MCU VS DCCU Semi Finals: Lol_gg_no_re VS Chrometitan Closed

The tournament is comprised of two teams, one representing and using characters from the MCU, the other using characters from the various DCCU's. Each team has ten members, with each member using two characters from their respective universe to do battle.

Here are some of the ground rules:

-Teams have perfect teamwork. Hero's will work with villains no problem.

-Morals on. A hero won't kill, a villain will. However, a hero won't stop his villain team mate from killing.

-No BFR

-All characters come with standard equipment.

-Once voting is declared open, the voting will be left open for four days. Voting closes at the end of the fourth day.

-The number of posts in each debate can be agreed upon by the debaters.

-If a post is left unanswered without explanation for more than four days, that participant forfeits.

-Keep it civil guys, any excessive personal insults and you'll forfeit

Lol_gg_no_re (TEAM DCCU)

- Firestorm

- Arsenal

-Semi's Bonus: Chitauri from The Avengers

VS

Chrometitan (TEAM MCU)

- Gamora

- Ultron Drone

-Semi's Bonus: Lycan from Underworld

Powers

Nuclear physiology: Firestorm gets his powers from the nuclear energy his body creates. This energy is the source of his pyrokinetic powers. It can also be speculated that Firestorm could in fact transmute atomic bonds but has yet to demonstrate it.

Plasma generation: As Firestorm, Ronnie can cover parts of his body in a fiery plasma He can deliver concussive blasts of flames from his hands.

Fire Immunity: It can be presumed that with his plasma manipulation comes immunity to heat and fire

Flight: Firestorm can generate enough propulsion from his hands to simulate flight and fly at high speeds. He can collide with objects and surfaces like a missile and cause an explosion by flying into them and be unharmed as his own energy shields him from the physical force he is exposed to, though only in his completely fiery state.

Abilities

Expert engineer: Through Ronnie Raymond, Firestorm is an expert in engineering, as evidenced by the fact that he helped Eobard Thawne build the particle accelerator.

Skilled in using Morse code: Through Martin Stein, Firestorm is familiar enough and able to construct Morse code messages without having to look it up.

Multilingual: Through Ronnie and Martin, Firestorm is capable of fluently speaking English, French and Hebrew.

Abilities

Peak of human physical condition: As a street fighter and vigilante, Roy is shown to be in top physical condition from his intense exercises in the Arrowcave. Due to his youth, Roy is faster than Oliver.

Honed sense: Roy was able to pick up the Arrow's presence who was behind him without needing to see him.

High tolerance for pain: Having spent years fighting in the streets and having spent much of his time as a vigilante, Roy has been injured countless times, resulting in him developing an incredible tolerance for pain.

Free running/Acrobatics: In "Dodger", when attempting to flee from Thea and Laurel, Roy showed he could easily scale a fence multiple meters high in one fluid movement, making use of a nearby wall to provide leverage. In "Broken Dolls", Roy is shown to be fast enough to catch up with Sin. In the season 3 premiere, he does a double flip off a car. During fights he used no handed carthwheels and b twists.

Expert hand-to-hand combatant/Martial artist: Having grown up in the Glades all his life, Roy had taught himself to fight back. In "The Huntress Returns", Roy was able to hold out on his own while fighting three thugs, even using the wall to build up centripetal force, jumping over one the thugs and strike him down. In "Sacrifice", he took out two thugs without taking a hit from them, by flipping the second thug onto the then down first thug. In "City of Heroes", he has shown an inability to fight more than three opponents simultaneously, including when they wield weapons. He later received training from Oliver and Sara and became a way more skilled fighter. His improved skills became able to fight with Mirakuru-enhanced soldiers and A.R.G.U.S soldiers. In "Broken Arrow", Roy was able to while handcuffed swiftly defeat three much larger inmates with only a minor wound. He was also able to handle himself against league of assassin's members, although not being able to beat Chase.

Expert archer: When he joined Oliver's vigilante team, Roy was trained in archery by Oliver, although not being any good at first he improves and manages to get lucky a few times. By the season 3 premiere Roy was able to shoot the tires of a moving truck without missing. When Komodo had a rope around the ankle of his target Roy was able to cut the rope with a shot. Through season 3, he proved to have become a excellent archer.

Expert marksman/Firearms: In "Identity", Roy is shown to be skilled enough to throw a flechette, straight at Oliver's face (under the guise of the Arrow), which Oliver managed to catch, Roy has good accuracy despite the fact that he was not trained in archery at that time. He later received training from Oliver and became a much more skilled marksman. It can be assumed that Roy skilled in the use of firearms, as he used to own several different types of guns.

Expert stick fighter: Roy is shown to be an expert stick fighter, as seen from his fights in "Sara", and "The Brave and the Bold", against Simon Lacroix and Digger Harkness. He was trained by Oliver and possibly Sara Lance. Also, like Oliver he often uses his bow as a melee weapon.

Expert scout: Roy is an extremely capable scout. Combined with his training, Oliver regularly sends him out alone to scout Starling City for any crimes. He was also capable of even tracking Nyssa, a high figure in the League of Assassins seemingly without her knowing.

High-level intellect/Expert tactician: Roy is very intelligent and is a capable tactician, In "Broken Arrow", he was able to come up with a plan, that would exonerate Oliver of being the Arrow, and faked his own death.

