#1 Edited by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

This is basically an idea I ripped off from some old threads Owie made a long time ago with the recent street king thread. Basically I put characters who are below spider-man level but have certain abilities or weapons to put them above your standard human in comics.

Basically these are a series of one on one fights, and the winner of one round will move on to the next round until there is only one character left standing. An example here is if wolverine beats deadpool, and kraven beats beast, Kraven will end up fighting wolverine in the next fight. And the winner of that moves, and so on and so fourth until only one person is left standing

If you don't recognize someone look them up on comicvine. Or you can just skip that round if you prefer.

Rules

  • Current versions (composite Aphrodite)
  • Standard gear for everyone with the exceptions of:
    • No teleporter for black panther
    • No using the Coin of Solomon for Aphrodite
  • Pre flashpoint versions of all DC characters
  • Morals are off
  • Win by any means
  • The winners get fully healed before the next round

Location

  • Begin visible
  • Begin 50 feet apart
  • Fight takes place here:

Who wins and why?

#2 Edited by DarkRaiden (7312 posts) - - Show Bio

It ends Black Panther or Blade vs. Deadpool IMO. Both beat Deadpool in a good fight.

#3 Posted by Floopay (8721 posts) - - Show Bio

My pick for semi-finals would be:

  • Ultimate Captain America vs. Miles Morales
  • Luther Strode vs. Beast

Overall I think it'll be Ultimate Captain America in the finals, and I think a convincing argument could be made for him vs Beast or Strode.

Thanks for reading,

Floopay

#4 Edited by Gojira2014 (2015 posts) - - Show Bio

I think it would be Black Panther vs Ultimate Captain America, and Luther Strode vs Deadpool. Then Black Panther vs Luther Strode in which case I would think Black Panther wins via Vibranium Armor.

Neat idea.

#5 Posted by Juiceboks (9069 posts) - - Show Bio

I see Wolverine and Blade ending up fighting each other. At which point I'd give the slight majority to Wolverine due to being more skilled.

#6 Posted by i_like_swords (14529 posts) - - Show Bio

I see it as coming down to Strode and Black Panther, where I'd favour T'Challa as the victor due to his weaponry and durability.

#7 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

i see Black Panther vs Ult Cap and Deadpool vs 616 Cap

then Black Panther vs 616 Cap or Deadpool i cant really decide.... not that it matters because

Black Panther wins...

#8 Posted by kidman560 (7577 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 you say these guys are below Spider Man but really T'challa is kind of in the same league with him i only say this because i notice you put BP here but not Iron Fist... anyways just kind of thinking out lout to ya...

#9 Edited by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 you say these guys are below Spider Man but really T'challa is kind of in the same league with him i only say this because i notice you put BP here but not Iron Fist... anyways just kind of thinking out lout to ya...

Under these conditions with this tech he is below Peter IMO. His force field wont protect him from Peters strength (maybe if Peter is holding back), his cloaking device can be countered with spider-sense. And as skilled and fast as T'challa is I think peter would beat him eventually.

Different debate for another time though.

It ends Black Panther or Blade vs. Deadpool IMO. Both beat Deadpool in a good fight.

Who do you think is more likely to win between Blade and black panther?

I think it would be Black Panther vs Ultimate Captain America, and Luther Strode vs Deadpool. Then Black Panther vs Luther Strode in which case I would think Black Panther wins via Vibranium Armor.

Neat idea.

It isn't confirmed if current black panther has the vibranium suit so for the time being I think its best to assume he doesn't have it until Hickman confirms it.

His current gear are energy daggers, cloaking device which makes him invisible, a teleporter (all though I took that way here), and his current costume is insulated to electrical attacks. He also has a force field projector:

#10 Posted by Gojira2014 (2015 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: he should still win with that, he has super human stats now too right?

#11 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: he should still win with that, he has super human stats now too right?

Yea Hickman confirmed it.

Its only low level superhuman stats though. HIckman has said he is "maybe slightly stronger but the knowledge is the real get".

#12 Posted by Gojira2014 (2015 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Maybe Ultimate Captain America can take him then. Im not sure who would win that semi final.

