#1 Edited by XiiX (12408 posts) - - Show Bio
#2 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

Um yea. In fact they can take on a million of them by capturing Eternity like both Mephisto and Dormammu did and killing him.

#3 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

P.S: Galactus lives in Eternity so if Eternity goes, so does Galactus.

#4 Posted by XiiX (12408 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja: Only direct confrontation between the 5 contestants(no outside characters involved).

#5 Posted by ChaosBlazer (4003 posts) - - Show Bio

Team wins both rounds

#6 Posted by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

The team should win this.

#7 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

@XiiX said:

@Grand Ninja: Only direct confrontation between the 5 contestants(no outside characters involved).

Mephisto can hold his own against a moderately powered Galactus, and Dormammu is more powerful than Mephisto and the Elder Gods. If Galactus is 100% powered, he might physically destroy Dormammu's body, but Dormammu will likely manifest a new body the next second the old one vanishes. If that happens, Galactus would need to find some planets to eat or else he looses badly.

That's the con about Galactus. He can weaken regardless if he's at full power or not.

Dormammu and Mephisto can't be weaken...... Their powers are constant. They'll always be at 100% while Galactus can start at 100% and then gradually drop to 90%, 80%, 70% 60% etc. etc....

#8 Posted by XiiX (12408 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja: For the sake of this match, assume his power-levels are consistent throughout the duration of the bout.

#9 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

@XiiX: He will still lose because unlike Galactus, Dormammu is a non physical entity. He can manifest a physically illusion of himself, but his body isn't made out of atoms and molecules.... Galactus can only use his power to effect reality of the 4 major fundamentals of the universe. His powers are COSMIC.... Not magic.

#10 Posted by Pwok21 (2464 posts) - - Show Bio

Dormammu and Mephisto kill Big G whilst Neron and Mordru have a Coke and some Popcorn.

#11 Edited by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

If Mordu is using a principality just like Strange uses the Vishanti, even he could beat Galactus. He could enshield himself with the Shield of the Seraphim and there would be no way Galactus could break it, unless he knows a magic to counter it.... But Galactus doesn't know magic like Eternity and Living Tribunal does.

#12 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

The reason why Eternity is so powerful is not because his personal power of the Power Cosmic.... He is in fact known to be one of the most powerful magic users in the Marvel Universe and Living Tribunal even surpasses Eternity in magic.

#13 Edited by blackadamFTW (7882 posts) - - Show Bio

People really overestimate Galactus.

#14 Posted by fondofpacman (584 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja: Dormammu actually does have a material body. He was a Faltine, a powerful being of pure energy, and he and Umar had an unusual obsession with power and physical matter; other Faltines regard matter as unclean and thus thought the two of them to be insane. Eventually Dormammu and Umar killed and absorbed their father, Sinifer, and were banished from the Faltine's dimension...this is why you won't see Dormammu invoke the power of the "Flames of the Faltine" like Dr. Strange can, the other Faltines won't lend them their powers. After being banished, Dormammu and Umar eventually absorbed matter and gained physical bodies, then they found the Dark Dimension.

#15 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

@fondofpacman said:

@Grand Ninja: Dormammu actually does have a material body. He was a Faltine, a powerful being of pure energy, and he and Umar had an unusual obsession with power and physical matter; other Faltines regard matter as unclean and thus thought the two of them to be insane. Eventually Dormammu and Umar killed and absorbed their father, Sinifer, and were banished from the Faltine's dimension...this is why you won't see Dormammu invoke the power of the "Flames of the Faltine" like Dr. Strange can, the other Faltines won't lend them their powers. After being banished, Dormammu and Umar eventually absorbed matter and gained physical bodies, then they found the Dark Dimension.

Actually, they're not made out of pure energy by physics. They (as the Faltine) are made out of non physical mystic energy of their dimension whatever that energy is. But as I said earlier, that physical body that they borrowed from the fundamentals of physics that they use to manifest to interact with the physical plane is manifested by their will and that being of their will despite that physical representation of themselves are destroyed can will back another physical body. Galactus is different, he's by nature of the cosmic, pure physical energy. Galactus is natural to the physical plane of existence (in Eternity's realm) while Dormammu and other outside deities like Agamotto, Hoggoth, Cyttorak, Shuma, Zom are not....

