Seems Im not the only one either. So why not? And Flag me for a bait thread? How is it a bait? I want to know others Opinions. Dont try derail this thread either. State your oppoinion as to why and move on. No need for this.
Seems Im not the only one either. So why not? And Flag me for a bait thread? How is it a bait? I want to know others Opinions. Dont try derail this thread either. State your oppoinion as to why and move on. No need for this.
you guys can't be serious...
Thats not debating. Thats Baiting.
This thread was made directly after you and a another user stressed over the same issue, with opposing view points actually.
and my reasoning? Celestials > cube beings, cube beings> sky fathers/hell lords.
Again a child Franklin blew an amped mephisto to atoms, mind you this same child Franklin more or less was a peer to the celestials in terms of power time and time again it's been stated and shown that Celestials surpass earth pantheons , helllords/ sky fathers alike even WITHIN their realms. They're tiers above.
Seems Im not the only one either. So why not? And Flag me for a bait thread? How is it a bait? I want to know others Opinions. Dont try derail this thread either. State your oppoinion as to why and move on. No need for this.
you guys can't be serious...
Thats not debating. Thats Baiting.
This thread was made directly after you and a another user stressed over the same issue, with opposing view points actually.
and my reasoning? Celestials > cube beings, cube beings> sky fathers/hell lords.
Again a child Franklin blew an amped mephisto to atoms, mind you this same child Franklin more or less was a peer to the celestials in terms of power time and time again it's been stated and shown that Celestials surpass earth pantheons , helllords/ sky fathers alike even WITHIN their realms. They're tiers above.
Problem with Franklin is ABC Logic. Franklin was a Pure Soul and Young child. It was Plot Driven and commented Franklin was a pure soul.
Even Roxane as stated by Mephisto is a Pure Soul and Mephisto couldn't touch Ghost Rider Blaze Soul by extent.
So your feat of Franklin means nothing and pure ABC Logic as how a average Celestial will do.
I wanted others opinion as such and no rule at all to ask for such. As plainly seen I now know for a fact Im not the only one who thinks overpowering Galactus in his realm means any Celestial could do better because Franklin had Plot device on his side..
Again dont make this a bait thread and post why you think Celestial would win both rounds? Im dying to see what scans or hidden knowledge you may have on it.
If Galactus can't do it. An average Celestial couldn't. A high tier Celestial might... But the OP isn't talking about a high tier.
Galactus just started absorbing Mephisto's realm, till Mephisto conceded to Galactus to stop and leave. What exactly was it that Galactus couldn't do?? Galactus or Celestials are/should be well above skyfathers, Hell Lords etc whether in their realm or not!
Seems Im not the only one either. So why not? And Flag me for a bait thread? How is it a bait? I want to know others Opinions. Dont try derail this thread either. State your oppoinion as to why and move on. No need for this.
you guys can't be serious...
Thats not debating. Thats Baiting.
This thread was made directly after you and a another user stressed over the same issue, with opposing view points actually.
and my reasoning? Celestials > cube beings, cube beings> sky fathers/hell lords.
Again a child Franklin blew an amped mephisto to atoms, mind you this same child Franklin more or less was a peer to the celestials in terms of power time and time again it's been stated and shown that Celestials surpass earth pantheons , helllords/ sky fathers alike even WITHIN their realms. They're tiers above.
Problem with Franklin is ABC Logic. Franklin was a Pure Soul and Young child. It was Plot Driven and commented Franklin was a pure soul.
Even Roxane as stated by Mephisto is a Pure Soul and Mephisto couldn't touch Ghost Rider Blaze Soul by extent.
So your feat of Franklin means nothing and pure ABC Logic as how a average Celestial will do.
I wanted others opinion as such and no rule at all to ask for such. As plainly seen I now know for a fact Im not the only one who thinks overpowering Galactus in his realm means any Celestial could do better because Franklin had Plot device on his side..
