#1 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Perhaps the three most well known worlds of miedeval fantasy. The first two being hardly explored whatsoever. And Oerth being extremely so, as only the very most eastern part of it's largest continent Oerik has been explored and detailed much at all. If you don't know Oerth then Look up Oerth on the Greyhawk wik. http://www.canonfire.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page

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Now that you know the worlds, here is the challenge. By a fluke done when the Wizard Gandalf, The archmage Mordenkainen, and Several azerothian mages casted a very powerful spell. Have forcibly combined these worlds. Now they war for territory.

Rules, Sauron and similarly disembodied or killed beings still exist in physical form. Everything goes. And this is not merely a war of the three worlds, it is a war of their respective universes and cosmologies. Can the legions of the Wicked Dragon Goddess Tiamat take down the fort at mt.doom? Can Isenguard defeat the mighty city state of the Free city of greyhawk? Is northrend a match for Angmar?

Those are questions I had a debate with my friends with, now I want to see what you people think.

Oh and here's one last question, Who has better Mastery over the Undead, Orcus the Demon Prince of the Undead or Arthas the Lich king?

These are just base questions, you people can expand on it here
Post Edited:2008-05-25 14:26:00

#2 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

If Mordor, Gondor (First Age-Second Age, still having ties to Numenor), Rohan, Angmar, Angband, Isengard, Lothlorien, and the still-Dwarven stronghold of Khazad-dum all worked together, then that would just be overwhelming to everyone else. Added to that, if Galadriel, Sauron, and Morgoth somehow found ways of negotiating peace and making a friendly bond...I'm rambling again aren't I?

#3 Posted by Iron MK II (203 posts) - - Show Bio

middle earth, basically everyone on it is i fighter of some sort and it has a living god, the list of enchanted beings is limitless

#4 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron MK II says:

"middle earth, basically everyone on it is i fighter of some sort and it has a living god, the list of enchanted beings is limitless"

Ah but does Oerth have the dreaded and proven to be utterly impossible to deal any lethal damage to whatsoever Tarasque? While it is pretty much a D&D Godzilla, without atomic rays shooting out of his mouth, and will kill anyone he sees, Azerothian, Oerthian, and Middle earth....You know what I'll just call it Metaterran because That means middle earth basically.

#5 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

The lists of units, heroes, etc. is WAY too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other.

#6 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."

So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat?

#7 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "

Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?

#8 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "
Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?"
They're going to need all they can get against a army of millions *think the size of mordor's armies but with some individual power* of dragonspawn, dragons, abishai *devilish dragonspawn, quite weak though* and half dragons. Though the bulk of them are inheretly chaotic and are easily demoralized *white hordelings are pathetic, can be beaten by your average level 1 fighter, warriors are less skilled then fighters, warriors being a normal trooper, a fighter being a elite* And plus, They held their ground against the orcs. But these foes have nasty breath *especially the green ones, acidic gas,*"

Going to have to go with the Gondorians if they are still Numenor-ish, since they laid siege to Angband, the greatest fortress of Morgoth btw. If they're in a far weaker state like in the books, the DEFINATELY the Dragonspawn Horde.

#9 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "

Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?"

They're going to need all they can get against a army of millions think the size of mordor's armies but with some individual power of dragonspawn, dragons, abishai devilish dragonspawn, quite weak though and half dragons. Though the bulk of them are inheretly chaotic and are easily demoralized white hordelings are pathetic, can be beaten by your average level 1 fighter, warriors are less skilled then fighters, warriors being a normal trooper, a fighter being a elite And plus, They held their ground against the orcs. But these foes have nasty breath especially the green ones, acidic gas,

#10 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "
Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?"
They're going to need all they can get against a army of millions *think the size of mordor's armies but with some individual power* of dragonspawn, dragons, abishai *devilish dragonspawn, quite weak though* and half dragons. Though the bulk of them are inheretly chaotic and are easily demoralized *white hordelings are pathetic, can be beaten by your average level 1 fighter, warriors are less skilled then fighters, warriors being a normal trooper, a fighter being a elite* And plus, They held their ground against the orcs. But these foes have nasty breath *especially the green ones, acidic gas,*"
Going to have to go with the Gondorians if they are still Numenor-ish, since they laid siege to Angband, the greatest fortress of Morgoth btw. If they're in a far weaker state like in the books, the ***DEFINATELY*** the Dragonspawn Horde."
How many could gandalf take? "

More than the Gondorians. A LOT more. Except for Boromir/Faramir. If they were both in this, they would kick major @$$. Brothers of Destruction, lol.