This is why Galactus presence roaming about inside Eternity's realm is not considered hostile and when entities from another reality outside of Eternity's realm enter, they are considered to be choatic to the natural balance of the (Eternity) universe.

#16 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

"This is why Galactus presence roaming about inside Eternity's realm is not considered hostile and when entities from another reality outside of Eternity's realm enter, they are considered to be choatic to the natural balance of the (Eternity) universe."

---Because none in Eternity (including Eternity itself) doesn't know what kind of energy it is...... Thus --- Magic....

#17 Posted by fondofpacman (584 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja: Regardless of the type of energy that encompass faltines, my use of the word "pure" was meant to describe how they are nothing more than energy. And IMO, Dormammu is not Dormammu without the matter that encompass his physical body, that's what makes makes him physically different from other faltines. When he battled Dr. Strange in a physical fight with the other gods and principalities watching, that was a fight with his physical body, which represents how matter, in addition to his original faltine energy, is part of what and who he is.

But yes, I agree with you that he'd survive even if his physical body were destroyed, although I'm not sure if he could easily will the matter of his body back in place afterward.

#18 Posted by Killemall (18790 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja said:

Um yea. In fact they can take on a million of them by capturing Eternity like both Mephisto and Dormammu did and killing him.

Neither Memphisto nor Dormammu has what it takes to kill Eternity though, but yeah Galactus they will punk him together.

#19 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@Grand Ninja said:

Um yea. In fact they can take on a million of them by capturing Eternity like both Mephisto and Dormammu did and killing him.

Neither Memphisto nor Dormammu has what it takes to kill Eternity though, but yeah Galactus they will punk him together.

Mephisto did capture Eternity and threatened to destroy him if Beyonder lost against Juggernaut. And Dormammu actually did destroy one of the Eternitys.

#20 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja said:

@Killemall said:

@Grand Ninja said:

Um yea. In fact they can take on a million of them by capturing Eternity like both Mephisto and Dormammu did and killing him.

Neither Memphisto nor Dormammu has what it takes to kill Eternity though, but yeah Galactus they will punk him together.

Mephisto did capture Eternity and threatened to destroy him if Beyonder lost against Juggernaut. And Dormammu actually did destroy one of the Eternitys.

For the less known fact, Juggernaut did face Beyonder. Mephisto hired him with 200 other villians to fight against Beyonder. Thing was the only odd ball of the group since he wasn't a villian and Mephisto gave Thing additional strength and durability to help Juggernaut, but in the end Thing turned around the defeated the other 200 villians for Beyonder and Mephisto claiming that despite that, Juggernaut was the only candidate that champions over all (Including upgraded Thing) because of the power of Cyttorak. If I can find scans, I'll post them as soon as I can.

#21 Posted by BringnIt (3859 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamFTW I don't know if it's a matter of overestimating him, so much as his showings are all over the place.

#22 Posted by Killemall (18790 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja said:

Mephisto did capture Eternity and threatened to destroy him if Beyonder lost against Juggernaut. And Dormammu actually did destroy one of the Eternitys.

Memphisto captured Eternity, that much is true and its from Secret Wars 2 but threatening to kill someone doesnt automatically mean that he could kill Eternity on his own accord.

Beyonder never even fought Juggernaut, an amped up version of Thing did while Beyonder was in a beach being a douche.

Dormammu has killed eternity once and that was with Umar, however, i have see people use an out of context scan to show Dormammu killed eternity, where Dormammu destroys his body in order to kill eternity and all he manages to do was destroy himself while nothing was stated to happen to eternity.

@Grand Ninja said:

For the less known fact, Juggernaut did face Beyonder. Mephisto hired him with 200 other villians to fight against Beyonder. Thing was the only odd ball of the group since he wasn't a villian and Mephisto gave Thing additional strength and durability to help Juggernaut, but in the end Thing turned around the defeated the other 200 villians for Beyonder and Mephisto claiming that despite that, Juggernaut was the only candidate that champions over all (Including upgraded Thing) because of the power of Cyttorak. If I can find scans, I'll post them as soon as I can.

