#1 Edited by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael Demiurgos:

vs.

Pre-Retcon Molecule Man (of Secret Wars):

Who win?

#2 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (3060 posts) - - Show Bio

@alternative_backup: I'm going with Molecule Man. I don't really know any feats from Michael just his brother.

#3 Posted by Scoop316 (173 posts) - - Show Bio

PR Molecule Man wins in a relatively good fight. Michael should be just slightly below Living Tribunal. Don't know if Michael has Lucifer's gift for manipulation, it means the difference between losing without too much chance to actually being able to hold his own.

#4 Edited by Killemall (18761 posts) - - Show Bio

Honestly Pre Retcon MM should be able to take on both Michael , Lucifer and Gabriel together and still come out of top, but i suppose his own self imposted limitation is going to be a problem.(scratch that, totally forgot Secret Wars 2 had no self imposted limitation, he was just not longer a bad guy)

#5 Posted by rolldestroyer (3544 posts) - - Show Bio

PR MM

#6 Edited by jamesisaacs (216 posts) - - Show Bio

MM cannot beat the second strongest being under God.

#7 Edited by Dredeuced (6228 posts) - - Show Bio

MM cannot beat the second strongest being under God.

He's not fighting Lucifer.

Heh.

#8 Edited by WaveMotionCannon (6480 posts) - - Show Bio

MM

#9 Edited by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio

@scoop316 Michael is not known for his skills of manipulation, but by its raw power. I think it is a fight that can go either way and I see Michael with enough power to manterse firm in a battle against the Molecule Man.

#10 Posted by DarkRaiden (10655 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael should win considering he's omniversal (aka above LT) and his death results in the destruction of the Omniverse so....he can only stalemate at worst. He has God's Power, as in he is omnipotent as far as output technically. He should stomp.

#11 Posted by Killemall (18761 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael should win considering he's omniversal (aka above LT) and his death results in the destruction of the Omniverse so....he can only stalemate at worst. He has God's Power, as in he is omnipotent as far as output technically. He should stomp.

Thats not really true, Michael Power was used by Lucifer, manipulated to create a multiverse as opposed to an omniverse. No omniverse was destroyed because of his death, he was taken to void outside Presence multiverse and allowed to die in a contained detonation.

That being said apart from the Lucifer solo series i have not read anything about Michael, and he only has a few appearences in there, thankfully including this one.

#12 Posted by dondave (40117 posts) - - Show Bio

PR MM

#13 Edited by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio
#14 Posted by Ratatat (757 posts) - - Show Bio

MM

#15 Posted by Killemall (18761 posts) - - Show Bio

@alternative_backup: Molecule Man by a long shot (assuming Michael is one the same ball part as Lucifer, given Lucifer actually beaten him towards the end of his solo series). There is a good reason he was immediately retcon , the very next apparence after Secret Wars 2, lol. Way too powerful to walk around. He was said to be more powerful than Living Tribunal, was healing multiple universe with a flick of his finger, going toe to toe with Beyonder (never actually won though).

#16 Edited by Needlebay (2391 posts) - - Show Bio

I'll go with Michael.

#17 Posted by rolldestroyer (3544 posts) - - Show Bio

@alternative_backup: assuming Michael is one the same ball part as Lucifer, given Lucifer actually beaten him towards the end of his solo series.

i don't think that counts, both lucifer and michael were extremely weakened due to their journey to yggdrasil, and most importantly, lucifer was bloodlusted and aiming to kill michael (since lucifer was controlled by Fenris) while michael was trying to reason with him.

#18 Posted by thanosii (1535 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: does it matter PR Beyonder could destroy countless galaxy /universes just by thinking and MM could undo that with a finger wave, both micheal and lucifer are no match for MM

#19 Posted by SheenLantern (7362 posts) - - Show Bio

Pre-Retcon Molecule Man was > The Living Tribunal

He stomps with ease.

#20 Posted by rolldestroyer (3544 posts) - - Show Bio

@thanosii said:

@rolldestroyer: does it matter PR Beyonder could destroy countless galaxy /universes just by thinking and MM could undo that with a finger wave, both micheal and lucifer are no match for MM

i was clarifying on that particular instance.

i do agree that molecule man wins, based on feats.

#21 Posted by alternative_backup (931 posts) - - Show Bio

Bump!

#22 Edited by Ohgma_Infinium (274 posts) - - Show Bio

Michael is a multiversal reality warper, he has relative omnipotence and can't die. Michael wins.

#23 Posted by eternityx (2934 posts) - - Show Bio

@darkraiden:

LT is also omniversal.

Molecule Man wins quite easily.

#24 Posted by AmazonieSPL (291 posts) - - Show Bio

Oh hummm....Pre-Retcon Molecule Man

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