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#1  Edited By rangersoul6

I'm surprised this hasn't been done.
 
Anyways, who wins?

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#3  Edited By rangersoul6
@Edamame:  Why?
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#4  Edited By Silver2467

Arceus. Essentially, Arceus = the god of Pokemon. Mewtwo could have put up a better fight, although he would probably have lost also. 

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#5  Edited By rangersoul6
@Silver2467:  But Mew was pretty much first natural born Pokemon. He can learn almost any move. Arceus is fairly new, and Mew has been a character for years. Wans't Mew the "God" of pokemon, before Arceus?
 
Didn't Mew pretty much toy around with Mewtwo, not even fight serious. And he still put up a good fight.
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#7  Edited By rangersoul6
@Edamame:  What about Missingno. lol
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#8  Edited By Silver2467
@rangersoul6 said:
" @Silver2467:  But Mew was pretty much first natural born Pokemon. He can learn almost any move. Arceus is fairly new, and Mew has been a character for years. Wans't Mew the "God" of pokemon, before Arceus? Didn't Mew pretty much toy around with Mewtwo, not even fight serious. And he still put up a good fight. "
No to all of this, except Mew being able to learn any move. 
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#10  Edited By rangersoul6
@Edamame:  Missingo, he was a glitched pokemon, he could go up to level 250 or so.
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#11  Edited By Silver2467
@rangersoul6 said:
" @Edamame:  Missingo, he was a glitched pokemon, he could go up to level 250 or so. "
He is not even recognized as a canon Pokemon. He was just a glitch in the original Red and Blue. 
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#12  Edited By rangersoul6
@Silver2467:  Which is why i said he was  glitched pokemon whether or not he *is* canon, would he make a good matchup? :p
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#13  Edited By Silver2467
@rangersoul6: No. 
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#14  Edited By rangersoul6
@Silver2467: Explain.
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#15  Edited By Trainer_Gabriel
@rangersoul6 said:
" @Silver2467:  But Mew was pretty much first natural born Pokemon. He can learn almost any move. Arceus is fairly new, and Mew has been a character for years. Wans't Mew the "God" of pokemon, before Arceus? Didn't Mew pretty much toy around with Mewtwo, not even fight serious. And he still put up a good fight. "

More like the "origin" of Pokemon. Arceus is more likely to win though.
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#16  Edited By rangersoul6
@Trainer_Gabriel:  :(
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#17  Edited By Silver2467
@rangersoul6: Missingno was impossible to use in a battle. It was completely random. There was no consistency, and nothing confirmed. 
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#18  Edited By rangersoul6
@Silver2467: Was it actually confirmed to be non-canon? Some people have attempted to come up with a theory towards whether or not Missingo is canon.
 It would be pretty neat if it was.
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#19  Edited By Silver2467
@rangersoul6: It has never been recognized in any Pokedexes, manga, anime, or any other games aside from Red and Blue. 
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#20  Edited By rangersoul6
@Silver2467:  A lot of things haven't been mentioned in Pokedexes (lol), Manga, or Anime, but appeared in the Game.
 
It does seem really dumb to think Missingno is Canon, but...........idk
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#21  Edited By Trainer_Gabriel

Indeed, Missingno is is not a real Pokemon. It's just a game glitch that's been removed from later games. Including FR and LG. 
check it out yourself if you want to learn more:   
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Missingno.     
But this is off-topic anyway.  
Edit: Link fixed. Don't know what just happened there.
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#22  Edited By Silver2467
@rangersoul6: Actually, no they have not. Basically everything that has appeared in the games has appeared in the anime at some point or another. What I mean by Pokedexes is the guidebooks that list every Pokemon. 
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Mew was basically the ancestor of all Pokemon, but it was never "god". There were many Mews years and years ago in Pokemon history.  
 
Arceus would win...but Mew is cuter.

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#24  Edited By Silver2467
@Trainer_Gabriel said:
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^Indeed, Missingno is is not a real Pokemon. It's just a game glitch that's been removed from later games. Including FR and LG. 
check it out yourself if you want to learn more:
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Missing_No.     This is off-topic anyway. "
Co-signed. Even FR and LG did not recognize Missingno. If the remakes of the originals did not recognize him, he is definitely not canon. 
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#25  Edited By rangersoul6
@Prince CortSether:  :D. 
 
Who would win in an in-game Pokemon battle?
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#26  Edited By RetolledTruth

In Gold version...it was said Ho-Oh is the God of Pokemon... 
 
I think.... 
Also Pokemon 2000 
 
 
Deoxys and Rayquaza would own... 
 
And Charizard...lol

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#27  Edited By Silver2467
@RetolledTruth said:
" In Gold version...it was said Ho-Oh is the God of Pokemon...  I think.... Also Pokemon 2000   Deoxys and Rayquaza would own...  And Charizard...lol "
Where did it say that?
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#28  Edited By rangersoul6
@Silver2467:  If this helps, in the Pokemon Family Tree, Mew is the First, and Ho-Oh is last.
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#29  Edited By Trainer_Gabriel
@rangersoul6:
I'd like to see that Family Tree. Though it sounds like it's fairly old.
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#30  Edited By Silver2467
@Trainer_Gabriel said:
" @rangersoul6: I'd like to see that Family Tree. Though it sounds like it's fairly old. "
Same. 
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#31  Edited By rangersoul6
@Silver2467:  It is. Hold up let me look for a link.  LINK IS HERE: (
http://gaming.wikia.com/wiki/Mew <- Scroll down to where it says 'anime'
EDIT: I found it, here's a quote 

In Pokémon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew, the backdrop revolves around Mew's mysterious history and how this extremely rare Pokémon came to be so powerful. Also, at the beginning of the movie, a Pokémon "family tree" is shown. The first Pokémon on it is Mew, and the last being Ho-oh.  
 

