MCU Black Widow runs the Arrow Gauntlet

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#1  Edited By shroudofsorrow

The MCU version of Black Widow runs a gauntlet comprised of different characters from Arrow. She goes through the gauntlet twice. First time through she is at full strength at the start of each fight but is not allowed her gadgets or her firearms. Second time through she gets her full arsenal barring firearms but no rest or breaks in-between the rounds. The rounds are:

Round 1: Detective Lance (No gun)

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Round 2: Yao Fei (No arrows)

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Round 3: Shado (No arrows)

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Round 4: John Diggle (No gun)

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Round 5: China White

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Round 6: Al-Owal

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Round 7: Billy Wintergreen

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Round 8: Slade Wilson (Pre-Mirakuru, no guns)

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Round 9: Bronze Tiger (Rounds 8 and 9 are interchangeable)

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Round 10: Malcolm Merlyn (No arrows)

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How far does Natasha get?

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The problem with Scarlett Johanson is that she doesn't have any noteworthy feats against skilled characters. She tried to take on Bucky in Winter Soldier and got soundly destroyed, so even though I don't watch Arrow, I doubt she'll get very far.

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@nickzambuto: Most of the chaps in the early stages of the gauntlet aren't really any more impressive than MCU Hawkeye as fighters, or if they are, it's not by a large margin. I think Natasha wins the first few rounds handily.

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@nickzambuto: She was about to lose to Hawkeye as well before she bit him.

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@wolverine08 said:

@nickzambuto: She was about to lose to Hawkeye as well before she bit him.

So?

I was adding unto your point that MCU Black Widow doesn't have any noteworthy feats against skilled characters.

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#7  Edited By Wolverine008

Even though MCU Black Widow has no chance in hell of clearing this. I still must add that in terms of looks, she's a:

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#8  Edited By renamed040924

@nickzambuto said:

@wolverine08 said:

@nickzambuto: She was about to lose to Hawkeye as well before she bit him.

So?

I was adding unto your point that MCU Black Widow doesn't have any noteworthy feats against skilled characters.

How does biting nullify her feat of beating Hawkeye? She still defeated him under her own power, and it's not like she can't bite just about anybody she fights. There's nothing wrong with fighting dirty so long as you win in the end.

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@wolverine08 said:

@nickzambuto said:

@wolverine08 said:

@nickzambuto: She was about to lose to Hawkeye as well before she bit him.

So?

I was adding unto your point that MCU Black Widow doesn't have any noteworthy feats against skilled characters.

How does biting nullify her feat of beating Hawkeye? She still defeated him under her own power, and it's not like she can't bite just about anybody she fights. There's nothing wrong with fighting dirty so long as you win in the end.

Fair enough.

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#10  Edited By frozen  Moderator

Even though MCU Black Widow has no chance in hell of clearing this. I still must add that in terms of looks, she's a:

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#12  Edited By renamed040924

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@nickzambuto: She sucker punched Hawkeye.

She sucker punched him just to knock him out after he was already beaten.

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@nickzambuto: She outsmarted WS a lot in the movie though. I think she can do the same here.

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Can stop at Al-Owal but definitely stops at Tiger and Merlyn

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Stops at DS. Lmfao! That pic of DS is horrible, I've seen better cosplay costumes. Not that any other costumes in this show are any better.

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@frozen: Where do you think she stops? And I personally think her victory over Hawkeye was valid.

@lone_wolf_and_cub:

  1. That was Billy Wintergreen, not Deathstroke
  2. The costume is cool, and so are some of the other ones in Arrow. It's just that most of the other characters don't wear costumes.

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@frozen: And what about the time where she gets no rest but has her gadgets? Or do you think she stops at Wintergreen both times?

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I think she might stop at Diggle without gadgets, but I'm kind of hazy memory wise on his feats.

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#20  Edited By shroudofsorrow

@wolverine08: Honestly he didn't really do anything that Widow herself didn't do. She also happens to be much more agile then him. I think she can take Diggle.

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Anyone else?

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H2H she stops at 5 or 6.

With gadgets she stops at 7 or 8.

With gadgets and firearms she stops at 10.

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Stops at Round 2

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Your list is a bit out of order imo, Diggle should be lower, as should Wintergreen who has no feats really.

She could stop at 2, 3, certainly not getting past 8, 9, 10.

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Stops at 8 or 9. I realistically think she could clear, but there'd be assumptions made. Based on feats, and assuming certain combatants "featless", she stops at 8 or 9.

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Might stop at 6

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Stops at 6

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Stop at 7.