Expert driver: Roy has the ability to drive multiple vehicles, and appears to be skilled at it. He is able to pursue enemies in various ways using different vehicles, known to be of a car or a motorcycle.

Expert mechanic: Roy has skills as a mechanic, he was seen fixing a car as Jason.

First aid: Roy is shown to be skilled in first aid, being able to sew up slashes due to the fact that he was taught by John Diggle.

Network: Roy has connections on the streets, he was able to get information on the woman in black which points to her friend Sin, and learn the diamonds Murmur's crew stole are used to make diamond bullets.

Expert thief: Roy has a history of B&E's and theft, he stole Thea's purse and was able to escape, though he was later arrested and released. He has some skills at hot wiring a car, as he and Thea were in a car he claimed to have borrowed illegally.

Equipment

Customized Recurve Bow: Roy was trained in archery by Oliver Queen and use in battle his own bow, red in color. He has a great shooting speed, and can successfully use this in close combat. Despite that he recently became trained, Roy already has quite a serious success, which is enough to fight against the army of Slade. Roy demonstrated greater accuracy and speed shots.

Customized Hunting Arrows: Like his vigilante partner and teacher, Roy uses customized arrows.

Trick arrows: In battle with Slade Wilson's army, he uses trick arrows with Mirakuru cure heads. He also uses other arrowheads, including an explosive arrow.

Flechette: Roy received his first Flechette after The Arrow, saved his life from the psychotic Joseph Falk aka The Savior, Roy keeps it as a reminder that the Arrow saved his life, and he owes him everything. He later painted it red so he would not get this Flechette confused with one of the Arrow's flechettes, which are green. Roy used it as a way to contact the Arrow before he discovered Oliver's identity, and joined his team. By the season 3 premiere Roy has multiple flechettes that are red.

Combat Knife: By the season 3 premiere Roy carries a combat knife.

Arsenal suit: Roy wears a protective suit as his heroic alter-ego, Arsenal, to hide his identity from his enemies, when he goes out fighting crime. It is unknown if it was designed by Oliver or Felicity, though it was made by Lodai. It is also unknown what materials it is made from; with the exception of Kevlar.

Quiver: Roy has brown arrow container, to carry his arrows with him.

Eskrima Sticks: As his vigilante alter-ego, Arsenal, Roy carries two eskrima sticks strapped to both his lower legs.

Throwing Knives: Roy has 4 throwing knives strapped round his thigh.

Voice Filter: Roy uses this device to disguise his voice, regardless of who he speaks to as Arsenal.

Coms: It should also be noted that Team Arrow and Team Flash in crossover episodes all have coms between each other. Considering that this tourney has perfect teamwork, these Coms are standard equipment, so both members can communicate during battle.

Info:

The Chitauri are a powerful, reptilian warrior race, a hybrid between organic beings and machines. They have a caste-like society, with each caste (nearly a different species in itself) fulfilling a different role in Chitauri society. They are controlled by a Mother Ship which never shows on the battlefield, and act as one during war. They have superhuman physical attributes, superior strategy, energy-based rifles, a grenade and flying vehicles.

My plan is pretty simple but it will definitely work. Once the battle commences, Arsenal will hide in one of the buildings using a vantage spot for his following tactic (explained later), while at the same time, Firestorm takes to the air to locate your team. Once found, Firestorm can describe your teams identity, capabilities and location/s (if they split up) to Arsenal. Now for their specific roles in my tactics. In the air, The Ultron drone has never been shown to fly and shoot simultaneously, he always has to land first. In this case, Firestorm is safe in the air if the Drone decides to fly. The Ultron Drone has shown that an arrow will take it out (Hawkeye's arrows in Avengers easily take them out) so Roy will either use his bow to shoot it down, or if it lands, he will fire arrow after arrow (including explosive arrows), easily taking him out. I'm not sure if the Ultron Drone has any scanner? But if so, he won't be able to find Arsenal due to the multiple civilians roaming the area. Arsenal is safe in his vantage point seeing as Gamora also has no way of finding him. In this fight, Arsenal will use his scout skills to identify any incoming threats, which is unlikely anyway as he is hidden, but if by some freak incident he is found by the drone, he can easily beat it H2H. Now for Firestorm, he will easily be able to identify the extremely Green Gamora from the air. Once found, he will rain fire down her, causing her to flee or even (hopefully) disable her. If she is agile enough to avoid the flame attacks, he can use his missile attack to blow up a large area. Firestorm will basically stay in the air for this entire fight. With Firestorm causing Gamora to have a defensive and stand-off-ish tactic by avoiding his constant flame attacks, she is pretty much useless considering she has no real ranged attacks. So Firestorm on Gamora, Arsenal Shooting/if needed winning in H2H against the Drone, that leaves only your Lycan left. I will use the Chitauri Soldier as both a scout for Arsenal in his vantage spot so Arsenal can focus on tagging the drone, so if your Lycan is able to stalk him (I'm not sure really what the feats are of a Lycan I've never watched Underworld hahahaha) but he can act as a last line of defence with his blaster to easily kill your Lycan. If it sees Gamora somehow closing the distance, it will just start lobbing grenades having a great time. The grenades are easily able to take her out from a big explosion (however again, this is highly unlikely as Firestorm will have her pinned down). Once killed, he can act as a second shooter going after the Ultron Drone.

