Mid level tourney Thegrayson vs strafe prower

@TheGraySon

(Pre new 52 beast boy)

vs

@Strafe Prower

(black lightning)

Location: abandoned mine 20 feet away

30 minutes of strategy only

Full knowledge of each other

Morals on and in character

KO elimination

Pre new 52 versions

First to 10 votes wins voting only starts after both debaters have made their case

BB isnt much for prep but knowing BL is peak human physically, a lot of his standard morphs could knock him out. I havent read much of BL to be honest. Defense wise ive seen him put up a small shield to destroy a small disk thrown at him, but he seemed to have trouble with doing even that.

@Strafe Prower: Do you have any feat scans you want to put up?

@Strafe Prower: Well i didnt see any shields.. But hes not durable enough to survive a tail whip from a lot of dinos, and his speed/reactions arent above peak human. Most impressive thing i saw in these scans was the explosion vs geoforce, and BB has already saved himself and his entire team by turning into a phoenix. Is there a feat where he explains how many volts he can go up to?

Edit: well his MA i mean, not volts. and NVM found the shields

He could probably take one T-rex, but BB can split himself and create an army of T-rex or even mythical creatures like dragons or phoenix.

I will cast my offical vote when you guys are done, as of now I am leading for Black lighting, I am looking forward to seeing scans of beast boy doing that

Sorry the positioning is weird... couldnt figure it out lol. He also has his King Ape form which is a larger, stronger, and more durable form of his regular ape form.

@Strafe Prower: Okay well lets say he can only make 3 of himself. One phoenix, one t-rex, and one king ape. The phoenix has the defense covered while the other two are on the offensive. Most impressive thing BL did was an explosion, and BB has already defended himself and his team against something of that magnitude in his phoenix form.

@Strafe Prower:

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This is the image right before the phoenix scan i posted. He protects his entire team from Holocaust blowing up the building.

Whats to say he cant? He showed the ability to split as an ox, and thats not exactly a trait oxen have. Its implied he could do it as any of his animal forms and i still havent seen anything to show that BL could take out a regenerating phoenix.

BB can transform into a mix of multiple animals at once, so with all their attributes combined its tough to say BL could take him out in one hit in this form.

If anything BB just has to wait him out while in phoenix form before switching to another form to attack.

What kryptonian level opponents has he beaten?

@Strafe Prower: Those scans are kind of out of context. BL was channeling a nuclear tank to destroy the robot. He couldnt beat it with his power alone. Also the Imperiex's kind of varied in power..

@Strafe Prower said:

While Holocaust's attack was powerful, Black Lightning has much more firepower. Not to mention that Black Lightning's attacks travel faster and he has better reaction timing than Holocaust.

How so? Holocaust has taken out Wonder girl, bombshell, Aquagirl, and Static with a flare.. Holocaust is a bullet timer, and i havent seen feats of BL to show hes above a bullet timer.

Maybe his attacks travel faster.. but i dont see a way to prove that, or that hes much more powerful.

Yeah youve never seen him do it but its implied with his skill set. You havent seen BL block a charge or tail whip from a full grown T-rex but you assume he could do it because hes tanked a speeding car or bullets. Not exactly the same thing. If he could split while he was an Ox he could probably do it in his other forms as well.

BB has the same amount of prep and full knowledge... He wouldnt risk going out of phoenix form unless BL has tired himself out or left an opening.

Wow i must say i am enjoying this

Also, the scan where he splits into 3 ox isn't Beast Boy, that is an older Beast Boy who came back in time and is fighting Cyborg. This is further proven at the bottom of the scan with the children comment from older Superboy and Wondergirl.

@Strafe Prower said:

@TheGraySon: That was back in the 90's though, and Black Lightning has grown in power and hurt Geo-Force with his attacks.

Static and Black Lightning beat Holocaust as well. Black Lightning has tanked his attacks for long periods of time, while the same wasn't true for Holocaust. This point is moot though and we can move on.

Electricity moves faster than fire, but this point is also moot.

Just because it is implied doesn't mean he can do it or has trained to do so. You have to base it off feats, not theory. If Black Lightning can tank attacks from Geo-Force (Who is in Wonder Woman's strength class), he can tank the tail of a T-Rex, not that he would be tagged.

Which won't happen as Black Lightning isn't one for pure offense, but strategic fighting. For example, his fight with with Cabre.

Also, the scan where he splits into 3 ox isn't Beast Boy, that is an older Beast Boy who came back in time and is fighting Cyborg. This is further proven at the bottom of the scan with the children comment from older Superboy and Wondergirl.

One fight with Geoforce doesnt make BL highly durable, if anything its inconsistent. BL has been knocked out by much less.

I still havent seen anything that would take out BB's phoenix form.

@sync1 said:

Also, the scan where he splits into 3 ox isn't Beast Boy, that is an older Beast Boy who came back in time and is fighting Cyborg. This is further proven at the bottom of the scan with the children comment from older Superboy and Wondergirl.

Lol im fully aware of the context of that scan. The titants travel to an alternate timeline where they have a darker sense of justice. Future BB says he has the power to do it and is too ashamed to embrace it, but since present BB hasnt actually done it i dropped the whole splitting thing.

And it would be more likely for him to turn into an animal that can be fried? I didnt say hed stay in phoenix form the entire battle, i said he would wait for openings.

@Strafe Prower: Sure

Here i fixed em.

@Strafe Prower: Well you used a scan from that run to show BL's power...

@Strafe Prower: Not the first time you used that scan to debate BL, but okay. Also those two scans were done by two different writers, so im not sure how you can just write it off. Anyways, lets start the voting.

Good debate. I was initially thinking BL would win this but I do see an opportunity for BB. Learning a lot about both either way.

@THUNDERBOLT30: To be honest i learned a lot of BL stuff from this. Didnt think he was capable of this much.

like @TheGraySon debate a lit more but both of u were awesome but is my vote count ill vote for BB

I'm still gonna go for black lighting, no change in my vote

2-0 black lightning anyone can vote.