#11 Posted by Dread Knight (121 posts) - - Show Bio

Gotta go with Oerth, the Circle of Eight will destroy!

#12 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "
Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?"
They're going to need all they can get against a army of millions *think the size of mordor's armies but with some individual power* of dragonspawn, dragons, abishai *devilish dragonspawn, quite weak though* and half dragons. Though the bulk of them are inheretly chaotic and are easily demoralized *white hordelings are pathetic, can be beaten by your average level 1 fighter, warriors are less skilled then fighters, warriors being a normal trooper, a fighter being a elite* And plus, They held their ground against the orcs. But these foes have nasty breath *especially the green ones, acidic gas,*"

Going to have to go with the Gondorians if they are still Numenor-ish, since they laid siege to Angband, the greatest fortress of Morgoth btw. If they're in a far weaker state like in the books, the DEFINATELY the Dragonspawn Horde."

How many could gandalf take?

#13 Posted by Iron MK II (203 posts) - - Show Bio

sauron, balrog, mouth of sauron, which king, trolls, worg riders, rip through all worlds.

#14 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "
Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?"
They're going to need all they can get against a army of millions *think the size of mordor's armies but with some individual power* of dragonspawn, dragons, abishai *devilish dragonspawn, quite weak though* and half dragons. Though the bulk of them are inheretly chaotic and are easily demoralized *white hordelings are pathetic, can be beaten by your average level 1 fighter, warriors are less skilled then fighters, warriors being a normal trooper, a fighter being a elite* And plus, They held their ground against the orcs. But these foes have nasty breath *especially the green ones, acidic gas,*"
Going to have to go with the Gondorians if they are still Numenor-ish, since they laid siege to Angband, the greatest fortress of Morgoth btw. If they're in a far weaker state like in the books, the ***DEFINATELY*** the Dragonspawn Horde."
How many could gandalf take? "

More than the Gondorians. A LOT more. Except for Boromir/Faramir. If they were both in this, they would kick major @$$. Brothers of Destruction, lol."

Lets just hope Tiamat doesn't bother to show up. Though she's like Sauron, she prefers to work behind the scenes but when she comes up, only a major stroke of luck can defeat her. She would probably send an avatar which would be something on witch king level or the likes. She has five heads, one for each type of chromatic dragon. Black, Blue, Green, Red, white. Black and green breathe acid. Blue breathes lightning and red Breathes well, fire.

But she is consumed by greed. Throw a coin and she'll jump after it. Even if it's to the sun.

Though She'll probably be taken out Smaug or Sauron style.

Now for the armies of the scourge vs mordor vs the mindless yet acidic to the touch armies of the Demon lord of oozes Juiblex perhaps the most memorable demon lord, if stuck with the worst thing to patronize

#15 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron MK II says:

"sauron, balrog, mouth of sauron, which king, trolls, worg riders, rip through all worlds."

You're forgetting much more powerful evils, my friend. Gothmog the Balrog, Morgoth - Sauron's master, among others. Tolkien didn't end it with the Lord of the Rings, there's a deeper world under the surface, trapped under ice. It's called the Silmarillion, buy it now! :D
Post Edited:2008-05-25 00:37:44

#16 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Iron MK II says:

"sauron, balrog, mouth of sauron, which king, trolls, worg riders, rip through all worlds."

Only to be met with Dragons d&D dragons are god like, trolls again! but they don't petrify due to sunlight, and they regenerate, fire burns them good though, Demons, Devils, more kobolds and goblins then god, kobolds are reptillian humanoids about the size of hobbits/halflings and goblins, they ride dire weasels, goblins ride guess what? Whorgs, worgs but with an H

#17 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Sauron will be too busy kicking the scourge's @$$ like he is in my avatar. And gaining levels like crazy. one level every 13 kills. By the time he's done, Violla a level 500,000,000 sauron. Run in fear.