• Zehoberei Physiology: As a Zehoberei, Gamora naturally possesses physical capabilities beyond any human being.
  • Superhuman Strength: As a Zehoberei, Gamora is super-humanly strong, though not quite as strong as an Asgardian.
  • Superhuman Agility: As a Zehoberei, Gamora is highly agile. She often uses her agility during battle, giving her an advantage over her opponents.
• Cybernetic Skeleton: While in the service of Thanos, Gamora had cybernetic appendages installed in her providing enhanced strength. For example, she was able to leap at a tremendous height while helping the other Guardians escape from the Kyln, and was able to survive or at least briefly sustain various different afflictions that would prove fatal to a normal human being, such as severe electrocution and deep-space exposure.
• Ocular and Respiratory Implants: Gamora had implants installed in her visual system and respiratory system, providing enhanced stamina and vision.
• Enhanced Neurological System: Gamora's nervous system is more advanced than that of most species, granting her enhanced senses and awareness.
• Regenerative Healing Factor: Bio-augmentations have granted Gamora the power to regenerate quickly from most injuries or infections.

Abilities

"Anyone who's anyone knows who you are."

―Rocket Raccoon

• Master Assassin: Gamora has earned a feared reputation as the "deadliest woman in the galaxy" due to her work as an assassin while under the tutelage of Thanos.
• Master Combatant: Having been trained as an assassin, Gamora is an expert combatant and marksman. Under Thanos' wing, Gamora received extensive training in both armed and unarmed combat. As a result, she is an extremely talented swordswoman. Gamora was able to throw a knife with such accuracy that she caused Quill to drop the Orb from his hand while he was running away from her without amputating him.
• Sword Mastery: Gamora is shown to be extremely skilled in using her Retractable Blade, using it to amputate Groot, battle against her sister Nebula and fight during the Battle of Xandar.

Equipment

• Retractable Blade: Gamora's favourite weapon is the Retractable Blade. She used it to amputate Groot's limbs when he attempted to restrain her.

• Throwing Knives

Robotic Physiology

Superhuman Strength: Ultron is incredibly strong and can generate great amounts of force far beyond human capabilities. His later bodies were used to fight Captain America.

Superhuman Durability

Superhuman Stamina: As a robot, Ultron does not need to rest or sleep, being able to maintain his activities without stopping for extended periods of time.

Flight: Ultron has the ability to fly through the air at high speeds.

Technopathy: Ultron has the ability to mentally control and channel himself through technology.

• • Consciousness Transferal: Given that Ultron is an artificial intelligence, he is able to transfer his programming to any computer system on the planet, essentially being anywhere and everywhere.
  • Hive Mind System
  • Computer Corruption: Ultron can enter and corrupt any computer network and access the Internet at any point in time. He used this ability to hack into and destroy J.A.R.V.I.S. (though not fully).

Concussion Blasters

Lycans display inhuman physical strength, speed, reflexes, endurance and agility comparable to their vampire counterparts. These traits seem to apply to Lycans even when in human form, as Lucian was seen to be able to catch up to a moving car, and subsequently survive being hit by it head on. Even in their human forms, Lucian and other Lycans also demonstrate other feats of superhuman strength, speed and agility, such as catching crossbow bolts in midair, jumping extremely high and overpowering both humans and vampires in physical combat. It is very likely that they can enter a state of hibernation and survive without blood or oxygen for centuries. They possess enhanced senses of smell, hearing and sight that are superior even to those of wolves, not just humans, and are also able to sense Vampires in close proximity to themselves. It should be noted that when in their Werewolf forms they are stronger than when in human form, able to break through solid concrete walls, and seem to be stronger than most young Vampires, as every hand-to-hand confrontation between the two races under normal circumstances has ended with a Lycan victory, the one exception being the Vampire ElderViktor. Lycans can also use their claws and strength to scale sheer surfaces, having been seen to crawl along walls at great speed in pursuit of prey. They possess the ability to land on their feet without harm when falling from great heights, as evidenced by both Lucian and Michael Corvin. Other abilities include the ability to turn humans into Lycans through their bite, or possibly through blood transfusion. Some subjects of this do not survive, as the infection or damage caused can worsen due to the turning process. Lycans also display the ability to share memories through their bite, possibly through the virus affecting their brain and nerves and making their other tissues and fluids be obtaining bioorganic signals and information, which could explain the bodies healing ability.

Their most unique ability is their ability to turn at will, though they usually turn at night. The moon could only affect and forcibly transform a Lycan that had not yet learned to control their transformations, though they could use the moons influence to change when weakened, such as when Lucian was restrained in silver for a day and escaped when the moon rose in the night sky. Their transformations are quick and painless when they are in control but when the Lycan has not learned such control, the transformation is slow and painful, taking several minutes to finish instead of a few seconds like other Lycans.

Im not entirely sure how this strategy will be beneficial, as you know the fight takes place in the fictional street that had hulk and abomination brawl it out. Non of the buildings in that scene where over 3 stories high and only ran parallel to the road. Very little vision would be granted and would also be restricting when firing at the ultron drone, which you later talk about.

