meta cooler cyborg frizea king cold vs first form cell
"What exactly is Cell suppose to be fighting here ? Is it Meta Cooler, Cyborg Frieza and King Cold ? "No, he has to fight the Metacoolercyborgfriezakingcold of death.
"King Saturn said:LOL"What exactly is Cell suppose to be fighting here ? Is it Meta Cooler, Cyborg Frieza and King Cold ? "No, he has to fight the Metacoolercyborgfriezakingcold of death.
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1st Form Cell is alot more powerful than all of these guys. Well... With the exception of Geti Star Cooler. Perhaps he can make a great fight against Imperfect Cell. Let's see here:
Meta Cooler is a whole of the Geti Star now. Hes as big as a planet and can mass produce himself into thousands. Granted only one Geti Star Cooler is more powerful than a SS1... In fact; in par to two SS1s. But Imperfect Cell still has the power of all the Saiyans, Piccolo, Frieza (at enhanced Mecha Form), King Cold, the Z-Fighters and all the known best martial artist in the whole world. I can't say for sure if Imperfect Cell can handle Geti Star Cooler at a weakened state; but he can still absorb the newly enhanced Frieza and King Cold to up-the anti of the fight.
From the looks of it; Geti Star Cooler has more of an advantage becuase he can Instant Transmission, regenerate, adapt to attacks, and mass produce himself.
A full powered Imperfect Cell (after absorbsion of millions of people) is just as powerful as Kami Piccolo who is just as strong and powerful as two SSs. If it's a straight one on one; Imperfect Cell would probably last for a good while, but keep in mind that Geti Cooler is alot faster than Imperfect Cell by far with the Instant Transmission... And once Geti Star fully adapts to Imperfect Cell; Imperfect Cell would loose.
But I'll still take account with the other two... Imperfect Cell can easily take out King Cold and Meta Frieza. If he uses Solar Flare to blind every one he can absorb both Meta Frieza and King cold at an instant. this would dramatically power up Imperfect Cell, but it's not going to give him the "Unlimited Power" supply to keep him from draining all that energy. So again... Unless Imperfect Cell can take out Geti Cooler with one hit or go to the source of Geti Cooler and defeating him inside the Geti Star; Imperfect Cell would still loose.
Perfect Cell; on the other hand. Would beable to easily take out Geti Cooler. And ULTRA Perfect Cell has the Instant Transmission as well and could probably take out hundreds of Geti Coolers at once with just one attack or overfrying The Geti Star as a whole altogether.
Conclusion:
Imperfect Cell > King Cold & Meta Frieza
Imperfect Cell < Geti Star Cooler
Cell (2nd form) = Geti Star Cooler (One)
Perfect Cell > Geti Star Cooler (Many)
Ultra Perfect Cell > Geti Star Cooler (The Entire Geti Star)
"1st Form Cell is alot more powerful than all of these guys. Well... With the exception of Geti Star Cooler. Perhaps he can make a great fight against Imperfect Cell. Let's see here:
Meta Cooler is a whole of the Geti Star now. Hes as big as a planet and can mass produce himself into thousands. Granted only one Geti Star Cooler is more powerful than a SS1... In fact; in par to two SS1s. But Imperfect Cell still has the power of all the Saiyans, Piccolo, Frieza (at enhanced Mecha Form), King Cold, the Z-Fighters and all the known best martial artist in the whole world. I can't say for sure if Imperfect Cell can handle Geti Star Cooler at a weakened state; but he can still absorb the newly enhanced Frieza and King Cold to up-the anti of the fight.
From the looks of it; Geti Star Cooler has more of an advantage becuase he can Instant Transmission, regenerate, adapt to attacks, and mass produce himself.
A full powered Imperfect Cell (after absorbsion of millions of people) is just as powerful as Kami Piccolo who is just as strong and powerful as two SSs. If it's a straight one on one; Imperfect Cell would probably last for a good while, but keep in mind that Geti Cooler is alot faster than Imperfect Cell by far with the Instant Transmission... And once Geti Star fully adapts to Imperfect Cell; Imperfect Cell would loose.
But I'll still take account with the other two... Imperfect Cell can easily take out King Cold and Meta Frieza. If he uses Solar Flare to blind every one he can absorb both Meta Frieza and King cold at an instant. this would dramatically power up Imperfect Cell, but it's not going to give him the "Unlimited Power" supply to keep him from draining all that energy. So again... Unless Imperfect Cell can take out Geti Cooler with one hit or go to the source of Geti Cooler and defeating him inside the Geti Star; Imperfect Cell would still loose.
Perfect Cell; on the other hand. Would beable to easily take out Geti Cooler. And ULTRA Perfect Cell has the Instant Transmission as well and could probably take out hundreds of Geti Coolers at once with just one attack or overfrying The Geti Star as a whole altogether.