#18 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "
Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?"
They're going to need all they can get against a army of millions *think the size of mordor's armies but with some individual power* of dragonspawn, dragons, abishai *devilish dragonspawn, quite weak though* and half dragons. Though the bulk of them are inheretly chaotic and are easily demoralized *white hordelings are pathetic, can be beaten by your average level 1 fighter, warriors are less skilled then fighters, warriors being a normal trooper, a fighter being a elite* And plus, They held their ground against the orcs. But these foes have nasty breath *especially the green ones, acidic gas,*"
Going to have to go with the Gondorians if they are still Numenor-ish, since they laid siege to Angband, the greatest fortress of Morgoth btw. If they're in a far weaker state like in the books, the ***DEFINATELY*** the Dragonspawn Horde."
How many could gandalf take? "
More than the Gondorians. A LOT more. Except for Boromir/Faramir. If they were both in this, they would kick major @$$. Brothers of Destruction, lol."
Lets just hope Tiamat doesn't bother to show up. Though she's like Sauron, she prefers to work behind the scenes but when she comes up, only a major stroke of luck can defeat her. She would probably send an avatar which would be something on witch king level or the likes. She has five heads, one for each type of chromatic dragon. Black, Blue, Green, Red, white. Black and green breathe acid. Blue breathes lightning and red Breathes well, fire. But she is consumed by greed. Throw a coin and she'll jump after it. Even if it's to the sun. Though She'll probably be taken out Smaug or Sauron style. Now for the armies of the scourge vs mordor vs the mindless yet acidic to the touch armies of the Demon lord of oozes Juiblex *perhaps the most memorable demon lord, if stuck with the worst thing to patronize* "

Through trial and error, mainly crushing and smashing, Mordor would win after using Mumakil and trolls. Orcs might come in early in the fight to harry them and break down the forces into more compressed legions, but ultimately the forces of the Eye win."

The slimes of juiblex though mindless burn everything that isn't rock or dirt or the like to the ground. Most just melt flesh away. Some melt flesh and metal. None burn stone. SO catapults away. Plus they are mindless, and they can't sense you past 60 feet, not a good range in open ground.

#19 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Sauron will be too busy kicking the scourge's @$$ like he is in my avatar. And gaining levels like crazy. one level every 13 kills. By the time he's done, Violla a level 500,000,000 sauron. Run in fear. "

Good God, that's terrible. For whoever's in his way. If Sauron's that leveled up, then Morgoth, his master, would be at least three times that."

and that's 500,000,000 hit dice. assuming he's a cleric allows both spells and combat that would equal 4,000,000,000 hit points. Hit or miss, he doesn't honestly give a crap.
Post Edited:2008-05-25 00:38:56

#20 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "
Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?"
They're going to need all they can get against a army of millions *think the size of mordor's armies but with some individual power* of dragonspawn, dragons, abishai *devilish dragonspawn, quite weak though* and half dragons. Though the bulk of them are inheretly chaotic and are easily demoralized *white hordelings are pathetic, can be beaten by your average level 1 fighter, warriors are less skilled then fighters, warriors being a normal trooper, a fighter being a elite* And plus, They held their ground against the orcs. But these foes have nasty breath *especially the green ones, acidic gas,*"
Going to have to go with the Gondorians if they are still Numenor-ish, since they laid siege to Angband, the greatest fortress of Morgoth btw. If they're in a far weaker state like in the books, the ***DEFINATELY*** the Dragonspawn Horde."
How many could gandalf take? "
More than the Gondorians. A LOT more. Except for Boromir/Faramir. If they were both in this, they would kick major @$$. Brothers of Destruction, lol."
Lets just hope Tiamat doesn't bother to show up. Though she's like Sauron, she prefers to work behind the scenes but when she comes up, only a major stroke of luck can defeat her. She would probably send an avatar which would be something on witch king level or the likes. She has five heads, one for each type of chromatic dragon. Black, Blue, Green, Red, white. Black and green breathe acid. Blue breathes lightning and red Breathes well, fire. But she is consumed by greed. Throw a coin and she'll jump after it. Even if it's to the sun. Though She'll probably be taken out Smaug or Sauron style. Now for the armies of the scourge vs mordor vs the mindless yet acidic to the touch armies of the Demon lord of oozes Juiblex *perhaps the most memorable demon lord, if stuck with the worst thing to patronize* "

Through trial and error, mainly crushing and smashing, Mordor would win after using Mumakil and trolls. Orcs might come in early in the fight to harry them and break down the forces into more compressed legions, but ultimately the forces of the Eye win.

#21 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Even if Juiblex himself comes out, he's only immune to bludgeoning damage which makes sense, since when does punching a huge blob of jell-o do anything? and cold iron holy weapons deal him full harm, but damage reduction cannot negate all damage. So by virtue of sheer amount of arrows, the demon lord dies. And the oozes having lost the will that controls them, stop acting coordinately and just return to normal predatory instincts.