I have read secret wars 2 and i know of this instance and it was thing who was sent alone to fight Beyonder with the upgraded powers. It was only after the upgraded thing didnt do jack they sent the rest of the power house which thing ended up fighting himself. Beyonder was all the while on the beach.

#23 Posted by Grand Ninja (2606 posts) - - Show Bio

@Killemall said:

@Grand Ninja said:

Mephisto did capture Eternity and threatened to destroy him if Beyonder lost against Juggernaut. And Dormammu actually did destroy one of the Eternitys.

Memphisto captured Eternity, that much is true and its from Secret Wars 2 but threatening to kill someone doesnt automatically mean that he could kill Eternity on his own accord.

Beyonder never even fought Juggernaut, an amped up version of Thing did while Beyonder was in a beach being a douche.

Dormammu has killed eternity once and that was with Umar, however, i have see people use an out of context scan to show Dormammu killed eternity, where Dormammu destroys his body in order to kill eternity and all he manages to do was destroy himself while nothing was stated to happen to eternity.

@Grand Ninja said:

For the less known fact, Juggernaut did face Beyonder. Mephisto hired him with 200 other villians to fight against Beyonder. Thing was the only odd ball of the group since he wasn't a villian and Mephisto gave Thing additional strength and durability to help Juggernaut, but in the end Thing turned around the defeated the other 200 villians for Beyonder and Mephisto claiming that despite that, Juggernaut was the only candidate that champions over all (Including upgraded Thing) because of the power of Cyttorak. If I can find scans, I'll post them as soon as I can.

I have read secret wars 2 and i know of this instance and it was thing who was sent alone to fight Beyonder with the upgraded powers. It was only after the upgraded thing didnt do jack they sent the rest of the power house which thing ended up fighting himself. Beyonder was all the while on the beach.

The Juggernaut was the one that was face to face with Beyonder. If he so much as touched him Eternity would have died. If you remember, Mephisto captured Eternity and placed him into this machine so that if Beyonder looses, so does Eternity and Mephisto gets to collect all the souls. Juggernaut was the 1st person he had in mind to face the Beyonder because of quote, "He is the Champion due to his invulnerability". The others were used to distract Beyonder until Thing intervened. But the fact of the matter is that while Juggernaut was faced to face with Beyonder the magical machine that was holding Eternity was overloading due to the two forces (Cyttorak + Beyonder). Mephisto knew what he was doing. He chose Juggernaut because he recognizes the power of Cyttorak, but didn't want to worship him so he hired Juggernaut.

#24 Posted by Magethor (1128 posts) - - Show Bio

You guys are giving Galactus too much credit.

#25 Posted by asIsuspected (566 posts) - - Show Bio

@Magethor said:

You guys are giving Galactus too much credit.

exactly

#26 Posted by logy5000 (6831 posts) - - Show Bio

Team effortlessly.

#27 Posted by rolldestroyer (3544 posts) - - Show Bio

team one most likely wins.

#28 Posted by GhostRider2 (4191 posts) - - Show Bio

Galactus is up there but against this team he can't win.

#29 Posted by Pokergeist (23180 posts) - - Show Bio

Dormammu can solo.

Mephisto in his Realm already overpowered Galactus. Galactus had to survive Mephisto's Realm via Plot device.

Mordu is a non factor.

Neron.... who is Neron again?

Anyway Glactus gets curb stomp.

#30 Posted by TheSecondOpinion (625 posts) - - Show Bio

Someone doesn't like Galactus. *cough* OP

#32 Posted by MichaelJulius (619 posts) - - Show Bio

Dormammu in our universes normal outer space is going to get fried from the wake of the battle between Galactus and Mephisto. The other Hell Lords would incinerate along with Dormammu while Mephisto rips Galactus a new one. Team is a non factor in normal space, Mephito wins despite being part of a team. No evidence to support Mephisto losing his powers outside of his realm. He was all smiles in the fight with Galactus until Big G couldnt take the heat and tried to eat the battlefield. My paypal funds are on Mephisto because Galactus has low stamina and needs to feed too often, and I don't think Mephisto would care in the slightest if Galactus tried to absorb space around their battle. As soon as Galactus tried to absorb something, Mephisto would have free access to pummel him. I can't see Big G winning this.