Firestorm would only be able to get a visual confirmation and location. My teams capabilities would not be apparent until they demonstrated it with either offensive or defensive moves.

As stated above arsenal will only have limited vision. But incase he is on the rooftops, you still need to show prof that arsenal is a capable shot. I will acknowledge that an arrow can kill an ultron drone but, that shot is made by hawkeye shown to be the best on screen marksmen in comics, maybe excluding the movie Wanted. In Arsenals abilities its stated that he can shoot out a tire of moving truck, pretty good feat but i doubt he has the capability to hit a ultron drone from the speed at which they travel.

This Gif shows that ultron drones are capable of firing whilst in the air.

I do believe that she will be easy to see but you will not be able to just rain fire down on her, as you know firestorm is a morally good character and would not place civilians within harms way. Their isn't much i can do to get firestorm out of the air, he beats the ultron drone in probably all feats except for maybe speed, to which they are even.

You underestimate the Lycan greatly, One blast would only case a slight irritation. Lycans outclass you in speed, stamina, strength. Additionally the Chitauri rely on the amount of soldiers they have, individually they are not that strong. I am not sure about the strength of there weapons, if you could clarify that would be helpful. Gamora is an assassin it would be out of character for her to rush into things. she is meticulous and will use the people and environment to her advantage until she is able to close the gap and would win in a H2H with arsenal or the Chitauri. Below you can see the speed at which the lycan can change. this means that the lycan would just be acting as a civilian and would only show his true identity until he needed to, and by then you wouldn't be able to do much to stop him in any close combat.

The point of the vantage point for Arsenal in my plan is not only a higher spot to fire at the Ultron drone, but also as a hiding place from Gamora, The Lycan and also the Drone. From this spot he will have more vision than if he were simply on the street. Arsenal can also use his free running ability to even climb to the roof where if he wants he can shoot at the Drone, he has even more vision and isn't limited by walls to shoot at the drone. This higher position can also provide as a defence in itself from the Lycan who won't be able to free run onto a roof (again, i haven't seen Underworld so if this is possible pretty plz provide dat cheeky evidence hahaha cheers).

Yeah thats fair play. In this case, he can prompt them to show their capabilities/hover above them until they show their offensive/defensive plan and immediately report back to Arsenal via their Comms.

He has shot the tires of moving vans on the show hundreds of times. He has more than one Arrow. Shooting a tire of a moving truck/van is an incredible feat seeing as the actual rubber of a tire is about half the width of an Ultron Drone. There is no doubt that Hawkeye's ability is above Arsenal, I'm just using him as an example that a single arrow can take down an Ultron Drone, thats all hahaha. Eventually the Drone will have to land to take it H2H becauuuuuuuseeeeeeeee

This gif is aerial combat. I think you're overestimating the capabilities of the Ultron Drone. The way i see it, it has 2, maybe 3 settings. Aerial Combat, Flight, and Grounded Combat. There are no examples of Ultron Drones in AoU where it does any feats outside of this parameter. If it was, how could a drone simply not take out a relatively easy standing target such as Hawkeye or Black Widow? In character it shows no feats to simply driveby and shoot. Unless you show me a feat of one flying by and shooting at grounded targets without stopping (and being accurate) then I'm afraid that gif is mooooooooooooot. (Just another thing on its Aerial Combat: In the single feat it has, it is extremely inaccurate when even firing at point blank, so it will be no challenge for Firestorm if you chose a new plan for the Drone to Attack Firestorm).

Yeah thats a good point. I guess that just makes Gamora a non factor in this fight since all she can do is hide in the Crowd, at least until Arsenal is found (if he's hiding he definitely won't be). That leaves Firestorm to either partially weaken/take down the Ultron Drone to make it easier for Arsenal to hit, or to focus on the extremely OP Lycan hahahah (dude i seriously had no idea they were that powerful, tbh i reckon its the most powerful member of your team hahahaha so lucky with the bonus round).

Yeah mate fuggen oath i underestimated that Lycan hahahah had no idea it was that powerful hahaha. All the specific information i could find on The Chitauri Blaster is that it is "A directed-energy weapon". Hahaha its not much to go off. It does however talk about how much of a big deal the Gun is, in that H.Y.D.R.A and S.H.I.E.L.D both went to extreme measures to ensure that the only Blaster left after The Incident was retained and locked away. It is clearly extremely powerful. The Blaster in The Avengers was shown to blow up cars and destroy concrete. The Durability of a Lycan is definitely not superior to the durability of concrete. You're unable to assume that a blast will cause "slight irritation" as you have no way to assume/prove this, nor do i have any way to show how it can affect a Lycan so, so I'm purely going off the fact that it is Pure Energy and how much importance it has with H.Y.D.R.A and S.H.I.E.L.D to make the point still that one/multiple shots can kill the Lycan. Keep in mind that the Chitauri have no qualms will killing civilians, so it can shoot at will.