Conclusion:
Imperfect Cell > King Cold & Meta Frieza
Imperfect Cell < Geti Star Cooler
Cell (2nd form) = Geti Star Cooler (One)
Perfect Cell > Geti Star Cooler (Many)
Ultra Perfect Cell > Geti Star Cooler (The Entire Geti Star)
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well said. i was going to say meta cooler but bringing up perfect cell would be to much.
Meta cooler SOLOS he easily beat Vegeta who at the time i believe had beaten (or was going to) beat 2nd form cell who is stronger then his 2st form
not only that ubt he also tooj out SS1 goku at the same time he is basicly almost Perfect cell level so how the hell does 1st form Cell have a chance?
This form of cell has about as much chance of beaitng meta cooler as an ice cube does at not melting in the fires of hell.
The DBZ Winning formula is as follows:
Goku > Anyone, regardless of power level (x) > anyone of a lower power level than (x) and all his friends
The solution to your question is Cell wins. He'd be swatting flies. Technique is of little importance in the DBZverse unless you are Goku.
The only time this formula was not followed was when Gohan beat Cell - but his power level was higher, so it all falls into place in the formula.
"The DBZ Winning formula is as follows: Goku > Anyone, regardless of power level (x) > anyone of a lower power level than (x) and all his friends The solution to your question is Cell wins. He'd be swatting flies. Technique is of little importance in the DBZverse unless you are Goku. The only time this formula was not followed was when Gohan beat Cell - but his power level was higher, so it all falls into place in the formula. "
You're forgettting Gogeta and Vegito :P
" @jloneblackheart said:Yeah, its actually"The DBZ Winning formula is as follows: Goku > Anyone, regardless of power level (x) > anyone of a lower power level than (x) and all his friends The solution to your question is Cell wins. He'd be swatting flies. Technique is of little importance in the DBZverse unless you are Goku. The only time this formula was not followed was when Gohan beat Cell - but his power level was higher, so it all falls into place in the formula. "You're forgettting Gogeta and Vegito :P "
Vegito>Gogeta> Trumps anyone else left.
Akira has stated that Vegito is the most powerful character in all of DBZ.
Cooler solos effortless
Freeza and KIng Cold get killed in a fraction of a second by Cell or Metal Cooler kills them because they are useless here.
That said, it's Metal Cooler vs Cell and ONE Metal Cooler stomps.
Even ignoring my thoughts about how SSJ Goku should total the androids even back in Movie 5, and Movie 6 Goku is an even stronger version of him...
Goku & Vegeta are still more powerful than the Piccolo in Movie 6, and Piccolo's a Super Namek, even stated as such by one of the characters on the way to New Namek. Oolong says that Goku's the most powerful (while Piccolo's present); Cooler says that his battle with Goku will decide who the strongest is; and most importantly, Kaio-ken Goku's punches could actually move Cooler, whereas Piccolo's punches couldn't even budge any of Cooler's robo-guards until he used some ki trick to penetrate their armor. And of course, as SSJs, Goku & Vegeta were capable of stunning Cooler with some normal punches and kicks. Their energy was enough fuel for his entire army of Metal Coolers.
Metal Cooler is at least equal to a Full-Power Super Saiyan in his continuity. (For those who don't know, FPSSJ is what Gohan and Goku were when they got out of the ROSAT).
Metal Cooler equal to FPSS? Not bloody likely. Vegeta couldn't even go USS in the movie, which places it before the Time Chamber training. If you consider what's going on and how the characters look, and that Trunks isn't involved, it seems like the movie most likely came out in the brief time after Vegeta was revealed to be a SS, but before Trunks or 17 & 18 showed up, well before Piccolo merged with Kami. That being the case, he's probably only about on par with 17 or 18, maybe weaker (after all, he did eventually lose to 2 SS's, while 18 took Vegeta and Trunks without much trouble).
Now, when Imperfect Cell first shows up, he seems to be weaker than merged Piccolo, who is equal to 17. However, after he has sucked a few cities dry of their inhabitants, he is clearly superior to Piccolo and 17, which also means he's going to be superior to Cooler.
So Meta Cooler could probably beat Imp Cell when he first shows up, but later on he would lose, although he could still probably put up a bit of a fight.