#22 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Sauron will be too busy kicking the scourge's @$$ like he is in my avatar. And gaining levels like crazy. one level every 13 kills. By the time he's done, Violla a level 500,000,000 sauron. Run in fear. "

Good God, that's terrible. For whoever's in his way. If Sauron's that leveled up, then Morgoth, his master, would be at least three times that.

#23 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"The lists of units, heroes, etc. is ***WAY*** too long. It'll end up being that this new world is just going to be destroyed by the petty wars its inhabitants plague on each other."
So how about Gondor vs the Dragonspawn of Tiamat? "
Gondor while they still have ties to Numenor? Or Gondor like in the time-period the books/movies take place in?"
They're going to need all they can get against a army of millions *think the size of mordor's armies but with some individual power* of dragonspawn, dragons, abishai *devilish dragonspawn, quite weak though* and half dragons. Though the bulk of them are inheretly chaotic and are easily demoralized *white hordelings are pathetic, can be beaten by your average level 1 fighter, warriors are less skilled then fighters, warriors being a normal trooper, a fighter being a elite* And plus, They held their ground against the orcs. But these foes have nasty breath *especially the green ones, acidic gas,*"
Going to have to go with the Gondorians if they are still Numenor-ish, since they laid siege to Angband, the greatest fortress of Morgoth btw. If they're in a far weaker state like in the books, the ***DEFINATELY*** the Dragonspawn Horde."
How many could gandalf take? "
More than the Gondorians. A LOT more. Except for Boromir/Faramir. If they were both in this, they would kick major @$$. Brothers of Destruction, lol."
Lets just hope Tiamat doesn't bother to show up. Though she's like Sauron, she prefers to work behind the scenes but when she comes up, only a major stroke of luck can defeat her. She would probably send an avatar which would be something on witch king level or the likes. She has five heads, one for each type of chromatic dragon. Black, Blue, Green, Red, white. Black and green breathe acid. Blue breathes lightning and red Breathes well, fire. But she is consumed by greed. Throw a coin and she'll jump after it. Even if it's to the sun. Though She'll probably be taken out Smaug or Sauron style. Now for the armies of the scourge vs mordor vs the mindless yet acidic to the touch armies of the Demon lord of oozes Juiblex *perhaps the most memorable demon lord, if stuck with the worst thing to patronize* "
Through trial and error, mainly crushing and smashing, Mordor would win after using Mumakil and trolls. Orcs *might* come in early in the fight to harry them and break down the forces into more compressed legions, but ultimately the forces of the Eye win."
The slimes of juiblex though mindless burn everything that isn't rock or dirt or the like to the ground. Most just melt flesh away. Some melt flesh and metal. None burn stone. SO catapults away. Plus they are mindless, and they can't sense you past 60 feet, not a good range in open ground. "

That and stone-tipped arrows, which are a favorite for Mountain-orcs of the Morronnan.

#24 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Mordor, Angmar, Isengard, and the goblins could take on the Kobolds, Goblinoids, Orcs, and various giants in oerth. Even mountain giants 64+ feet tall, 300+ hit points, and can magically summon giants but are quite stupid would be slaughtered by the superior tactics of Sauron's legions. After all only Fire giants, Kobolds, and Hob Goblins are lawful. The rest are neutral to law and chaos or worse chaotic. Azeroth is nearly a non factor.

#25 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Sauron will be too busy kicking the scourge's @$$ like he is in my avatar. And gaining levels like crazy. one level every 13 kills. By the time he's done, Violla a level 500,000,000 sauron. Run in fear. "
Good God, that's terrible. For whoever's in his way. If Sauron's *that* leveled up, then Morgoth, his master, would be *at least* three times that."
and that's 500,000,000 hit dice. assuming he's a cleric *allows both spells and combat* that would equal 40,000,000 hit points. Hit or miss, he doesn't honestly give a crap. "

I wouldn't either.

#26 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"I think Mordor, Angmar, Isengard, and the goblins could take on the Kobolds, Goblinoids, Orcs, and various giants in oerth. Even mountain giants *64+ feet tall, 300+ hit points, and can magically summon giants but are quite stupid* would be slaughtered by the superior tactics of Sauron's legions. After all only Fire giants, Kobolds, and Hob Goblins are lawful. The rest are neutral to law and chaos or worse chaotic. Azeroth is nearly a non factor. "

And if you add the Nazgul, Witch-king, Balrogs, werewolves, and the Olog-hai, it's just a curbstomp.

#27 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

I wonder, Ents vs Frost giants.