Gamora won't find Arsenal, he too is extremely stealthy and can hide until Firestorm has finished pumping all immediate dangers to him. While Gamora finds Arsenal, she will eventually have to break off from the civilians, in which case Firestorm can then proceed to rain fire down. Firestorm also has the option to attack the Ultron Drone. The extreme advantage of Firestorm and Arsenal is that they have comms, meaning they can continuously communicate between each other. If Arsenal is shooting at the Drone, and Firestorm sees that Gamora is on the hunt for him, he can tell him to hide, at which time Firestorm will take over the attack on the Drone, however if Firestorm burns the Area surrounding Gamora, trapping her, once again she is non factor and can be taken out easily. In this case, Firestorm can turn his attention to the Lycan. Also in that video, it takes a few seconds for the Lycan to switch forms, its not speedy at all.

One thing i do know of the Lycans is that they aren't genius battle stragergists. They have no idea what my team is doing/what they are capable of. They also never switch between Human and Wolf form in order to disguise, confuse and hunt its prey, they simply change once and then fight. Once the Lycan has changed it will stay that way, meaning it will be easy for Chitauri, Arsenal and Firestorm to identify. Again, The Lycans don't show the battle logic to only change into Wolf Form when necessary. If a gun is being shot at it, or it is in danger, it will change. Please prove otherwise. You're right in saying that in close quarter combat it has the upper hand, but the Chitauri can fire unlimited shots at it from range without the hesitation to kill innocent civilians by accident.

Proved. The speed at which Firestorm can travel across the street are extremely quick too, and he can easily catch your team before they disperse.

Firestorm was shown in an episode of The Flash that he was able to keep pace with the Speedster. It's not 100% on his exact speed, but from the below gif you can see clearly that he is extremely quick, or at least quicker than the Ultron Drone.

Also, I will assume the Drones will be made of a metal such as Steel (definitely not Vibranium). Steel has a melting point of 1510°C. Firestorm's Flames which are a combustion of atoms, if equivilant to Adiabatic Flame Temperature (which is a combustion that does not lose heat, such as Firestorm) has heat between 1949°C and 1977°C, easily enough to melt the Drone.

As I said before, this is a good point, below this will be addressed in my updated tactics.

You pretty much summed up his ability by being able to shoot a fire of a moving truck. I couldn't actually find a specific average size of tires online as i have no idea wtf i am looking at when it says weird numbers and slashes hahahah. Even though its an effort i went into the street and measured the first 3 vans i saw (it was 11:00pm so i couldn't find any trucks hahahah). All tires were the same size, the rubber part being: 10cm Wide x 15cm Deep. Plus add in the fact that the trucks/vans he was be shooting at were on the chase, assuming they would hit speeds of minimum 80km/hr (MINIMUM - THATS STILL REALLY FAST!!!JOIEoijfoijwf), I have no doubt arsenal will hit the drone, If not with the first arrow, with any of his multiple arrows.

yeah nah Gamora can beat Arsenal in H2H, but its the fact that this will never happen which makes this point irrelevant. Either she will be pinned down and disabled by Firestorm, or she will never actually find Arsenal until he has reinforcements. If by some slight freakish chance she does come H2H with him, he will still put up an extremely good fight, as he has fought individuals nearly as agile as Gamora, and won - however this is irrelevant as this will never happen.

Ive shown how the gun deffinately is powerful enough to hurt the Lycan, now its a case of you proving that it can tank multiple shots of pure energy blasts (or the equivalent without lowballing) and still put up a fight to be the only one capable of killing the 3 members of my team (since the other 2 can clearly be quickly disposed of)

Agreed. His vision will be greatly increased. But I think it needs to be addressed to how well Arsenals free running capabilities are. Is he able to scale buildings, or does he have to take the stairs. Also you don't know the distance at which our teams are apart, the only piece of information is that we are at opposite ends of the street. No distances is mentioned, the longest street in harlem is 54.1 miles or 87 ish kilometres (harlem av). So i think arsenal finding and staying at a vantage point is moot. But i will take into consideration that Arsenal will decide to run on roof tops seeing as he would want to be in the action. Because i have opened up the size of the fight, i feel like i have to address the 100 civilians as well. you state later on that they will scatter after first sign of danger. This is true. But It still gives my team enough time and stealth to execute their strategy, which will be later explored. All members of my team will have no difficulty scaling the environment as displayed by feats below.

Gamoras capability

Lycans capability

I can agree that he would be able to identify a green woman and a robot. But not the Lycan. Plus my team isn't going to show off all of their capabilities straight up, only in a fight will they go ham. But Firestorm is purely surveillance at the beginning. If you can prove that he is able to access a third party (ignoring coms) to gain intel then i will agree. But everything he will see at best is appearance, Ultrons flight, Gamoras speed and the Lycans transformation. But he will only be telling arsenal. Plus the Chitauri doesnt have comms, an would be in the dark unless he is with Arsenal, but then you would also need to demonstrate free running feats for the Chitauri.