Movies 5 and 6 are separate continuities where they are stronger than their anime counterparts at the time. This is first seen in Movie 5 with Goku's battle with Cooler. Though Cooler's full power level is unquantifiable, the only hints we have at gauging his strength are 1) His belief that Goku (in his base form) was powerful to have killed Freeza after experiencing his power firsthand and 2) He was confident in taking on this "Super Saiyan" that killed his brother. Crazy as it may seem, both Cooler and base-form Goku were stronger than Freeza in Movie 5. We know this because in the official translation of Movie 5, Cooler simply says to SSJ Goku: "I see... So this is why my brother was no match for you!" The statement flows amicably with everything else up to that point. Cooler finds out his younger brother was killed by a Saiyan, Cooler fearlessly seeks this Saiyan out, Cooler invites this same Saiyan to attack him (specifically, to show him the power capable of killing Freeza), gets taken by surprise by that power, and then confirms that Goku was indeed powerful enough to have defeated Freeza. And to top it all off, he never planned to rely on his most powerful transformation." Metal Cooler equal to FPSS? Not bloody likely. Vegeta couldn't even go USS in the movie, which places it before the Time Chamber training. If you consider what's going on and how the characters look, and that Trunks isn't involved, it seems like the movie most likely came out in the brief time after Vegeta was revealed to be a SS, but before Trunks or 17 & 18 showed up, well before Piccolo merged with Kami. That being the case, he's probably only about on par with 17 or 18, maybe weaker (after all, he did eventually lose to 2 SS's, while 18 took Vegeta and Trunks without much trouble). Now, when Imperfect Cell first shows up, he seems to be weaker than merged Piccolo, who is equal to 17. However, after he has sucked a few cities dry of their inhabitants, he is clearly superior to Piccolo and 17, which also means he's going to be superior to Cooler. So Meta Cooler could probably beat Imp Cell when he first shows up, but later on he would lose, although he could still probably put up a bit of a fight. "
And as for Goku, he got near a 33x zenkai on Namek. So with a base-form BP higher than 3,000,000, his zenkai would only need to be less than a 40x increase to line up with Cooler's "good enough" statement. Again, nothing out-of-the-ordinary about that. The only way that they aren't stupidly powerful is if Cooler knew nothing of Freeza's max power. Piccolo's strength increased by more than 50x just through sheer training in the manga, but it's silly to think that in the Toei-verse of all places, Goku couldn't have gotten a ~40x power increase with a zenkai? Cooler, who knows the extent of his brotheerr's actual battle power, is unafraid of the Super Saiyan that killed him. For Cooler to know that he was the strongest in the universe, he would have to know the extent of Freeza's strength. And how would Cooler - the older brother - be left in the dark about something as simple as "not being in an artificially-created and suppressed form"?
Either way, Cooler's (base) battle power is higher than Freeza's by 20 million. So whether or not he guessed that he was stronger, or if he just *knew*, he was correct. I think that's all that matters. Movies 5 and 6 are in a totally different continuity than the main series. In movie 5, base Goku was stronger than SSJ Goku on Namek, and in Movie 6, Goku and Vegeta were stronger than Piccolo fused with Kami, supported with reasons above.It took place before the time in the ROSAT but in this continuity, the saiyans were about equal totheir ROSAT power. MC stomps Cell.
why do you keep repeating the same ignorant crap over and over again after already being proven wrong? I still dont know why that brain of yours cant comprehend that you make zero sense XD. Again cooler fighting goku in super saiyan form and going i see why my brother was killed equals base form goku is stronger than frieza.............do you even know what logic is?" @Freefa11 said:
Movies 5 and 6 are separate continuities where they are stronger than their anime counterparts at the time. This is first seen in Movie 5 with Goku's battle with Cooler. Though Cooler's full power level is unquantifiable, the only hints we have at gauging his strength are 1) His belief that Goku (in his base form) was powerful to have killed Freeza after experiencing his power firsthand and 2) He was confident in taking on this "Super Saiyan" that killed his brother. Crazy as it may seem, both Cooler and base-form Goku were stronger than Freeza in Movie 5. We know this because in the official translation of Movie 5, Cooler simply says to SSJ Goku: "I see... So this is why my brother was no match for you!" The statement flows amicably with everything else up to that point. Cooler finds out his younger brother was killed by a Saiyan, Cooler fearlessly seeks this Saiyan out, Cooler invites this same Saiyan to attack him (specifically, to show him the power capable of killing Freeza), gets taken by surprise by that power, and then confirms that Goku was indeed powerful enough to have defeated Freeza. And to top it all off, he never planned to rely on his most powerful transformation." Metal Cooler equal to FPSS? Not bloody likely. Vegeta couldn't even go USS in the movie, which places it before the Time Chamber training. If you consider what's going on and how the characters look, and that Trunks isn't involved, it seems like the movie most likely came out in the brief time after Vegeta was revealed to be a SS, but before Trunks or 17 & 18 showed up, well before Piccolo merged with Kami. That being the case, he's probably only about on par with 17 or 18, maybe weaker (after all, he did eventually lose to 2 SS's, while 18 took Vegeta and Trunks without much trouble). Now, when Imperfect Cell first shows up, he seems to be weaker than merged Piccolo, who is equal to 17. However, after he has sucked a few cities dry of their inhabitants, he is clearly superior to Piccolo and 17, which also means he's going to be superior to Cooler. So Meta Cooler could probably beat Imp Cell when he first shows up, but later on he would lose, although he could still probably put up a bit of a fight. "