#28 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Even if Juiblex himself comes out, he's only immune to bludgeoning damage *which makes sense, since when does punching a huge blob of jell-o do anything?* and cold iron holy weapons deal him full harm, but damage reduction cannot negate all damage. So by virtue of sheer amount of arrows, the demon lord dies. And the oozes having lost the will that controls them, stop acting coordinately and just return to normal predatory instincts. "

And so the true slaughter begins.

#29 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"I think Mordor, Angmar, Isengard, and the goblins could take on the Kobolds, Goblinoids, Orcs, and various giants in oerth. Even mountain giants *64+ feet tall, 300+ hit points, and can magically summon giants but are quite stupid* would be slaughtered by the superior tactics of Sauron's legions. After all only Fire giants, Kobolds, and Hob Goblins are lawful. The rest are neutral to law and chaos or worse chaotic. Azeroth is nearly a non factor. "

And if you add the Nazgul, Witch-king, Balrogs, werewolves, and the Olog-hai, it's just a curbstomp."

All the Savage races have for them is the superior amount of spell casters. But They are mainly adepts weak spell casters or low level sorcerers. No match for the superior magic of the wraiths. And the wraiths could corrupt the greedy races. Especially Kobolds as they are descendants of dragons, thus have a very strong lust for wealth, especially magical wealth. So the wraiths could corrupt the kobolds and Hob goblins and such thus swelling sauron's armies.

#30 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler.

#31 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"I wonder, Ents vs Frost giants. "

Frost giants. Ents = humanoid trees.

#32 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"I think Mordor, Angmar, Isengard, and the goblins could take on the Kobolds, Goblinoids, Orcs, and various giants in oerth. Even mountain giants *64+ feet tall, 300+ hit points, and can magically summon giants but are quite stupid* would be slaughtered by the superior tactics of Sauron's legions. After all only Fire giants, Kobolds, and Hob Goblins are lawful. The rest are neutral to law and chaos or worse chaotic. Azeroth is nearly a non factor. "
And if you add the Nazgul, Witch-king, Balrogs, werewolves, and the Olog-hai, it's just a curbstomp."
All the Savage races have for them is the superior amount of spell casters. But They are mainly adepts *weak spell casters* or low level sorcerers. No match for the superior magic of the wraiths. And the wraiths could corrupt the greedy races. Especially Kobolds as they are descendants of dragons, thus have a very strong lust for wealth, especially magical wealth. So the wraiths could corrupt the kobolds and Hob goblins and such thus swelling sauron's armies. "

So we've established Mordor would conquer this new world. What of the opposing forces? Mainly Gondor, Numenor, Elves, Rohan, Dwarves, Ents, etc.

#33 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "

Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?

#34 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "

Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?"

It would be a battle to see. evil humanoids, undead, and demons vs well evil humanoids and giants and some immortals thrown in too. Balors vs Balrogs they are for all purposes identical

#35 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "
Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?"
It would be a battle to see. evil humanoids, undead, and demons vs well evil humanoids and giants and some immortals thrown in too. Balors vs Balrogs *they are for all purposes identical*"

The Wars of Beleriand involved hordes of Orcs, Balrogs, and trolls like the imagination cannot comprehend. Think the host that assailed Minas Tirith multiplied over several times over. Yes, a battle to see, if you could survive the swarms of whatever comes out of the battle sailing through the air.
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#36 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "
Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?"
It would be a battle to see. evil humanoids, undead, and demons vs well evil humanoids and giants and some immortals thrown in too. Balors vs Balrogs *they are for all purposes identical*"
The Wars of Beleriand involved hordes of Orcs, Balrogs, and trolls like the imagination cannot comprehend. Think the host that assailed Minas Tirith multiplied over several times over. Yes, a battle to see, if you could survive the swarms of whatever comes out of the battle sailing through the air.
Post Edited:2008-05-25 01:08:55"
Spells, rocks, and probably a few severed heads *someone's going to run out of ammo* flying through the air. Who's up for a 7 year siege all over again? But bump it up to 700 years. "

Morgoth poured all he could into getting the Silmaril-jewels and used hosts like mentioned above several times over in the battles of the Wars. His greatest though was used during the Battle of Sudden Flame, which he used hundreds of Balrogs in, many more powerful than the one in FOTR. Gothmog, of course, was present and the Elf-host was slaughtered. If Gothmog was present during the siege, it wouldn't last that long if he was in command of the Balrog army at the Battle of Sudden Flame.