#13 Edited by reaverlation (15931 posts) - - Show Bio

In the Semi-finals:

T'Challa vs Slade

And

Logan vs Strode

And the winner is:

Black Panther

#14 Posted by DarkRaiden (7312 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I'd say... Black panther since his intelligence might push him over the edge. Blade does have a great counter to any vibranium though with his adamantium swords.

#15 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: I'd say... Black panther since his intelligence might push him over the edge. Blade does have a great counter to any vibranium though with his adamantium swords.

Just encase there's an confusion black panther doesn't have his vibranium suit here since it hasn't been confirmed to be carrying yet.

#16 Edited by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (1777 posts) - - Show Bio

Semi finals blade vs panther = blade take sit barley, wolverine vs lurther strode, wolverine slightly stomps , final blade vs wolverine, wolverine wins

#17 Edited by dondave (37550 posts) - - Show Bio

T'Challa

#18 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

So far the popular contenders seem to be blade, wolverine, black panther, Luther Strode and ultimate cap....

#19 Posted by reaverlation (15931 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Panther all day son!

(Hehe sorry about that just you and wolverine08 made T'Challa my favorite Marvel street leveler.)

#20 Posted by Quickfingers26 (1037 posts) - - Show Bio

In the semi-finals I have: Black Panther versus Ultimate Cap and 616 Cap versus bone-claw Wolverine.

In the final, I have Ultimate Cap declawing Logan.

#21 Posted by Jonez120 (4413 posts) - - Show Bio

Last battle will be Panther vs Deadpool.

Panther will win.

#22 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Panther all day son!

(Hehe sorry about that just you and wolverine08 made T'Challa my favorite Marvel street leveler.)

No problem and thats good to hear.

#23 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

bump

#24 Posted by laflux (16002 posts) - - Show Bio

Black Panther/Aphrodite IX vs Luther Strode for the final.

Black Panther should win honestly.

#25 Posted by Namor_Curry (326 posts) - - Show Bio

It's an all Cap final.

#26 Posted by Owie (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

Round 1: Black Panther (although this is really a hard one, Miles is great but Panther is almost impossible to beat, esp with some tech), Aphrodite, Ult. Cap, Deathstroke, Deadpool, Beast (current Beast? this seems like the easiest win here), Luthor Strode, Batman.

Round 2: Argh. I just saw morals are off. I may reconsider the above, think about a morals-off Miles or Cap...no, too late...just go on...OK: Aphrodite, Deathstroke, Beast, Luthor Strode (due to HF).

Round 3: Aphrodite (maybe? I've only read 1 comic so I am guessing the hell out of this), Luthor Strode.

Winner: Strode?

#27 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

@owie: Is beast currently more powerful than he was before? I know he went through a mutation but I figured he didn't have a lot of showings. I sort of just assumed he was the same.

#28 Posted by Owie (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@owie: Is beast currently more powerful than he was before? I know he went through a mutation but I figured he didn't have a lot of showings. I sort of just assumed he was the same.

I meant vs his original human form, where he was about a 1 or 2 tonner. In any of his blue furry forms his strength is debatable, but he's at least a 10-tonner (some people argue up to 25 but from quickly scanning around right now most wikis list him at 10) and way more agile than anyone else here other than Miles. His fighting feats aren't always amazing but from a purely physical standpoint he's pretty high for this level.

Although like I just said his actual fights are not always great. He actually had a morals-off fight with Nightcrawler just a little while ago that ended up fairly close. There was a lot of context in there, and they were both hurt from various other sources, and Nightcrawler can of course teleport, but still.

I suppose Beast's physicals are close enough to Spidey's that it makes sense to match Kraven up against him. Although with morals off, it could end up like Back in Black.

#29 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

@owie: I see. And yea I agree beast on paper is beyond this tier but his fighting feats haven't been impressive aside from a few showings against wolverine. All though I think those are the result of wolverine holding back (this can be backed up further by the fact that a morals off wolverine one shotted beast).

#30 Posted by GraniteSoldier (7870 posts) - - Show Bio

It's likely Panther, Miles, or Cap vs Deadpool or Cap. I'd honestly say Panther or Miles have the best chance of taking it all.

#31 Posted by krauser99 (826 posts) - - Show Bio

Panther or Deathstroke or Cap or Logan

These are my main picks but I can see other characters winning this as well.

