat in that cheesy outfit. And MM's not going to simply teleport until Iceman figures out his game. "" @Strafe Prower said:Why wouldn't he? It's safe and Bobby is smart enough to figure it out when He see's his powers or hears his name. "" @Zoom said:Why would he do that when he doesn't know what MM can do? Grasping at straws... ""Bobby can Flash Freeze him from this distance and the blizzard makes it that much more of an advantage for Bobby. Does MM have superspeed? If not that won't happen. Or he just freezes the whole House of Mirrors and just win that way. "@Strafe Prower said:
"@Zoom said:"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight. "Because they don't start next to each other and they're in a blizzard outside a house of mirrors. Given that McCulloch is faster than Drake, he's gonna be gone before Bobby knows whats happening.
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He could say it if Bobby simpily asked or made a joke on the costume. It wouldn't be hard. Also, It would only take one time for bobby to see that he uses mirrors and that they are beside a house of mirriors. It would be stupid for Bobby not too freeze the mirrors.
"@Zoom said:A frozen house of mirrors works just as well as a non frozen house of mirrors for McCulloch."Bobby can Flash Freeze him from this distance and the blizzard makes it that much more of an advantage for Bobby. Does MM have superspeed? If not that won't happen. Or he just freezes the whole House of Mirrors and just win that way. "@Strafe Prower said:
"@Zoom said:"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight. "Because they don't start next to each other and they're in a blizzard outside a house of mirrors. Given that McCulloch is faster than Drake, he's gonna be gone before Bobby knows whats happening.
"
How does the blizzard help Iceman? It cuts down on visability, which is a strong advantage for a guy who is a master of illusions to begin with.
"@Strafe Prower said:"@Zoom said:A frozen house of mirrors works just as well as a non frozen house of mirrors for McCulloch. How does the blizzard help Iceman? It cuts down on visability, which is a strong advantage for a guy who is a master of illusions to begin with. ""Bobby can Flash Freeze him from this distance and the blizzard makes it that much more of an advantage for Bobby. Does MM have superspeed? If not that won't happen. Or he just freezes the whole House of Mirrors and just win that way. "@Strafe Prower said:
"@Zoom said:"Mirror Master via transmutation or dumping Bobby into another dimension. "Explain why he isn't flash frozen at the begining of the fight. "Because they don't start next to each other and they're in a blizzard outside a house of mirrors. Given that McCulloch is faster than Drake, he's gonna be gone before Bobby knows whats happening.
"
He can turn all that Snow into water and drown MM.
@Strafe Prower: We can't rely on specific instances because frankly it's impossible to tell if that will ever happen. It's like saying Mirror Master loses because he trips on a rock.
No, it's not the same. Bobby could do everything I have said in character and would do it IMO.
I forgot how awesome that scan is.
Would that work while Bobby is gas? I'm thinking not, but I'm not to sure.
"@Zoom: I forgot how awesome that scan is. Would that work while Bobby is gas? I'm thinking not, but I'm not to sure. "
Probably not.
Can Bobby turn to gas at will? I've only seen him do it after his body has been destroyed.
Mirror Master also has mind control and shrinking devices. Guy's ridiculous powerful.
About the flash freezing tactic, I would normally hold it to the same standard and Superman blitzing at the beginning of a fight. But, the problem is, I've seen Superman use his blitz on an enemy he's unfamiliar with; I've never seen Iceman flash freeze an enemy he didn't know about at the start. Has anyone else?
Iceman wins here
Mirror master will never teleport bobby to the mirror world since bobby is on every single molecule on earth...the only way he could BFR him is if he teleport the whole planet lol good luck doing that....
Bobby will flash freeze instanly once mirror master thinks he won lol
@icecold14: No, Iceman is not part of every molecule on earth or else 99% of his comics would contradict this. Even after, nothing shows to prove this.
Mirror Master will always be in his mirror dimension, so how is Iceman going to freeze him?