Again dont make this a bait thread and post why you think Celestial would win both rounds? Im dying to see what scans or hidden knowledge you may have on it.
wasn't pure ABC logic, with the superiority established over sky fathers it is WELL within their limits to dominate hell-lords rather or not. And Johnny GR may have some some resistanc but far as franklin it goes way beyond innocence. If that were the case than Mephisto would of been blown to atoms as well. The fact is this same child was humbled my ashema. More of less 3 amped sky fathers were treated as children by the Celestials. And you still failed to counter the cube being argument, Cube beings are well above sky fathers Celestials are their superior as well. Realm or not the fact that this is even up for debate is ludicrous.
If Galactus can't do it. An average Celestial couldn't. A high tier Celestial might... But the OP isn't talking about a high tier.
Galactus just started absorbing Mephisto's realm, till Mephisto conceded to Galactus to stop and leave. What exactly was it that Galactus couldn't do?? Galactus or Celestials are/should be well above skyfathers, Hell Lords etc whether in their realm or not!
Galactus failed to OVERPOWER Mephisto and had to receive the idea of adsorbing magical energy and soul energy (All BS as Galactus never did this before with Magical or soul energy) from Silver Surfer.
As seen. Galactus was going to lose hard till Silver Surfer suggested the idea to do what Galactus never had doen before then. Plot Driven as hell.
@X_insignia1 said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@X_insignia1 said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@X_insignia1: why not?
@XiiX said:
Round 1. Celestial
Round 2. Mephisto
I agree with this as well.
Seems Im not the only one either. So why not? And Flag me for a bait thread? How is it a bait? I want to know others Opinions. Dont try derail this thread either. State your oppoinion as to why and move on. No need for this.
you guys can't be serious...
Thats not debating. Thats Baiting.
This thread was made directly after you and a another user stressed over the same issue, with opposing view points actually.
and my reasoning? Celestials > cube beings, cube beings> sky fathers/hell lords.
Again a child Franklin blew an amped mephisto to atoms, mind you this same child Franklin more or less was a peer to the celestials in terms of power time and time again it's been stated and shown that Celestials surpass earth pantheons , helllords/ sky fathers alike even WITHIN their realms. They're tiers above.
Problem with Franklin is ABC Logic. Franklin was a Pure Soul and Young child. It was Plot Driven and commented Franklin was a pure soul.
Even Roxane as stated by Mephisto is a Pure Soul and Mephisto couldn't touch Ghost Rider Blaze Soul by extent.
So your feat of Franklin means nothing and pure ABC Logic as how a average Celestial will do.
I wanted others opinion as such and no rule at all to ask for such. As plainly seen I now know for a fact Im not the only one who thinks overpowering Galactus in his realm means any Celestial could do better because Franklin had Plot device on his side..
Again dont make this a bait thread and post why you think Celestial would win both rounds? Im dying to see what scans or hidden knowledge you may have on it.
wasn't pure ABC logic, with the superiority established over sky fathers it is WELL within their limits to dominate hell-lords rather or not. And Johnny GR may have some some resistanc but far as franklin it goes way beyond innocence. If that were the case than Mephisto would of been blown to atoms as well. The fact is this same child was humbled my ashema. More of less 3 amped sky fathers were treated as children by the Celestials. And you still failed to counter the cube being argument, Cube beings are well above sky fathers Celestials are their superior as well. Realm or not the fact that this is even up for debate is ludicrous.
Your using ABC Logic that Franklin (who is not a celestial in any way) with his Pure Soul beat Mephisto in his realm so that must mean a Average Celestial can too. How is that NOT ABC logic?
Franklin has a Pure Soul
Not a Celestial
Nowhere near as powerful as Ashema.
vs
Average Celestial
No pure Soul
Maybe no soul at all
This is your comparison. That is clear ABC Logic.
If a average Galactus failed utterly to overpower Mephisto than how should a avergae Celstial do it? Feed on his Magical Realm as well? I dont think Silver Surfer or WIS is there to give Celestial that Idea or power to do that.
It litterally took thousands of them just to push Ego back into the Bioverse.
And people here are saying an average Celestial can beat Mephisto in both rounds?