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#29  Edited By rogueshadow  Moderator

Weirdly ordered in parts imo. But I think she stops at 6 without gadgets, could clear with them.

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Weirdly ordered in parts imo. But I think she stops at 6 without gadgets, could clear with them.

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Stops at 9

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In first go, she stops at China White. In second at Al Owal.

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Diggle beats her.

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Stops at China White round 1. What gadgets does Black Widow have? I can't remember.

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Stops at Diggle

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#36  Edited By shroudofsorrow

@black_arrow: @reaverlation: Seriously? Diggle's near featless. Natasha can take him, especially with gadgets.

@rbt: What did China White do that makes you think she could beat Natasha? I don't remember much from her beyond losing to Ollie.

@godzilla44: How is this list out of order?

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Your list is a bit out of order imo, Diggle should be lower, as should Wintergreen who has no feats really.

She could stop at 2, 3, certainly not getting past 8, 9, 10.

Shado and Yao Fei never did anything H2H that Natasha didn't. And Wintergreen does have feats, namely beating Yao Fei and giving him a decent fight the time he lost.

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Maybe the first couple rounds; Diggle takes her down.

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#39  Edited By Mythologico4

Round 1 - Probably 6 or 8

Round 2 - Round 10 or clears. Almost all of the combatants don't have weapons, whereas Widow has some pretty impressive feats with gadgets.

Stops at China White round 1. What gadgets does Black Widow have? I can't remember.

- Widow's Bite (electrical bracelets, strong enough to knockout) (she also used them to hang when she jumped off the viaduct)

- EMP discs (strong enough to knockout people with normal durability, and strong enough to render Bucky's metal arm useless for some seconds)

- Electrical discs (different from the EMP ones)

- Smoke bombs

- Some kind of wire she used against Bucky and the security guards in Iron Man 2

- Pepper spray

- She also has her guns, but I don't think they are considered gadgets

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@shroudofsorrow: Gadgets is what might allow her to win.Her H2H skills isn't that impressive. Diggle at least has no trouble sparring with Ollie or Sara and held his own against Merlyn

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@rbt: What did China White do that makes you think she could beat Natasha? I don't remember much from her beyond losing to Ollie.

Didn't she stalemate Oliver once too?

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@reaverlation: Actually Diggle got stomped by Merlyn and sparring matches are unreliable as far as denoting character skill. Batman has beaten Wonder Woman in a sparring match, and we all know that's nonsense. So I don't consider sparring matches valid.

Black Widow meanwhile took down some guys while chair-tied, beat members of STRIKE, beat Hawkeye...she just has more feats then Diggle. She's also got more style too (sorry Diggle!)

@mythologico4: The pepper spray's not hers. She took it from a security guard and used it on another. It's not part of her standard arsenal.

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Diggle loses round 2. But Slade beats her.

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@rbt said:

Didn't she stalemate Oliver once too?

IIRC no, they were fighting and both had to run away because of the police

@mythologico4: The pepper spray's not hers. She took it from a security guard and used it on another. It's not part of her standard arsenal.

You're right, just watched that again, my bad.

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Even though MCU Black Widow has no chance in hell of clearing this. I still must add that in terms of looks, she's a:

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@shroudofsorrow: fodder,fodder,and Hawkeye has like no H2H feats other than losing to Natasha.The gadgets is what most likely give her the win

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@black_arrow: What makes you think he can take Natasha in H2H? Other then a sparring match with Ollie, which is invalid by virtue of the fact that sparring matches are unreliable.

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Diggle isn't in her league.

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@black_arrow: What makes you think he can take Natasha in H2H? Other then a sparring match with Ollie, which is invalid by virtue of the fact that sparring matches are unreliable.

I actually re watched the fight scenes that he had and I remembered them different. Natasha beats him (I am hoping that he gets better feats)

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@rpottage: Based on what?

His fighting ability. He's former military, trained with Oliver, taken on guys bigger than him, held his own against Merlyn (who was League of Assassins trained); and his durability is insane for a human. He's constantly being beaten and attacked. Even being attacked by Deathstroke only to get back up soon afterwards.
And then there's the episode "Keep your enemies close" where he goes to a Russian prison and is attacked with a metal tray from behind then kicked multiple times; so he breaks the guys leg. His punishment was to be chained in a room that's freezing and creating icicles for hours; at which point he's released and he breaks out of prison, supporting someone else, then one-shots a guard, and runs. It's a level of sustained abuse that Natasha hasn't duplicated; and he's still able to run, support others, and fight as if it had barely affected him at all.

And once they use weapons he'll just shoot her. He's got great aim to the point where he was only unable to take Deathstroke down because of Deathstrokes armor.