#33 Edited by Spartan101 (3564 posts) - - Show Bio

@Grand Ninja said:

Um yea. In fact they can take on a million of them by capturing Eternity like both Mephisto and Dormammu did and killing him.

Neither Memphisto nor Dormammu has what it takes to kill Eternity though, but yeah Galactus they will punk him together.

#34 Edited by Asmodeus12345 (801 posts) - - Show Bio

@michaeljulius: Aren't you forgetting Dormammu scaring Mephisto out of his Realm during Hellcat? Creating Satannish that is like equal or superior to Mephisto? Or....How about Mephisto saying that he is supreme on his Realm? If he didn't lose power outside then he didn't need to say that, or the fact that he did struggle with Thor and Surfer there too? And lost to Ghost Rider there a lot of times? As well he losing to Black Panther with prep, Hulk smashing him, Nightcrawler sucker punching him, Valkyrie damaging him, Captain America damaging him too, being scared of Cul, as well other things?

#35 Posted by galactus1967 (882 posts) - - Show Bio

@blackadamftw: The op did not explain how many planets galactus has fed on,fed on 4 planets G takes this.(he did one shot and kill a celestial in this state).on one planet he goes down after a long fight.Remember he usually fights these beings on their home turf,not in space!

#36 Posted by galactus1967 (882 posts) - - Show Bio

@michaeljulius: Mephisto,does indeed lose power when he leaves his realm.Scrier was able to temporarily kill him in an old Surfer comic,also in infinity gauntlet 3 he bargins with thanos and warlock.for a cosmic cube.warlock says don`t you have powers on that level in your own realm?He says yes but that power is restricted to my own realm!

#37 Posted by Jmarshmallow (11926 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody solos, but the Team definitely wins.

Don't even know why Mordru is here though.

Jmarshmallow

#38 Posted by Fufuh (108 posts) - - Show Bio

What Mephisto and Dormammu has done OUTSIDE of their realms that is that impressive? Really curious to see why people think they can stomp a bloodlusted and well-fed Galactus on neutral ground.

#39 Posted by Apocalypse3 (2613 posts) - - Show Bio
#40 Edited by MichaelJulius (619 posts) - - Show Bio

A few things rolling around in my head over this. Not at all imposing my view as undeniable or anything, its just my opinion :)

-Dormammu gets beat by Spiderman and Dr. Strange once he enters normal space.

-Mephisto's power is already too far ahead of Galactus for it to matter. If he had to fight Mephisto in normal space, his power would decrease but its not going to be like Dormammu and instantly lose all its leathality. It will deplete over time, just like Galactus's power. That is just my opinion though. If Mephisto wanted to end Galactus even in normal space after just stepping out of his own realm, I think he could do it before he loses too much of his own power.

-No such thing as a well fed Galactus. Galactus feeds on planets life energy to satiate his physical self. Galactus cannot use the power cosmic to satiate his own hunger, so I dont believe that Galactus can do the reverse. I dont think the energy of planets he uses to keep himself alive can become more powerful than the Power Cosmic. The two things are entirely different and have nothing to do with each other. One planet of energy is enough to get him by, but this fully fed BS is just that, BS. Galactus would take thousands of years, millions even to absorb the entire energy collection of a galaxy. Galactus has no limit to his apitite, so might be literally infinite. He would have to absorb The One Above All to become Fully Fed, so that isn't ever going to happen. And even then, the energy of his physical existence has nothing to do with the Power Cosmic.

1.) Can Galactus absorb the entire universe? Sure, why not. But it will take him billions of years maybe.

2.) Can Galactus destroy the entire universe in his normal state? Nope.

3.) Can Mephisto destroy the entire universe? Nope.