#37 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "
Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?"
It would be a battle to see. evil humanoids, undead, and demons vs well evil humanoids and giants and some immortals thrown in too. Balors vs Balrogs *they are for all purposes identical*"

The Wars of Beleriand involved hordes of Orcs, Balrogs, and trolls like the imagination cannot comprehend. Think the host that assailed Minas Tirith multiplied over several times over. Yes, a battle to see, if you could survive the swarms of whatever comes out of the battle sailing through the air.
Post Edited:2008-05-25 01:08:55"

Spells, rocks, and probably a few severed heads someone's going to run out of ammo flying through the air. Who's up for a 7 year siege all over again? But bump it up to 700 years.

#38 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "
Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?"
It would be a battle to see. evil humanoids, undead, and demons vs well evil humanoids and giants and some immortals thrown in too. Balors vs Balrogs *they are for all purposes identical*"
The Wars of Beleriand involved hordes of Orcs, Balrogs, and trolls like the imagination cannot comprehend. Think the host that assailed Minas Tirith multiplied over several times over. Yes, a battle to see, if you could survive the swarms of whatever comes out of the battle sailing through the air.
Post Edited:2008-05-25 01:08:55"
Spells, rocks, and probably a few severed heads *someone's going to run out of ammo* flying through the air. Who's up for a 7 year siege all over again? But bump it up to 700 years. "

Morgoth poured all he could into getting the Silmaril-jewels and used hosts like mentioned above several times over in the battles of the Wars. His greatest though was used during the Battle of Sudden Flame, which he used hundreds of Balrogs in, many more powerful than the one in FOTR. Gothmog, of course, was present and the Elf-host was slaughtered. If Gothmog was present during the siege, it wouldn't last that long if he was in command of the Balrog army at the Battle of Sudden Flame."

the mortals would probably run out, but Iuz could make more however D&D gods must rest a few tens of minutes for every HD of the creature

#39 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

After the Empire of Iuz is crushed. And Sauron storms the castle, I could imagine the dual between Iuz and Sauron. Or Whoever is there at the moment.

#40 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "
Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?"
It would be a battle to see. evil humanoids, undead, and demons vs well evil humanoids and giants and some immortals thrown in too. Balors vs Balrogs *they are for all purposes identical*"
The Wars of Beleriand involved hordes of Orcs, Balrogs, and trolls like the imagination cannot comprehend. Think the host that assailed Minas Tirith multiplied over several times over. Yes, a battle to see, if you could survive the swarms of whatever comes out of the battle sailing through the air.
Post Edited:2008-05-25 01:08:55"
Spells, rocks, and probably a few severed heads *someone's going to run out of ammo* flying through the air. Who's up for a 7 year siege all over again? But bump it up to 700 years. "
Morgoth poured all he could into getting the Silmaril-jewels and used hosts like mentioned above several times over in the battles of the Wars. His greatest though was used during the Battle of Sudden Flame, which he used hundreds of Balrogs in, many more powerful than the one in FOTR. Gothmog, of course, was present and the Elf-host was slaughtered. If Gothmog was present during the siege, it wouldn't last that long if he was in command of the Balrog army at the Battle of Sudden Flame."
the mortals would probably run out, but Iuz could make more *however D&D gods must rest a few tens of minutes for every HD of the creature*"

Iuz mustn't forget about the untold-thousands (possibly millions) of Orcs, trolls, and miscellaneous others that also assail his own armies. Besides, he might get into a fight with Morgoth, who is an Aniur and second only to Oe the One, who is in essence Existence itself, in power.

#41 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "
Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?"
It would be a battle to see. evil humanoids, undead, and demons vs well evil humanoids and giants and some immortals thrown in too. Balors vs Balrogs *they are for all purposes identical*"
The Wars of Beleriand involved hordes of Orcs, Balrogs, and trolls like the imagination cannot comprehend. Think the host that assailed Minas Tirith multiplied over several times over. Yes, a battle to see, if you could survive the swarms of whatever comes out of the battle sailing through the air.
Post Edited:2008-05-25 01:08:55"
Spells, rocks, and probably a few severed heads *someone's going to run out of ammo* flying through the air. Who's up for a 7 year siege all over again? But bump it up to 700 years. "
Morgoth poured all he could into getting the Silmaril-jewels and used hosts like mentioned above several times over in the battles of the Wars. His greatest though was used during the Battle of Sudden Flame, which he used hundreds of Balrogs in, many more powerful than the one in FOTR. Gothmog, of course, was present and the Elf-host was slaughtered. If Gothmog was present during the siege, it wouldn't last that long if he was in command of the Balrog army at the Battle of Sudden Flame."
the mortals would probably run out, but Iuz could make more *however D&D gods must rest a few tens of minutes for every HD of the creature*"

Iuz mustn't forget about the untold-thousands (possibly millions) of Orcs, trolls, and miscellaneous others that also assail his own armies. Besides, he might get into a fight with Morgoth, who is an Aniur and second only to Oe the One, who is in essence Existence itself, in power."