BUUUUUUUT Odin,Vishnu and Zeus struggled against one,I thought DC took it far with the Martians(millions of creatures of which only 2 maybe 3 could push their own planet) but Celestials take the cake, a billion Galactus' running around? LMAO,good thing they're neutral.
It litterally took thousands of them just to push Ego back into the Bioverse.
And people here are saying an average Celestial can beat Mephisto in both rounds?
BUUUUUUUT Odin,Vishnu and Zeus struggled against one,I thought DC took it far with the Martians(millions of creatures of which only 2 maybe 3 could push their own planet) but Celestials take the cake, a billion Galactus' running around? LMAO,good thing they're neutral.
Actually it was 9 Celestials and one of them was more powerful than the rest.
Also Mephisto in the second round is in his Realm where he was beating a average Galactus till PIS kicked in.
If Galactus can't do it. An average Celestial couldn't. A high tier Celestial might... But the OP isn't talking about a high tier.
Galactus just started absorbing Mephisto's realm, till Mephisto conceded to Galactus to stop and leave. What exactly was it that Galactus couldn't do?? Galactus or Celestials are/should be well above skyfathers, Hell Lords etc whether in their realm or not!
Galactus failed to OVERPOWER Mephisto and had to receive the idea of adsorbing magical energy and soul energy (All BS as Galactus never did this before with Magical or soul energy) from Silver Surfer.
As seen. Galactus was going to lose hard till Silver Surfer suggested the idea to do what Galactus never had doen before then. Plot Driven as hell.
@X_insignia1 said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@X_insignia1 said:
@CadenceV2 said:
@X_insignia1: why not?
@XiiX said:
Round 1. Celestial
Round 2. Mephisto
I agree with this as well.
Seems Im not the only one either. So why not? And Flag me for a bait thread? How is it a bait? I want to know others Opinions. Dont try derail this thread either. State your oppoinion as to why and move on. No need for this.
you guys can't be serious...
Thats not debating. Thats Baiting.
This thread was made directly after you and a another user stressed over the same issue, with opposing view points actually.
and my reasoning? Celestials > cube beings, cube beings> sky fathers/hell lords.
Again a child Franklin blew an amped mephisto to atoms, mind you this same child Franklin more or less was a peer to the celestials in terms of power time and time again it's been stated and shown that Celestials surpass earth pantheons , helllords/ sky fathers alike even WITHIN their realms. They're tiers above.
Problem with Franklin is ABC Logic. Franklin was a Pure Soul and Young child. It was Plot Driven and commented Franklin was a pure soul.
Even Roxane as stated by Mephisto is a Pure Soul and Mephisto couldn't touch Ghost Rider Blaze Soul by extent.
So your feat of Franklin means nothing and pure ABC Logic as how a average Celestial will do.
I wanted others opinion as such and no rule at all to ask for such. As plainly seen I now know for a fact Im not the only one who thinks overpowering Galactus in his realm means any Celestial could do better because Franklin had Plot device on his side..
Again dont make this a bait thread and post why you think Celestial would win both rounds? Im dying to see what scans or hidden knowledge you may have on it.
wasn't pure ABC logic, with the superiority established over sky fathers it is WELL within their limits to dominate hell-lords rather or not. And Johnny GR may have some some resistanc but far as franklin it goes way beyond innocence. If that were the case than Mephisto would of been blown to atoms as well. The fact is this same child was humbled my ashema. More of less 3 amped sky fathers were treated as children by the Celestials. And you still failed to counter the cube being argument, Cube beings are well above sky fathers Celestials are their superior as well. Realm or not the fact that this is even up for debate is ludicrous.
Your using ABC Logic that Franklin (who is not a celestial in any way) with his Pure Soul beat Mephisto in his realm so that must mean a Average Celestial can too. How is that NOT ABC logic?
Franklin has a Pure Soul
Not a Celestial
Nowhere near as powerful as Ashema.
vs
Average Celestial
No pure Soul
Maybe no soul at all
This is your comparison. That is clear ABC Logic.
If a average Galactus failed utterly to overpower Mephisto than how should a avergae Celstial do it? Feed on his Magical Realm as well? I dont think Silver Surfer or WIS is there to give Celestial that Idea or power to do that.
