MCU Scarlet Witch vs T-3000 John Conner

Battle across Manhattan.

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Witch stomps, tbh.

wanda

@mazeraiii: @wollfmyth209: Just wondering on how so she stomps.

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@sirfizzwhizz: She has reality warping powers and is capable of recreating the universe. Pretty sure that's enough.

LOLOLOL look at the picture mate. this is MCU Wanda.

@sirfizzwhizz:

Oh. Well you didn't add that to the title until now so I was a bit confused. She doesn't stomp but she still wins. Reasons to be explained later.

@wollfmyth209: She barely has feats in AoU.T-3000 is way to fast for her to to anything but take a beating.

But ones she has are quite good.

Based on what?

Wanda has ripped apart Ultron's droids and managed to annihilate a squad of them with a single burst of power. If she keeps the distance and attacks, she'll take T-3000 down.

@wollfmyth209: T-3000 took a RPG to face and shrugged it off, tanked high callbre bullets and a truck, and could punch though solid steel like it was made of paper.Wanda has taken out fodder,and also ripped out a defenseless Ultrons heart.T-3000 isn't like the basic Ultron drones Wanda has destoyed.Does she have better feats?I dont really remember a hole lot about AoU.

@goatzilla: The Ultron drones have decent durability and strength feats(nothing short of an explosion can bring them down IIRC), and they can punch through solid stone casually. Wanda annihilating a squad of them is impressive. Even if T-3000 wins, I doubt he'll stomp or blitz as you previously suggested.

@wollfmyth209: I may have went a little overboard before.Its not that she cant hit him,its just that it wont really effect him.Well it will its just.....i can't really explain it you just gotta see the movie to understand.

She literally vaporized that squad of Ultron drones towards the end of the movie. Wanda takes this.

@hyena401: T-3000 is not a simple drone.Have you seen the new terminator?Cause if not you are in no position to predict the outcome of the battle.

@goatzilla: T-3000 is not a drone, but she didn't vaporize one drone. She vaporized squads of them. The combined durability of all those drones is at least comparable to T-3000.

@wollfmyth209: Well,kinda.Its kind of hard to determine its durability because it just shrugged off all that was thrown at it.It can also phase through things.

@wollfmyth209: I have. I dont see it surviving being completely vaporized in an instant though.

Wanda stomps

The T-3000 is literally hax, there's kind of no way Wanda can win.

her magic blasts will be nasty but i think john powers through it and shoves a spike through her head

@goatzilla: She ripped through a defenseless Ultron, sure, but vibranium is vibranium. She tore through it with ease.

Also T-3000 showed amazing battle prowess in the final encounter with T-800.

@darkbiscuit: Well she didn't rip out ultrons heart immediately.She sure did take her time,lol.

Also I agree with you that the T-3000 showed some great battle prowess.Towards the end he started doing some super janemba lookin s$!t.

John takes this but take a look at the image where T-800 mentioned what Machine Phase Matter is.

Phase Metal

Pops explains what Machine Phase Matter is. Turns a flesh and blood human into a unique living metal hybrid. Transforming the body on the cellular level.

The only known weakness of Machine Phase Matter is magnetic fields that keep his body from scattering and reforming.

That means Wanda's powers won't able to kill him.

T-3000

hmmm close fight

@sirfizzwhizz: How is Wanda suppose to win?

he isnt fully human and he isnt fully machine either .. should could convnice the nanobites in him to leave his body but she has to touch him to do it

she used her telepathy to make vision phase and release hawkeye from his grasp if she can control visions mind by tel she should be able to get the nanos out of john

Possible.

Wanda held up a building, broke through vibranium and disintegrated ultron sentries. She wins so long as she doesn't get blitzed, her TK is much stronger than any of the terminators, and she hasn't even shown her full potential yet

None of this matters since Ultron Bots were not vaporized just shattered. Holding up a building means what to a guy who strolled through a Military Bunker explosion? breaking through Vibranium which is not even as durable as say Adamantium or Uru means what for a being who is not solid in form at all?

john is able to reform from anything, and it took a Rip in Time and Space to disintegrate him fully.

The only option she has is possible TP since it worked on Vision.

@sirfizzwhizz: None of this matters since Ultron Bots were not vaporized just shattered.

Whatever you wanna call it, that's still a good feat since its not like they were made of paper

Holding up a building means what to a guy who strolled through a Military Bunker explosion?

It means that she is a 50-100 tonner in TK strength, more than enough to hold John down. Unless he's strong enough to hold up buildings now

breaking through Vibranium which is not even as durable as say Adamantium or Uru means what for a being who is not solid in form at all?

