Michael and Lucifer(DC) vs Living Tribunal

living tribunal goes to dc and tries to destroy it and the presence sends both his sons to stop him.

Who wins and how?

@Bo88gdan: Elaborate please?

I think i am among few people who believe Lucifer for one can solo LT.

The angels.

@Killemall: Same here.

@Killemall said:

I think i am among few people who believe Lucifer for one can solo LT.

@Bo88gdan: Lucifer and Michael alone Rival LT's power and together they destroy him.

Lucifer can possibly solo LT. Would be the fight of the decade. Lucifer is pretty damn tricky.

I think i am among few people who believe Lucifer for one can solo LT.

Michael + The Morningstar Infinite Power To Create And Destroy

@The_Soverighn said:

Michael + The Morningstar Infinite Power To Create And Destroy

Angels take it

Lucifer and Michael Stomp.

@icysloth said:

@Killemall said:

I think i am among few people who believe Lucifer for one can solo LT.

this is why I respect you as a wise dead terrorist.

LOL thank you

team

@Killemall: So Correct me if im wrong please, but you place Lucifer and Michael higher than OAA? Cause hes all thats higher than LT. So it seems pretty bold and silly to say Lucifer can solo LT and then match OAA when Presence is equal to OAA for all intents and purpose.....

You confuse me.

@CadenceV2 said:

@Killemall: So Correct me if im wrong please, but you place Lucifer and Michael higher than OAA? Cause hes all thats higher than LT. So it seems pretty bold and silly to say Lucifer can solo LT and then match OAA when Presence is equal to OAA for all intents and purpose.....

You confuse me.

To answer your question, no i do not think Michael or Lucifer or both together are anywhere close to The One Above All, in fact, i am of the opinion that One Above All might even be above Presence.

That being said while LT is normally addressed as the most powerful being in the Multiverse, his interaction with Beyonder (Secret Wars 1 and 2), Molecule Man (Secret Wars 2), Protege (GOTG Beaware), etc shows that the bolded part simply cannot be true.

@Killemall: Would ya put Beyonder at Lucifer level?

@Killemall said:

I think i am among few people who believe Lucifer for one can solo LT.

Your not alone

Stalemate or team wins by a slight margin.

M and l rape

I don't think Protege was retconned, it's just a largely ignored alternate future/reality.

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

Living Tribunal never appeared in Secret Wars 1, pretty much all of Secret Wars 2 has been retconned, and I'm pretty sure the Protégé stuff has been to.

Oh thank you and yes LT has never appeared in Secret Wars 1.

Secret Wars 2 has not been retconned though, neither has Protege stuffs.

@Betatesthighlander1 said:

@Killemall: I'm not actually sure about the protégé stuff, but Fantastic Four #316-318 are pretty much dedicated to saying "you know all that ridiculously powerful stuff the beyonder did? most of that was fake. he' was actually weaker than the celestials"

I have the entire collection of Fantastic Four appearences and i do not recall any such stuff, all i recall is FF going to meet Beyonder, which now was a retconed version, and even that version in his fight with molecule man has caused trans-multiversal damange. Would you have scan to substantiate that, i can check it up tomorrow if you like.

Furthemore, weaker than a celestial statement was made by Kubik much later and he was talking about himself and Kosmos, both of whom have been pretty explicitly shown to be inferior to Molecule Man, and by extension Beyonder.

Furthermore, Marvel Blockbuster backs Beyonder changing himself , here is the relevant cut from Secret Wars bio from Marvel Blockbuster (2011)

According to his page, Living Tribunal was able to absorb Protégé meaning: A) he can absorb people of similar power, and could do this to Lucifer and Michael, or B) Protégé had no true claim to LT's power.

Comicvine wikis are not as reliable as one would like. That being said LT absorbing Protege is true but there is a huge context involved, while Protege did copy Living Tribunal's power he was defeated by Scanthan, it was then that LT was able to absorb his power using a plot device, Eternal Hourglass.

Here are the relevant scans from GOTG 50

Protege having copied LT's ability is backed by on panel evidence as well as bio.

On panel

Backed by bio , which clearly states it was Scanthan who saved the reality.

@demifiendninja said:

team

Stalemate.

not too familiar with lucifer and michaels abilities and the extent of their power, could someone help me understand? As of now I am of the opinion that LT wins