For one, your average Celestial is a bit stronger than your average Galactus, which was actually stated by marvel( i'll post the comment from the editor later, it's on a flash drive that's not with me". And the fact that you're trying to apply Franklin's feat alone due to his soul alone and not any to hs power is faulty all together.
and again did Roxxane blow Mephisto to bits due to her soul purity?
For one, your average Celestial is a bit stronger than your average Galactus, which was actually stated by marvel( i'll post the comment from the editor later, it's on a flash drive that's not with me". And the fact that you're trying to apply Franklin's feat alone due to his soul alone and not any to hs power is faulty all together.
and again did Roxxane blow Mephisto to bits due to her soul purity?
you've got to be kidding me son.
I actually like to see that editorial. Its funny cause the Celestial punked out during the Cancerverse Event while Galactus was a champ. Also the Fact Galactus took out multiple Celestials at once says alot too.
Roxxane never blew Mephisto. Merely negated any power he was trying to perform. Heck Black Panther Ancestor Nobel and Pure souls overpowered Mephisto.
Its a simple fact. Pure Souls have a major negative effect on Mephisto in and out of his realm. Could Franklin done that again without the Pure soul? Probaly not.
For one, your average Celestial is a bit stronger than your average Galactus, which was actually stated by marvel( i'll post the comment from the editor later, it's on a flash drive that's not with me". And the fact that you're trying to apply Franklin's feat alone due to his soul alone and not any to hs power is faulty all together.
and again did Roxxane blow Mephisto to bits due to her soul purity?
you've got to be kidding me son.
I actually like to see that editorial. Its funny cause the Celestial punked out during the Cancerverse Event while Galactus was a champ. Also the Fact Galactus took out multiple Celestials at once says alot too.
Roxxane never blew Mephisto. Merely negated any power he was trying to perform. Heck Black Panther Ancestor Nobel and Pure souls overpowered Mephisto.
Its a simple fact. Pure Souls have a major negative effect on Mephisto in and out of his realm. Could Franklin done that again without the Pure soul? Probaly not.
So what? Nowhere does it state the Celestials are Higher than a Hell Lord in his Dimension. Also the Grandmaster is a lower tier. He is no more awsome than say Runner, Ego, or Champion!
That seems like very old and retcon material.
If so powerful why so many had to be brought to fend off Super Ego?
So what? Nowhere does it state the Celestials are Higher than a Hell Lord in his Dimension. Also the Grandmaster is a lower tier. He is no more awsome than say Runner, Ego, or Champion!
That seems like very old and retcon material.
If so powerful why so many had to be brought to fend off Super Ego?
reading is fundamental guy, you asked to see where it was stated that the average Celestial surpassed an average Galactus. I simply supplied the evidence.
@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Nothing other than a gauge of power. We know Galactus has stomp Celestials and been stomped and Mephisto epic battle against G in his realm is the gauge being used.
@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Nothing other than a gauge of power. We know Galactus has stomp Celestials and been stomped and Mephisto epic battle against G in his realm is the gauge being used.
When did Galactus stomp Celestials? I recall he was quite surprised when Thanos destroyed one with ease when he had the hotu.
@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Nothing other than a gauge of power. We know Galactus has stomp Celestials and been stomped and Mephisto epic battle against G in his realm is the gauge being used.
When did Galactus stomp Celestials? I recall he was quite surprised when Thanos destroyed one with ease when he had the hotu.
He wasted one Celestial while fighting a 4 on 1 match!
Yes, I do recall reading those issues, but that doesn't generally put Galactus above Celestials in general, imo and they did take him out after that. When stacked up against Celestials of caliber, like Arishem, Toaa, Exitar, Dreaming Celestial, it's a different story. It's hard to gauge, really, cause I wouldn't put either above the other. I just dislike when people make comments that Galactus s above Celestials, I just find that so broad and general.
@LubeMan: Galactus was jacked up after eating 4 planets just for that encounter, reasonable to believe that Galactus from FF : War of 4 Cities was a bit more powerful than what we are normally used to seeing.
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