It is a pretty good feat. But i still dont know if its because of the speed of the truck, the amount of time he had, what conditions where to be undertaken. Its nit picking but it only stated that he has shot the tires out of 1 truck, yes that is up to several tires depending on the truck but i also think that he hasn't been done hundreds of times. You later talk about a lot of the specifics of the truck, I'm just going to include my response with this just because its on the same topic.You can't just assume that the truck would be going 80km/hr without showing evidence, that speed is only on highways and i don't think that any action scenes where on highways. If you show a gif/vid of Arsenal shooting the tires of a truck on a freeway then I will accept that he has the capability of hitting an ultron drone. I have no knowledge of the damage which Arsenals arrows can inflict. Hawkeyes arrows, yes easy, but he is also on a super hero team with the best tech in the world. I doubt his arrows would be a common metal like steal. It is stated that Arsenal has customised hunting arrows, I don't know the compound so i don't think it can pierce the ultron drone. I don't know if Arsenal was stationary when he shoots or how fast he is able to draw his bow but i don't think it is hawkeye speed, I doubt his ability to hit the ultron drone from all the things that where stated before. Even if you can prove that he is able to hit an ultron drone, you also need to show the damage that Arsenal is capable of.

You may rebut that my ultron drone is made out of a weak alloy. But this gif shows just how much force it takes, even from cap with vibranium.

Im not entirely sure why you would bring up the fact that i demonstrated that ultron drones can fire while flying, to clarify to you. For you to add a secondary assumption of "settings". The Ultron drones are multi purpose and wouldn't be tied down to having such limited capabilities, Ultron would have designed them a lot better then that. Im am unsure why you would put aerial combat and flight as 2 different settings, If the ultron drone can perform aerial combat then that automatically assumes he can fly. They wouldn't be taking out Hawkeye and Black widow because the movie made it that way, you can't assume that what they did was the absolute best strategy, it was terrible, but it gave Hawkeye and black widow purpose. You may argue that it is in character that they did that. But I think that it was purely for the movie. They changed behaviour depending on who they where fighting. So i don't think its fair to assume that they would do the least effective strategy when fighting outside AoU. I know their is no gif of them doing such a thing, but thats Piss. Just because they didn't do it doesn't mean they are not capable. Ive proved that they can fly and shoot, so it is unfair to say that they wouldn't fire at ground targets.

This gif shows how they go from flying to ground combat.

Yes he can reach those temperatures but he would have to remain stationary. I don't know if Firestorm is able to fly and produce that amount of heat in a projectile, If you can prove it then I 100% agree that firestorm can melt a ultron drone in combat.

Um She is not a non factor. As shown previously she is very acrobatic and would be able to scale most buildings. She would be using the crowd as a distraction or as cover. Gamora and the lycan have amazing speed. You also over estimate the durability of fire storm, he can easily get knocked out by a gust of air. So His basically a glass cannon.

I don't know what type of firepower your are talking about the damage that the shots do can't even break wood. So they are energy based which the Chitauri are using will most likely set the lycan on fire at best but that is also dependent on their aim. The gifs that i found show just how easily the Chitauri can miss from close qarters, and i don't see how any of them where able to hit hulk which is 4 times larger then a human at point blank range. So the chances that a Chitauri could hit a lycan at a distances is very unlikely.

Gamora wouldn't be travelling alone, She is an assassin and does usually take on targets one out but due to her not knowing any information about her opposition she would be traveling with the lycan. Who would be using his increased senses to smell, hear and see your team. You might add that their is 100 civilians and how could they tell. Well Arsenal would be carrying a lot more weight then the normal person, plus the speed at which he runs would also be increased, the Lycan would pick up on the differences and learn the location of your team. If he was going for stealth he would still probably be slow enough for all civilians to leave the area by the time they come into a 500 meter radius of each other and by that point the Lycans smell would kick in and would have a lock on. You are using this strategy that presumes that my team is going to be fighting 1 after the other. That is not the case, my team is attacking together and would kinda make the comms pointless because they would give information about what they are fighting, but they haven't used comms in the middle of the fight to point out another threat (i think). They would only use it to inform what they see before a fight breaks out, but both fights would happen in almost the same space of time. The lycans transformation takes about 3 seconds, its a five second gift. I feel like that is a very respectable transformation time.

My team won't have a lot of cover and or people to hide behind due to the size of the street. This means that the Lycan would want to transform straight away. Gamora and the Lycan will scale the buildings and free run on the rooftops, any terrain that isn't traversable by Gamora would be assisted by the Lycan. Both have similar speed and would stay together. The Ultron drone will be matching their speed and be flying, he would obviously see firestorm before firestorm sees him or my team. At this point the Ultron drone would start firing and continue to fire until reaching firestorm, from a very close position the ultron drone will not stop flying towards firestorm until he crash tackles him, and some wind took him out so i think the ultron drone will do fine, you may add that firestorm will melt him but i have never seen firestorm use that amount of firepower mid air, and your assuming that ultron is made out of steel, which is unknown. Your team would be dispersed due to the size of the 54.1 mile street and the fact that you are using firestorm as a scout at first. I think that Arsenal does not have the speed of Firestorm and would be very far away at this point. After the ultron drone has crash tackled firestorm the Lycan will assist in the dismemberment of firestorm most likely brining screams of terror from onlookers and tells your team a generalised location. At this point the Lycan is on the street, Ultron drone flying and Gamora roof tops. This basically becomes clean up for my team. Its 2v3 and your team may take out 2 but wouldn't be able to take out all. The Ultron drone will use his height advantage and scout finding your team and then commencing firing, alerting my team to the location. Once the Lycan and Gamora reach your team, it doesnt matter if you take out the Ultron drone because my teams H2H out classes yours in every way. Yu do have a single explosive arrow to which he can either use it on the Ultron drone or one of my team members, but given that they will most likely be fighting on the roof tops he will not be able to get a clean shot. If he hits gamora she will be down but quickly recover, hit the Lycan and that might be the end of him, Hit the ultron drone and then its a waste of a shot. The Chitaris aim is really bad so i doubt he could hit any of my team members and he would most likely go into H2H.