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#32  Edited By Trainer_Gabriel

Eh, I may need to watch the movie again. The "family tree" in the film is called "The Tree of Beginning" and was basically just a rock formation that was more or less shaped like a large tree where Mew may have possibly originated (but that's just my personal speculation). Nor did the movie indicate that Mew was the first Pokemon that came to be (until Arceus came in gen. 4 that is) and Ho-oh was last. I'm not exactly sure what that article is talking about tbh.

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#33  Edited By RetolledTruth
@Silver2467 said:
" @RetolledTruth said:
" In Gold version...it was said Ho-Oh is the God of Pokemon...  I think.... Also Pokemon 2000   Deoxys and Rayquaza would own...  And Charizard...lol "
Where did it say that? "
In the temple where you get the rainbow wing...what ever town thats in... 
 
Also when ash first left on his Journey he saw Ho-Oh...they said she blessed him in the movie with Entei 
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#34  Edited By Trainer_Gabriel
@RetolledTruth:
In Pokemon Gold, you don't get the Rainbow Wing in a temple (which I presume you are refering to is the Burned Tower or Tin Tower in Ecruteak City), you get it from the Director of the Goldenrod Radio Tower. I don't remember anyone calling Ho-oh a god (maybe you can refresh my memory if you can quote that) but if they did, that doesn't make it some god of all Pokemon. Just what it is to the people. Ash saw Ho-oh when he began his journey, yes, but that doesn't mean it was meant to be a god. And who said who blessed him in the Pokemon 3?
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#35  Edited By rangersoul6

I think I do remember Ho-Oh being called a God, not necessarily of all Pokemon, but he was called a God. Or a protector, I'm not quite sure.

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#36  Edited By Freefa11

I think Mew was considered to be the progenitor pokemon, i.e. all other pokemon were descended from him. Note that this was back when there were only 150 other pokemon. 
 
Arceus supposedly created the entire pokemon universe, so I kind of doubt it's one of Mew's descendants. 
 
I think that several of the legendaries are considered gods of one domain or another. I believe Ho-Oh is the god of the legendary birds (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres), while Lugia is the god of the dog-things (Raikou, Entei, Suicune). I might have that backwards though, or just be mistaken. I'm certainly not an expert. 
 
In addition, Groudon is the god of earth, Kyogre the god of the seas, Rayquaza the god of the skies, Dialga the god of time, Palkia the god of space, and Arceus is just God. 
 
In-game Arceus stomps Mew. Better base stats and I believe better typing. I think he has some sort of kick-ass unique move as well, but I'm not sure. Mewtwo also beats Mew, although his only advantage is better base stats. Yeah, Mew held his own in the movie, but then the movie also had Ash getting petrified when he got hit by two hyper beams, instead of just being vaporized. Then they fixed him by crying on him. So it was really kind of stupid in a lot of ways.

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#37  Edited By Achilles.

Arceus

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#38  Edited By LordBlaze

Arceus would win, due to his raw power and immense size. Mew was just the ancestor, the deity. 

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#39  Edited By SSGL1

Mew kills him with his insane cuteness

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#40  Edited By rangersoul6
@Freefa11: Ho-Oh created Raikou, Entei, and Suicuine. 
I don't know why they created Arceus, Mew is way cooler :).
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#41  Edited By Magian

I haven't seen the movie with Arceus yet. Was he strong?

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in terms of being awesome Mew/Mewtwo/Charizard pwn everybody else.

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#43  Edited By rangersoul6
@Tonystarkbuttherapper: Exactly, that's what matters anyways right? Without a lot of the cool Pokemon, Pokemon wouldn't have any Fans and they would go Bankrupt :D
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#44  Edited By rangersoul6
@ComicMan24:  He created all the Pokemon -.-....
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#45  Edited By Magian
@rangersoul6: Thanks.
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#46  Edited By LT1085

Is Pokemon comic related?

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#47  Edited By agent9149
@Freefa11 said:
" I think Mew was considered to be the progenitor pokemon, i.e. all other pokemon were descended from him. Note that this was back when there were only 150 other pokemon.  Arceus supposedly created the entire pokemon universe, so I kind of doubt it's one of Mew's descendants.  I think that several of the legendaries are considered gods of one domain or another. I believe Ho-Oh is the god of the legendary birds (Articuno, Zapdos, Moltres), while Lugia is the god of the dog-things (Raikou, Entei, Suicune). I might have that backwards though, or just be mistaken. I'm certainly not an expert.  In addition, Groudon is the god of earth, Kyogre the god of the seas, Rayquaza the god of the skies, Dialga the god of time, Palkia the god of space, and Arceus is just God.  In-game Arceus stomps Mew. Better base stats and I believe better typing. I think he has some sort of kick-ass unique move as well, but I'm not sure. Mewtwo also beats Mew, although his only advantage is better base stats. Yeah, Mew held his own in the movie, but then the movie also had Ash getting petrified when he got hit by two hyper beams, instead of just being vaporized. Then they fixed him by crying on him. So it was really kind of stupid in a lot of ways. "
i disagree ho-oh is more connected to the legendary beasts and lugia is more connected to the legendary birds...ho-oh and lugia are guardians 
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#48  Edited By rangersoul6

OMG, My Pidgeotto is evolving! :D  
 
Yeah, Ho Oh is above The Legendary Birds. 
And Lugia is the leader of the Legendary Birds. 
 
Ho-Oh and Lugia are pretty much like polar opposites. 

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#49  Edited By rangersoul6
@LT1085:  Pretty much.
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#50  Edited By sexy_merc
@LT1085 said:
" Is Pokemon comic related? "
Nope.