I would say Graz'zt would stop supplying Iuz demons when he senses morgoth. And after the supply of demons runs dry, defeat is inevitable. If I remember right, Vecna who is a full god resides on the prime, maybe oerth, but it's pretty damn well hidden. Fitting for a god of secrets and magic. But morgoth would probably find it and direct sauron over, but assailing a god of secrets is something most people are downright afraid of, your fighting one who isn't just in the shadows, he is the shadows.

#42 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Vecna can use magic on a scale normally not seen in lord of the rings. Coupled with divine power, this could get frisky. And he has a big cult in many places. While he has few allies, he can bend the plane of shadow to his will and summon beings from there. The plane of shadow is a muted, dusky version of the prime material plane oerth's place it would change to meet umm Middle azeroerth.

#43 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"The Empire of the son of Graz'zt the Dark Demon prince of tyrants *funny, tyrants are mainly lawful, graz'zt is chaotic*, the Demi god Iuz has made a empire in Oerik. That could be a major problem, especially considering the personal power of the ruler. "
Main question is, would Mordor consider unleashing h3ll upon them? Not like Minas Tirith, but full-blown War of the Jewels force?"
It would be a battle to see. evil humanoids, undead, and demons vs well evil humanoids and giants and some immortals thrown in too. Balors vs Balrogs *they are for all purposes identical*"
The Wars of Beleriand involved hordes of Orcs, Balrogs, and trolls like the imagination cannot comprehend. Think the host that assailed Minas Tirith multiplied over several times over. Yes, a battle to see, if you could survive the swarms of whatever comes out of the battle sailing through the air.
Post Edited:2008-05-25 01:08:55"
Spells, rocks, and probably a few severed heads *someone's going to run out of ammo* flying through the air. Who's up for a 7 year siege all over again? But bump it up to 700 years. "
Morgoth poured all he could into getting the Silmaril-jewels and used hosts like mentioned above several times over in the battles of the Wars. His greatest though was used during the Battle of Sudden Flame, which he used hundreds of Balrogs in, many more powerful than the one in FOTR. Gothmog, of course, was present and the Elf-host was slaughtered. If Gothmog was present during the siege, it wouldn't last that long if he was in command of the Balrog army at the Battle of Sudden Flame."
the mortals would probably run out, but Iuz could make more *however D&D gods must rest a few tens of minutes for every HD of the creature*"
Iuz mustn't forget about the untold-thousands (possibly millions) of Orcs, trolls, and miscellaneous others that also assail his own armies. Besides, he might get into a fight with Morgoth, who is an Aniur and second only to Oe the One, who is in essence Existence itself, in power."
I would say Graz'zt would stop supplying Iuz demons when he senses morgoth. And after the supply of demons runs dry, defeat is inevitable. If I remember right, Vecna who is a full god resides on the prime, maybe oerth, but it's pretty damn well hidden. Fitting for a god of secrets and magic. But morgoth would probably find it and direct sauron over, but assailing a god of secrets is something most people are downright afraid of, your fighting one who isn't just in the shadows, he is the shadows. "

The only light in Morgoth's realm was from the Silmarils, which he had only for a time. He would be used to the darkness and would certainly know how to delve into its secrets.

#44 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Vecna can use magic on a scale normally not seen in lord of the rings. Coupled with divine power, this could get frisky. And he has a big cult in many places. While he has few allies, he can bend the plane of shadow to his will and summon beings from there. The plane of shadow is a muted, dusky version of the prime material plane *oerth's place* it would change to meet umm Middle azeroerth. "

Huh. Keep in mind that Morgoth is too on a level normally not seen in genres like LOTR. He's generally near-godhood in most incarnations. It doesn't matter how many allies Vecna summons: the end result is a massacre."

