Mirror Master vs Abra Kadabra

Two of the Flash's most powerful rogues go head to head.

Mirror Master is McCulloch.

Standard equipment.

Both bloodlusted.

Fight takes place in Times Square.

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Abra Kadabra.

Why?

Going with Abra

Abra

McCulloch

Abra

Kadabra

@cmyers1980: kadabra god stomp

what makes you say that

Evan is just as fast as Abra Kadabra and could send him to a dimension where time runs backwards, kills or transmutates him and he can actually create mirror clones of Abra Kadabra with the exact same power as he has... He wins.

McCulloch

Abra turns him into a toy mirror.

Abra Kadabara.

The master beats the magician I think

@nefarious: you believe Abra could do this before Evan jumps into a mirror verse? Something hes done with Wally running at him, same as Abra Kadabra..

Even has abilities that could send Abra Kadabra to a mirror demension where time runs backwards, without him even knowing. Then simply smash the mirror and destroy the entire dimension.

He could create clones of Abra Kadabra to undo whatever is done to himself..

I believe these 2 to be the Flashes most powerful foes; well tied with the Shade.

Thoughts?

I think it depends on who hits who first. It could go either way.

@nefarious: I can agree with that

I wonder if Professor Zoom can beat both in a fight.

@nefarious: assuming they have prep I think they could easily, even if it's a 2 second head start. Or if Evan starts in the Mirrorverse, he can do a lot to Thawne while Thawne can't touch him.

I can see that happening. So, they can not win without prep but have some knowledge already?

@nefarious: Depends but yes they can win. Thawne would time travel and win easily

Although they could win against Eobard, I don't think they could against Hunter.

I see. Zoom is too powerful for any Flash enemy.

@nefarious: agreed

Heck, there are no speedsters out there that can stomp him. So haxed.

@nefarious: yeah Hunter Zolomon and the Runner with the space gem are the 2 fastest characters I know of.

How about the Silver Surfer?

@nefarious: the next fastest would be Wally West and then a pretty significant drop off.

Wow, SS is far down in the speed chain.

@supermanwithatan01: isn't wally much faster than surfer and runner combat speed wise?

@kbroskywalker: yes to Silver Surfer, no to Runner with the space gem. Without it Wally obliterates him

@nefarious: he has potential but I wouldn't put him above any of the Flashes pre-New 52.

@supermanwithatan01: new 52 barry is the same as pre 52 barry

@kbroskywalker: no, he's not. He's quite a bit slower.

wouldnt making clones of abra make things worse for mirror master ? why would clones of abra want to help mirror master? that would be like fabian cortez making someone stronger so they can do more harm or throwing superman into the sun

@supermanwithatan01:new 52 barry can on INSTINCT REACT in a femto second. Now barry pre 52 could PERCIEVE the world in atto seconds. While a atto second is 1000x smaller than a femto second, they're a couple of factors to consider:

a. perceive=/ react, I'm not sure what the difference between a normal human's reaction speed and perception speed is, but it should be significant.

b. barry did this on instinct. Of barry was not caught off guard, he'd likely be able to go much faster

c. pre flashpoint barry is the same as post flashpoint barry as bary himself was not retconned in flashpoint IIRC. unles pre 5 barry has better REACTION feats, this situation isn't the same as say pre crisis and post crisis darkseid

@kbroskywalker: we've had this talk before, if you believe New 52 Barry is as fast as pre New 52 then I can't help you anymore.

@pastepotpete1: they're duplicates he controls.

@supermanwithatan01: we never discussed barry v barry, who per events in flashpoint are the same.

What are barry's best reaction feats from pre 52

@kbroskywalker: he has an attosecond feat. Nothing close to Wally, but still much faster than femtosecond

@supermanwithatan01: atto second PERCEPTION, does he have atto second REACTION?

@kbroskywalker: idk what you're attempting to debate but if you like you can bump the Wally West vs Barry Allen (coie) and Professor Zoom thread.. I'll be happy to argue there. Not waste thread space here.