@icecold14: Would Bobby's powers even work in Evan's dimension?
Nothing in the OP says they have to fight in the Earth realm. And last I checked, Bobby can't cross-dimensionally freeze someone.
All that's hypothetical, I suppose. Odds are Evan could get clumsy and get himself in trouble before he realizes who he's fighting.
@shadovvlite: Dont be ignorant almost everyone knows that bobbys on every single molecule on earth as it was explained in (astonishing x men vol.3 #62-65 ) if you dont want to believe it than dont I aint making you...
@mightyrearranger: Why would the fight start in the mirror world?? So he can have a chance to win?? But aside from that bobby cant be BFR since you would have to teleport the whole planet
@icecold14: And whose everyone exactly? Last time I checked, most would agree it's hyperbole. We have been over this already. Iceman is only wary when it is frozen and not every molecule. Show me one instance where he was able to perform his power without anything frozen related. You may say, Iceman is called Iceman for a reason, but that is not a very good reason at all. If he hasn't shown it or even come close to it, he isn't able to do it.
@icecold14: Lol, sorry. I meant Evan would likely enter the Mirror realm asap. He's done it before Wally can act against him before and it's the most intelligent way he can work in a random encounter, since he can more or less observe his opponent through every reflective surface around, without fear of being harmed.
Thing that confuses me is, if Bobby's reflection in the Mirror-verse can be harmed, turned to glass, etc... it would affect his irl counterpart, but he also can't normally be harmed that way.
Keep in mind, Evan can also make a real duplicate of Iceman and use it against him. Not that it would do much more than stalemate him, haha.
@shadovvlite: Dude really?? Hyperbole?? I explained that bobby freezes a certain area once he makes himself present so no your wrong....for example when he appeared to mystique while she was bathing he took the shape of the mist around her and then the bath water froze because he made himself present but as you see he was already there without any ice around..... at the same time he was attacking the city and with a bunch of his ex gf plus we cant forget his parents
@mightyrearranger: I mean if flash went all out MM wouldnt exist right now....
Mirror master can teleport the body of iceman but remember since bobbys consciouss is everywhere in the planet at once he will never exactly send him anywhere
I see this fight ending with stalemate or bobby winning since like you said MM wont know what hit him
@icecold14: Sadly, my Nook won't give me the option to post images. But Evan doesn't always need to teleport another person. He has murdered the Mirror-verse reflections of people before, killing them in real life as well. Has Bobby been transmuted? I'd imagine he doesn't have a problem with that, right? But Evan could keep doing it.
Also, almost anyone could be dead if Wally didn't hold back. Still, fighting Wally when he does and successfully evading him shows incredible combat/reaction speed.
@mightyrearranger: But the problem is that bobby is a being of pure consciouss that spreads across every single water molecule on earth honestly MM will never get an exact reflection of bobby and will just waste his time doing so
@icecold14: What does any of those have to do with molecules? All you are stating is that Iceman has very powerful cryokinesis. You do realize what a molecule is right? All he has shown has nothing to do with it's raw state, but in his own element. I will say this again. Show me a scan where iceman is a part of EVERY molecule on earth.
@icecold14: If that's what could happen, I would imagine Mirror Master would get very tire, very quickly, and he'd eventually just go kill and rob whatever tool hired him to kill Bobby in the first place, haha.
@mightyrearranger: Lol pretty much
@shadovvlite: first have you not read the comic where bobby goes all crazy?? You will get your answer there and obviously I know what a molecule lol
@HellionVulcan: come with this guy lol
@icecold14: Yes I have and never saw Iceman possess EVERY SINGLE molecule on earth. If you want to prove me wrong, post a scan of Iceman being a part of "every" molecule on earth.
@shadovvlite: He says it himself that he could but obviously he wont do it because he was real busy with everyone else dont you think?? And im calling @HellionVulcan: because he has the scans wait
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