Vecna could hold out, I'm sure he has some mystic artifact that could boost his power His missing left hand and eye are very powerful, nearly on the level of the ring itself

#45 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Vecna can use magic on a scale normally not seen in lord of the rings. Coupled with divine power, this could get frisky. And he has a big cult in many places. While he has few allies, he can bend the plane of shadow to his will and summon beings from there. The plane of shadow is a muted, dusky version of the prime material plane *oerth's place* it would change to meet umm Middle azeroerth. "

Huh. Keep in mind that Morgoth is too on a level normally not seen in genres like LOTR. He's generally near-godhood in most incarnations. It doesn't matter how many allies Vecna summons: the end result is a massacre.

#46 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Vecna can use magic on a scale normally not seen in lord of the rings. Coupled with divine power, this could get frisky. And he has a big cult in many places. While he has few allies, he can bend the plane of shadow to his will and summon beings from there. The plane of shadow is a muted, dusky version of the prime material plane *oerth's place* it would change to meet umm Middle azeroerth. "
Huh. Keep in mind that Morgoth is too on a level normally not seen in genres like LOTR. He's generally near-godhood in most incarnations. It doesn't matter how many allies Vecna summons: the end result is a massacre."
Vecna could hold out, I'm sure he has some mystic artifact that could boost his power *His missing left hand and eye are very powerful, nearly on the level of the ring itself* "

Sauron, the creator of the Ring, is once a student to Morgoth. Morgoth has no doubt created weapons far superior to the Ring.

#47 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Warsman says:

"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Vecna can use magic on a scale normally not seen in lord of the rings. Coupled with divine power, this could get frisky. And he has a big cult in many places. While he has few allies, he can bend the plane of shadow to his will and summon beings from there. The plane of shadow is a muted, dusky version of the prime material plane *oerth's place* it would change to meet umm Middle azeroerth. "
Huh. Keep in mind that Morgoth is too on a level normally not seen in genres like LOTR. He's generally near-godhood in most incarnations. It doesn't matter how many allies Vecna summons: the end result is a massacre."
Vecna could hold out, I'm sure he has some mystic artifact that could boost his power *His missing left hand and eye are very powerful, nearly on the level of the ring itself* "

Sauron, the creator of the Ring, is once a student to Morgoth. Morgoth has no doubt created weapons far superior to the Ring. "

Well, apparantly the Lich God ran out of luck, so he's slain and his hand and eye, Well I just hope gollum doesn't find them, and his body parts he's a skeleton after so many years all become artifacts of power. I wonder how Sauron or morgoth would distribute them. though using them require removing that particular part of your body and replacing it with the item thus making the head useless

#48 Posted by ThisIsGonnaHurt (30176 posts) - - Show Bio

Dreadnaught says:

"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Warsman says:
"Dreadnaught says:
"Vecna can use magic on a scale normally not seen in lord of the rings. Coupled with divine power, this could get frisky. And he has a big cult in many places. While he has few allies, he can bend the plane of shadow to his will and summon beings from there. The plane of shadow is a muted, dusky version of the prime material plane *oerth's place* it would change to meet umm Middle azeroerth. "
Huh. Keep in mind that Morgoth is too on a level normally not seen in genres like LOTR. He's generally near-godhood in most incarnations. It doesn't matter how many allies Vecna summons: the end result is a massacre."
Vecna could hold out, I'm sure he has some mystic artifact that could boost his power *His missing left hand and eye are very powerful, nearly on the level of the ring itself* "
Sauron, the creator of the Ring, is once a student to Morgoth. Morgoth has no doubt created weapons far superior to the Ring. "
Well, apparantly the Lich God ran out of luck, so he's slain and his hand and eye, Well I just hope gollum doesn't find them, and his body parts *he's a skeleton after so many years* all become artifacts of power. I wonder how Sauron or morgoth would distribute them. though using them require removing that particular part of your body and replacing it with the item *thus making the head useless*"

Firstly, Gollum is slaughtered by Sauron's armies (who obviously learns from his mistakes) and Morgoth takes the eye, giving Sauron the hand. Sauron gets to keep the Ring. Morgoth continues to conquer the world. What next is the question now...

#49 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

Oerth has moons that can be inhabited and are so. And Oerth is huge, the eastern tip of Oerik where they have been fighting is the size of asia. Oerth is a geocentric system it's so big that it's sun orbits it So they move into what is considered the place of horrific things, and plus, Oerth is hollow, they would go down to the Underdark which is full of dark elves, evil dwarves, gray gnomes, and worse.

#50 Posted by Vrakmul (23407 posts) - - Show Bio

How about the armies of the fire giants march upon Minas Triath, with Azer fire dwarves and salamanders and fire elementals in tow. Better bring the water and pray for rain.