Is John made of uru/adamantium? No, so I don't get why you would bring that up. And John is solid enough to be hit, he can be restrained via TK and pulled apart, and he's not strong enough to overpower Wanda

john is able to reform from anything, and it took a Rip in Time and Space to disintegrate him fully.

So, mismatch?

The only option she has is possible TP since it worked on Vision.

since this thread was made before civil war, does that mean you made a thread with a clear winner in mind?

Depending on how the powers work on the Terminator will decide who wins and who dies.

@webinyoureye11:

Whatever you wanna call it, that's still a good feat since its not like they were made of paper

they kinda were. Hawkeye arrows puncture them fine and Cap punch them to pieces too. So not that durable.

It means that she is a 50-100 tonner in TK strength, more than enough to hold John down. Unless he's strong enough to hold up buildings now

True. If you count holding someone down as a win, sure. That is very true.

Is John made of uru/adamantium? No, so I don't get why you would bring that up. And John is solid enough to be hit, he can be restrained via TK and pulled apart, and he's not strong enough to overpower Wanda

The issue is keeping him down. She holds him down, sure. But pull him apart? he would just reform.

So, mismatch?

well unless you count the TP option and Hold down for long time as wins.

since this thread was made before civil war, does that mean you made a thread with a clear winner in mind?

Not at the time. Though two years later, I feel she has only one real way to win. Incap by holding in place is iffy win condition.

Terminator and off topic, but this made me realize how much I dislike the Salvation movie lol.

@sirfizzwhizz: they kinda were. Hawkeye arrows puncture them fine and Cap punch them to pieces too. So not that durable.

They were bulletproof:

Hawkeye's arrows could be coated in whatever the ultron bots are made from for all we know, Tony said he paid for/ designed everything. So them being punctured by Hawkeyes arrows is not a slight on their durability. And Cap should be stronger than Red Skull, who dented a steel shield with a hit. The Ultron bots were not weak, they were just outmatched by the avengers

The issue is keeping him down. She holds him down, sure. But pull him apart? he would just reform

Yeah, this is true, and unless he has some other weakness, than he should win this. I just considered it a win for Wanda if she made him reform. Sorta like a KO, even if he can still fight shortly afterwards

@webinyoureye11:

They were bulletproof:

Hawkeye's arrows could be coated in whatever the ultron bots are made from for all we know, Tony said he paid for/ designed everything. So them being punctured by Hawkeyes arrows is not a slight on their durability.

Except it is never stated HE arrows are coated. this is fan logic to explain something. All we know is he has steel arrows and they pierce the bots fine. Also again, Cap was punching these bots to pieces with his fist. Also not sure how you prove they are bullet proof. We dont see if there is bullet holes or not. Just the sparks of impacts. Likely leaving bullet holes behind.

And Cap should be stronger than Red Skull, who dented a steel shield with a hit. The Ultron bots were not weak, they were just outmatched by the avengers

The Bots are just steel/metal. Thats the point. They have basic metal durability, nothing special.

@pastepotpete1: who says it was TP that made her control vision? The commentary track, the Russos explain that she manipulated the mind stone (which gave her her powers) to control vision's density/phasing powers

Probably the T-3000 because I don't think Wanda's powers can truly destroy him. But she could basically last as long as she remains in decent health, so I guess it's technically a stalemate.

T-3000 coz he can easily phase through her SHIELD and kill her.

@sirfizzwhizz: Except it is never stated HE arrows are coated. this is fan logic to explain something. All we know is he has steel arrows and they pierce the bots fine

So logic is thrown out the door on this site? Where was it stated that the arrows are steel?

Also again, Cap was punching these bots to pieces with his fist.

He was breaking them to pieces, but not with punches. You also say this like Cap doesn't have super strength or something

Also not sure how you prove they are bullet proof. We dont see if there is bullet holes or not. Just the sparks of impacts. Likely leaving bullet holes behind.

Because they were being shot at with no visible damage, and were not put down by bullets. If you can show me a bullet hole, fine, but just because the avengers fodderized them, doesn't mean the bots weren't bulletproof.

The Bots are just steel/metal. Thats the point. They have basic metal durability, nothing special.

Maybe, maybe not. But can John be crushed? If Wanda put him in a bubble and crushed it with all her strength, would that win this for her? Does he have a vital point she can single out like ultron's heart? I feel like the T-3000 is way too OP if you need to totally disintegrate him to win

John

Maybe Scarlet Witch. Maybe T3000. Leaning towards Scarlet Witch