#32 Posted by Night4345 (4265 posts) - - Show Bio

Deathstroke vs Miles and Bone-Claw Wolverine vs Luther Strode.

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#33 Edited by Young_Murloc (687 posts) - - Show Bio

No one has said Blade???? Blade can win this IMO, I just think he needs more feats he isn't shown as much as he should be.

@jashro44 keep these threads up they're fun :)

#34 Posted by Owie (3742 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44 said:

@owie: I see. And yea I agree beast on paper is beyond this tier but his fighting feats haven't been impressive aside from a few showings against wolverine. All though I think those are the result of wolverine holding back (this can be backed up further by the fact that a morals off wolverine one shotted beast).

I definitely understand where you're coming from. He tends to be more of a scientist than a fighter these days, so he doesn't really rack up the feats. But I just looked around to see if I could find any old feats, and found this respect thread. While it mostly focuses on old stuff, some of it is decent.

(One caveat--a lot of the strength feats in this thread are from when he was with the original X-Factor, and in his human form--he had his strength amped by Apocalypse then, so those don't count.)

Some that do though: being able to knock down or flip Juggernaut on a few occasions, despite his power of not being able to be moved; knocking down Living Monolith (he kind of tripped him, but still it would take a fair amount of strength); causing shockwaves from hitting the ground; knocking out Frenzy; knocking out an early Wonder Man; putting a good beating on Danger.

Still, I totally agree that he doesn't have a lot of fighting skill.

#35 Posted by Buckshot (18915 posts) - - Show Bio

Dunno how I thought these were teams lol. I was here ready to say Black Panther and Miles Morales take it for all the gold coins.

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#36 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

No one has said Blade???? Blade can win this IMO, I just think he needs more feats he isn't shown as much as he should be.

@jashro44 keep these threads up they're fun :)

I'll see if I can think of some more.

@owie said:

@jashro44 said:

@owie: I see. And yea I agree beast on paper is beyond this tier but his fighting feats haven't been impressive aside from a few showings against wolverine. All though I think those are the result of wolverine holding back (this can be backed up further by the fact that a morals off wolverine one shotted beast).

I definitely understand where you're coming from. He tends to be more of a scientist than a fighter these days, so he doesn't really rack up the feats. But I just looked around to see if I could find any old feats, and found this respect thread. While it mostly focuses on old stuff, some of it is decent.

(One caveat--a lot of the strength feats in this thread are from when he was with the original X-Factor, and in his human form--he had his strength amped by Apocalypse then, so those don't count.)

Some that do though: being able to knock down or flip Juggernaut on a few occasions, despite his power of not being able to be moved; knocking down Living Monolith (he kind of tripped him, but still it would take a fair amount of strength); causing shockwaves from hitting the ground; knocking out Frenzy; knocking out an early Wonder Man; putting a good beating on Danger.

Still, I totally agree that he doesn't have a lot of fighting skill.

Yea I feel him and Miles stat wise are beyond this tier but IMO Kraven and the like can contend with them due to skill. I think all though those 2 are power wise beyond everyone else, the others are more competent.

#37 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll give this another try....

#38 Posted by OreoAssassin (4994 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Out of curiousity, did you make a Mid-Tier Bracket yet?

#39 Posted by cdiddyman911 (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

R1

  • Black Panther
  • Aphrodite
  • Ultimate Cap
  • Blade
  • Wolverine
  • Beast
  • Luthor Strode
  • Captain America

R2

  • Black Panther
  • Ultimate Cap
  • Wolverine
  • Luthor Strode

R3

  • Black Panther
  • Luthor Strode

R4

  • Black Panther
#40 Posted by dondave (37550 posts) - - Show Bio
#41 Posted by cdiddyman911 (2530 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@cdiddyman911: How is Luther beating Wolverine?

Luthor is overall superior to a bone claw Wolverine except for the hf.

#42 Posted by highaccuser (6815 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Panther
  • IDK
  • Ultimate Captain America
  • Blade
  • Wolverine
  • Kraven
  • Luthor Strode
  • Batman
  • Panther
  • Ultimate Captain America
  • Wolverine
  • Luthor Strode
  • Panther
  • Wolverine

Winner: Panther.

#43 Posted by jashro44 (21891 posts) - - Show Bio