You haven't done anything for me to prove but i feel like my rebuttal does the job. I still don't think you answer most of the things you needed to prove, the only one that you did was firestorms speed. But everything else just doesn't have the evidence. I have debunked some of the claims that you have made, like the power of the Chitari weapon.

He has amazing free running abilities. Here are just a couple of examples. In the first Gif you will see him easily scale a fence much higher than his height, without a run up. In the second gif we see him literally use another person as a way to boost himself up to a higher level... behind him... He's a freak at free running, there is no doubting his capabilities. He definitely doesn't need the stairs, and if he needed to use the stairs for whatever reason, what does it matter? He's still going to get to his vantage point.

You clearly don't know the distance our team is apart either hahaha, thanks for going to the effort to look up the longest street in Harlem, but we should leave it to @spector_rand to confirm the exact length of this street.

I don't think it is... His part in my teams Tactic is to both shoot from a vantage point at enemies from a distance (where they cannot hit him), and to stay safe until Firestorm has neutralised any immediate threats. He won't be running along the roof tops initially until he knows that he is safe from any danger. Like i said, he will be staying put in his vantage point until Firestorm has made it safe to move out.

The size of the fight is still TBC so i won't refute this until I'm 100% sure on the size of the map, but even still, Firestorm can still easily identify the members of your team. Not one member of your team will be stealthy enough to hide from Firestorms vantage point. You say in your tactic that the Lycan will transform instantly, which means all FS has to look for is a Green Woman, a Robot and a Wolf - all things that can easily be distinguished from a group of regular humans.

As stated above, he will be able to identify a Lycan if he transforms immediately (which is part of your tactic). You're totally contradicting yourself here. This will be addressed later when i come to your tactics. Im not saying that he has any third party to provide him with Intel on the other team, he is the Intel for Arsenal. He will just tell him what he sees and assumes, not about their background, relationship status, age and superannuation. You even address this when you say "But everything he will see at best is appearance, Ultrons flight, Gamoras speed and the Lycans transformation" which is the whole point of Firestorm surveying the enemy in my tactic.

Yes i know he will only be telling Arsenal, i also know the Chitauri doesn't have Comms, I've never said that he was part of that "surveillance plan thing" anyway, he is just a back up for Arsenal. If the Chitauri needs help free running (which there unfortunately are no feats on where i can make gifs sorry), then Arsenal just won't go where he can't be backed up. However since most houses/apartments in America have stairs, Arsenal can run ahead to the vantage spot, and the Chitauri can use the stairs (and gain some cardio while he's at it).

I can't find any videos at all on Youtube to provide evidence for him shooting the van's tires in a chase unfortunately (sorry). However, if you have watched Arrow you know what i am talking about. This feat shouldn't be discredited just because i was unable to find a video on youtube, if you really want to find the feat you'll have to look up the episodes online sorry. The point of this feat was for accuracy anyway, which i easily proved with my other post.

I seriously don't see why a criminal that is on the run from the police/incrimination will obey the speed limits... I would literally laugh so hard if a criminal was going over 80km/h in a speed chase and then saw a sign saying to go 50km/h and he thought to himself "oh sh*t, better slow down so i don't get in more trouble". So yeah it is very safe to assume the truck/van would be going to speeds 80km/h and faster. But as i said before sorry i can't find this specific video on youtube, if you want to discredit this feat then so be it since i can't actually show the evidence, however it shouldn't be dismissed, as the video does exist online in an episode stream, i just can't gif that.

This lowballing of Arsenal is getting pretty ridiculous now hahaha. Firstly, unless stated otherwise, Hakweye's arrows are just regular standard arrows. Just because his team is high tech, doesn't mean his arrows are. At best, he has top of the line standard arrows. You can't assume he has anything other than standard metal. It has been stated on the show too that Roy and Oli's arrows are exceptionally high end, as analysed by Merlyn/Ra'as Al Ghul and also by Lance in season 1 and 2. Its ridiculous to assume that Arsenal's arrows are any less than strong af and assume they can't pierce an ultron drone when you have no actual evidence to show a difference between Hawkeye's arrows and Arsenal's arrows. Literally look up any video of Arsenal Shooting anything with an arrow and you will see the damage it can inflict. Please stop lowballing.

However it doesn't assume he can Fly by and Shoot. He has Aerial Combat, and he Has Ground combat. The Drone would be programmed to win the fight for Ultron correct? So if it was able to do so, why would it not choose the easiest and most effective strategy against two humans by simply fly-by shooting them? You can't say the movie made it that way. If the movie made it that way then unfortunately thats how your Character is. There is no external stimulus bar the AoU movie to show any feats from these drones. You're stuck with using its "Piss" unfortunately. Whether they are capable or not is irrelevant, there is no feats in the movie (i even re watched the movie just for this) and even though you can't find a gif, there is no feat at all to support they fire at grounded enemies when they were given the chance multiple times by both Black Widow and Hawkeye.