And as for Goku, he got near a 33x zenkai on Namek. So with a base-form BP higher than 3,000,000, his zenkai would only need to be less than a 40x increase to line up with Cooler's "good enough" statement. Again, nothing out-of-the-ordinary about that. The only way that they aren't stupidly powerful is if Cooler knew nothing of Freeza's max power. Piccolo's strength increased by more than 50x just through sheer training in the manga, but it's silly to think that in the Toei-verse of all places, Goku couldn't have gotten a ~40x power increase with a zenkai? Cooler, who knows the extent of his brotheerr's actual battle power, is unafraid of the Super Saiyan that killed him. For Cooler to know that he was the strongest in the universe, he would have to know the extent of Freeza's strength. And how would Cooler - the older brother - be left in the dark about something as simple as "not being in an artificially-created and suppressed form"? Either way, Cooler's (base) battle power is higher than Freeza's by 20 million. So whether or not he guessed that he was stronger, or if he just *knew*, he was correct. I think that's all that matters. Movies 5 and 6 are in a totally different continuity than the main series. In movie 5, base Goku was stronger than SSJ Goku on Namek, and in Movie 6, Goku and Vegeta were stronger than Piccolo fused with Kami, supported with reasons above.It took place before the time in the ROSAT but in this continuity, the saiyans were about equal totheir ROSAT power. MC stomps Cell. "
and by the way goku at ssj on namek was 150,000,000..his base was 3,000,000...if going by your half assed logic that i will tear down later...that would mean gokus base form was 99,000,000....still lower than his super saiyan form...so not only do you use logic that cant even be considered logic..but you're still wrong. And for the record goku received a high ass zenkai after being near death....he wasnt anywhere near death after he beat frieza...nevermind the fact that zenkais are inconsistent and most of the time goku and vegeta received about double increase instead of the 33 times increase. All of this was of course said to you before.....but hey people like you dont let a thing called facts get in your way huh. You'd have to be a complete and total idiot to think cooler or frieza is anywhere near first form cell who single handely owned 17 who could kill goku, vegeta, trunks and piccolo at the same time if he wanted to.
Base form goku is not stronger than super saiyan form.....any version of cell kills frieza and cooler..whom by the way are part of cell...stop smoking crack..now if you'll excuse me i have some more friday night lights to watch
" @Prince CortSether: uh huh i'll take that as a you were proven wrong...you have nothing to say..but you'll try and get the last word in anyway. Have a good one "Nah, it's that your post was filled with insults and absolutely incoherent. Not to mention the flimsy little argument you made was pure falsehood.
" @Louisiana Bob said:I assure you..i enjoy nothing more on this site..than moments like this. The moment where some butthurt user starts babbling on about me being wrong..how everything i said is a lie...see i don't bother asking how so..because it would be a waste of time....its just the rantings of someone who needs to have the last say. See if i was wrong about something you would have said why by now...if my argument was so flimsy..you would have said how by now...XD Like i said....you try and get that last word in...because you certainly aint got nothing else. You have a good night sir." @Prince CortSether: uh huh i'll take that as a you were proven wrong...you have nothing to say..but you'll try and get the last word in anyway. Have a good one "Nah, it's that your post was filled with insults and absolutely incoherent. Not to mention the flimsy little argument you made was pure falsehood. "
" @Pr_Beyonder: Well, Goku is in Vegito, so just replace Goku with Vegito in the formula. As far as I'm concerned, Gogeta never existed. :P "Then again,we're forgetting Mr.Satan who is clearly Lt level.
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@prince_cortsether: Really so this doesn't matter
Goku killed MC is ssj
Broly hands there asses to them = zenkai boost
ROAST training
Hatchiyak hands there asses to them = zenkai boost
Cell Jr handles the fighters with ease who where MSSJ and USSJ
Teen gohan SSJ2 ONE SHOTTED ALL OF THEM
And made cell drop
When he comes back he took gohans arm with a simple blast from 2 fingers
Also Goku At FPMSSJ Was Matched with 50% Cell perfect So goku would be matched with SPC at 15 - 25% so I don't think MC WOULD EVEN TOUCH SPC because 2 ssj or not Cooler got beat by one it took an SSJ2 To kill cell who was being blasted from all derectuins and still was overpowering SSJ2
also SSJ2 Teen gohan wasn't half powered because he was just thi thinking it and he was just not confident so Any CELL would MASSACARE Friezas family even if they were 2 clones of each family and also the fact of Cell jrs are ssj bro Ssj is all it needs for each of freizas family
I would give this to cell. He is a lot stronger than the Androids who are a lot stronger than Trunks who beat Frieza effortlessly. Also King Cold hasn't proven he can beat anyone in DBZ making him 100% featless
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