4.) Was Mephisto laughing and having a fun time while fighting Galactus? Yep.

5.) Can Galactus use the Power Cosmic to fill his apitite and extend his need for sustenance? Nope.

6.) Can Galactus absorb planets and life energy and use that energy in the form of an attack? Yep. However, it takes Galactus a while to eat just one Planet, let alone an entire Galaxy. The entire collective energy of one galaxy doesn't register to Mephisto, Galactus, Odin, ect ect ect so its not practical for Galactus to even use or think about.

Summed up = The Power Cosmic isn't made more potent by Galactus absorbing life energies. But, Galactus can use that energy for offensive or defensive attacks instead of satiating himself.

Still, I think Mephisto wins.

#41 Posted by galactus1967 (882 posts) - - Show Bio

@grand_ninja: Thats not it at all,Mephisto created a machine called Beyonders bane.When showing death this machine he said when the Beyonder killed you,then bought you back.that the power he used would have eventually flowed back to him.But I trapped it in my machine instead,and I have the consent of every cosmic being in the universe to use their power at the moment I need it.Because my gunner is Eternity himself,Isn`t it wonderful my dear Eternity is actually giving up at least a 5th of the universe to kill the Beyonder.

#42 Edited by PabloSL (1124 posts) - - Show Bio

@pokergeist: dormammu solo? nah, anyone here would get horribly stomped, except dormammu and mephisto if they are in their own realms, otherwise they won't last a fraction of a second against a well fed galactus.

The team should take it tho

@michaeljulius: thats laughable, mephisto almost got beaten by galactus in his own damn realm....

#43 Edited by Asmodeus12345 (801 posts) - - Show Bio

@michaeljulius: He never got beaten by Spider-Man in the 616 and he stomped Strange more times than Mephisto did and per Strange own words Dormammu is his most powerful enemy and more powerful than him, and Dormammu already stomped Mephisto too, so I don't know what you're talking about, and taking Cyttorak own words: '' A power of a Hell-Lord in his own domain is beyond natural law'', that means they get a lot more powerful.

Galactus stomped Odin, and if you want to use that logic Odin defeat Mephisto in his own Realm in a Alternate Reality, but it's not valide IMO, and Mephisto loses to weaker opponents everyday, so I don't see what you're talking about again, one of his best feats outside of his Realm is one-shotting Surfer, but in another encounter he failed to do so. Also, I see you putting Dormammu in the same level as Gladiator which is on Thor and Surfer level, and Dormammu did one-shott this guys more than one time, and Gladiator failed to destroy a planet with just one strike and is at best Solar System level with High-End feats, while Pre-Faltine Form Dormammu was absorbing entire Universes and one version FAR WEAKER on the GotG could already one-shott one Solar System. Heck, one version was even put as a ''Anti-Eternity'' like the original Chaos King.

#44 Edited by Asmodeus12345 (801 posts) - - Show Bio

@fufuh: Nothing, I agree about Dormammu winning against a Starving Galactus in his realm, but not outside, much less well-fed.

#45 Posted by galactus1967 (882 posts) - - Show Bio

@michaeljulius: I can tell we will never agree on Galactus power levels(but it`s all good).in his bio it even states when prepairing for an enormous energy expenditure,Galactus may consume more planets to increase his power.And when he battled Mephisto in his own realm,it was a stalemate until the Surfer suggested to G through telepathy to change tactics(entire galaxies where being threatened).Thats when G started feeding on Mephisto`s realm,And he gave up right away!And I think an amped Galactus could destroy the universe,or he could simply use the ultimate nullifier.And in an f.F arc from about 20 years ago,G was as large as a galaxy.And he was eating the universe preety fast,until reed richards thwew the nullifier to hi and Galactus himself earased that entire time line.and that was the future 616 marvel universe.so instead of destroying a universe G actually has always tried to save it!

#46 Edited by galactus1967 (882 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: Eternity was a willing participant,in the beyonder`s bane fiasco.After it failed they even say,he strolled away majestically back to his position as per representing the universe,my friend.

#48 Edited by XiiX (12408 posts) - - Show Bio