Why would he have to remain stationary? You're assuming here. Ive given his temperature and supported evidence as to why it is so, and you simply refute it by assuming that he has to remain stationary. I literally cannot prove to you that he can fly and produce that amount of heat at the same time as it is never stated, but it is also never stated that he cools down when he flies, so this point you've made is moot. Its pretty dumb to assume that he simply can't maintain a constant temperature regardless if he's airborn or stationary. Ive deffinately proved that he has the ability to melt the drone. Instead of constantly asking my to find feats, how about you show a feat of an ultron drone withstanding heat even CLOSE to this?

Im not saying she can't scale buildings, I'm saying she will be easily taken out/trapped by Firestorm, forcing her to become non factor as she will already be disabled.

You under estimate the durability of Firestorm. If you let that gif play a few seconds longer you will see this:

Involving the second gif i don't actually know if that is their blasters, it looks more as if its coming out of their chariots. Looking at the image the front looks very similar to a cannon. The strength of the shots are able to kill another Chitauri solider fair enough. But doesn't pierce through the chest cavity so it would be a strong enough concussive blast to knock out a human sized person at point blank range. Which the lycan is not, the lycan would gain considerable amount of damage but not enough to kill in a single shot. That is also taking into the fact the aiming. If the Chitauri where able to change the strength of their blasters wouldn't they have just been using that during most of the fighting scenes, mostly because they where only their for pure distraction and war. I may be wrong and they just don't do that because of P.I.S.S but without valid conformation of the blasters being able to change settings then their isn't a whole lot supporting that claim.

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a478795.pdf

Give that a read, but some major parts to point out are.

Walking people generate unique footstep acoustic [1, 2] and Doppler signatures [3-6] that can be used in security systems for human detection and recognition to differentiate them from other moving objects. Human footstep acoustic signatures have broadband frequency response from a few Hertz up to ultrasonic frequencies and generate vibrations and sound by an interaction of the foot and the supporting surface. Doppler signatures utilize vibrations of human body parts due to motion."

""Different walking styles (regular, soft and stealthy [1, 2, 7]) result in different vibration signatures in the low-frequency range that determine the maximum ranges for this method of footstep detection. For example, the stealthy walking style was undetectable even a few meters from a seismic detector [2, 7]. In buildings, footstep vibration magnitudes in the high-frequency range are comparable and independent of walking styles at distances close to the detector (one meter) [1]."

So I may be wrong, you can post after this only concerning this specific thing, if i am wrong. The amount of Hertz that are put out are determined by the step, e.g regular, soft, stealth. Lycans have superior sensors to us and would be able to hear the change in frequencies, In the article it says that they use ultrasonic equipment and ultrasonic only mean "of or involving sound waves with a frequency above the upper limit of human hearing." So their is some scientific basis to my claim, so before you say 100% sure please disprove it instead of assuming.

In my previous gif you will see a Lycan scale a 2 story wall, 1 story at minimum. Climbing Buildings that have windows or ledges would just assist him. I can't find any gifs that gauge her speed, to the lycans but as a team they would still be able to assist each other. Meaning that they would be running at an above average human speed, faster then arsenal at least.

Firstly I think it is hypocritical to say their is no evidence of something and because their is no single instance of a very specific action (ultron drones firing at moving targets during flight) that it isn't valid, then in the same paragraph so that I need to prove something that is very specific and has no evidence basis (the heat that firestorm is able to pump out). But as firestorm hit that wall he was knocked out correct? When he hit the wall it seems as if the used his flames to lesson the force. Also the toll taken on his powers where not explored but due to this being the last round i will give you benefit of the doubt that if hit a wall at speed then caught he would sustain little evidence. Because their is no evidence of him being hit by an object but only wind, being hit but a flying object then crashing into another would be a considerable amount of damage sustained.

Counter tactics incase their "is just no way to put Firestorm down with the feats of your team". Before breaking down your final paragraph, I would just like to look at the tactics again, after new information.

• Scenario 1: Still not proven nor disproven, Im unsure on how to resolve this.
• Scenario 2: Gamora and the lycan would be travelling together and from the speed that they have demonstrated they would be easily able to out pace your team, the Ultron drone would probably be shot down that only leaves 3v2 but by that stage the lycan and gamora would be in hand to hand with arsenal and Chitauri beating both and just leaving a cat and mouse and lose due to being out numbered and taking down either through gamoras throwing knives or a bait and switch from using the the buildings as platforms to crash tackle firestorm.
• Scenario 2.5: firestorm is to high for my team to do anything then it just comes down to endurance and gamora and the lycan would have the superior endurance.
• Scenario 3: The lycan is travelling with gamora and would be able to detect scent and even ultrasonic vibrations, so a hidden attack would do little.
• Scenario 4: Moot point as Gamora and Lycan traveling together.
• Scenario 4.5: If this is on rooftops instead of in the buildings then gamora and the lycan have the speed to bet your team up and across. only making it more of a trap for yourself.

This tactic isn't moot it just isn't proven or disproven, I don't know if the Op can interject or the rules but as you also stated in your equipment

Trick arrows: In battle with Slade Wilson's army, he uses trick arrows with Mirakuru cure heads. He also uses other arrowheads, including an explosive arrow.

Not arrows. But Arrow.