#1 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9184 posts) - - Show Bio
 
 

vs 
  
 
 
 
Rules: 
Winner by death, KO, surrender. 
Random encounter. 
Start off twenty feet apart 
Maximus has his Roman General gear. 
Jaime Lannister his his normal gear.  
 
Location: Kings Landing throne room. 
 
#2 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

Maximus.

#3 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9184 posts) - - Show Bio
@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.
Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.  
#4 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

#5 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9184 posts) - - Show Bio
@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Not sure if he has faced against any one in full armor before. 
Most of his enemies were other Germanic barbarians wearing furs, some gladiators that were other half armored, or no armor at all.  
The only people I know of that he has faced were two of his own men that were going to go execute him, and the pansy emperor.  
 
However, you do have a point with Jaime playing around while he fights.  
Think his father mentioned something about that, and how he was to cocky...which could be his downfall. 
#6 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Not sure if he has faced against any one in full armor before. Most of his enemies were other Germanic barbarians wearing furs, some gladiators that were other half armored, or no armor at all. The only people I know of that he has faced were two of his own men that were going to go execute him, and the pansy emperor. However, you do have a point with Jaime playing around while he fights. Think his father mentioned something about that, and how he was to cocky...which could be his downfall.

Full armor would seem to work to his advantage, slows Jaime down. Plus Commodus has armor on, not sure if it was "full" or not, but he was decently quick with a blade. We could say that Maximus was barely in armor, plus he was at serve disadvantages in the Arena. Improvising is something he's good at.

And it would be against Maximus. ;D

#7 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

#8 Posted by Simon_the_digger (2836 posts) - - Show Bio

Lannister

#9 Posted by Bo88gdan (4393 posts) - - Show Bio

Maximus Meridius

#10 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

#11 Posted by warlock360 (28040 posts) - - Show Bio

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

#12 Posted by Jayfournines (4024 posts) - - Show Bio

Maximus Decimus Meridius, commader of the armies to the north, husband to a murdered wife, father to a murdered son yadda yadda....would win.

#13 Edited by Picard (982 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

#14 Edited by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

#15 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby:

Maximus is from a movie, the pictures are of movie/TV versions.

#16 Posted by Picard (982 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

#17 Posted by Primarch (595 posts) - - Show Bio

Real problem with Jaime is that he's reputation is solid by the time the books start, he's one of the best fighters in the Seven Kingdoms. His place in the book isn't to continue doing so, but to develop from "The Smiling Knight" into a Arthur Dayne type True Knight. So if you want in book/series "feats" they are few and far between.

To make an argument for him however. Firstly worth pointing out is his far superior equipment, in terms of craftsmanship His gear is much better made, being based on equipment being developed about a thousand years later then what Maximus would be using. Jaime's normal gear is his Kingsguard equipment, enameled scales and breastplate, his golden longsword & a shield. He's also much more experienced in one on one combat, being involved in Tourney's (and winning) since he was a squire. Even at 15 he held off The Smiling Knight, whom was a deadly swordsman that required Ser Arthur Dayne to finally kill, Arthur Dayne being the most dangerous swordsman of his time. In the books Jaime is 32 when the books start, likely older in the TV show as most characters seem to be. So he's had time to develop his already prodigy talents.

#18 Posted by theTimeStreamer (2841 posts) - - Show Bio

the guy that humped his sister gets an automatic loss.

#19 Edited by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

#20 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

#21 Posted by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

If this was a brawl without armor and was based off complete skill alone then Maximus.

However if you give Jaime his gear then he will win it due to better armor and weapons. Jaime being skilled as hell helps too.

Plate > Roman Armor.

#22 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Sethlol:

Carbon steel is still going through plate armor. As you said, Maximus has more skill, he's shown to have accuracy to chop off a man's head while riding full speed on a horse. I have no doubt Maximus could find the weak spots in the armor, he did against Tigris.

#23 Edited by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

#24 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

I've read them and know which situations you're probably referring to. I know he's stated to be the finest swordsman, but does he ever actually show it? I don't think he does, maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Maximus is the youngest Roman General in history, so those might cancel each other out.

#25 Posted by OmegaDynasty (9184 posts) - - Show Bio
@Xanni15 said:

@Sethlol:

Carbon steel is still going through plate armor. As you said, Maximus has more skill, he's shown to have accuracy to chop off a man's head while riding full speed on a horse. I have no doubt Maximus could find the weak spots in the armor, he did against Tigris.

Tigris was rather open with his armor. 
 
 
 
#26 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

I've read them and know which situations you're probably referring to. I know he's stated to be the finest swordsman, but does he ever actually show it? I don't think he does, maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Maximus is the youngest Roman General in history, so those might cancel each other out.

Well, He hasn't really been involved in a lot of duels or anything...except for the one with Brienne. In that fight he wasn't in top form and he was still able to fight her to a draw...and she was good enough to beat Loras. We didn't get to see him fight in the Whispering Woods...but we know he killed several people engaging him at the same time.

Maximus became a general at an older age than Jaime Lannister became a Kingsguard. And Swordsmanship has very little to do with becoming a General anyway...it means you are a good military strategist. You don't get to be Kingsguard unless you are far better than the average swordsman (at least not while Barristan the Bold is running the show).

#27 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Sethlol:

Carbon steel is still going through plate armor. As you said, Maximus has more skill, he's shown to have accuracy to chop off a man's head while riding full speed on a horse. I have no doubt Maximus could find the weak spots in the armor, he did against Tigris.

Tigris was rather open with his armor.



I was more referring to his face, Maximus tried a few times I think then had to readjust his strategy. :]

Also, which versions are these?

#28 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

I've read them and know which situations you're probably referring to. I know he's stated to be the finest swordsman, but does he ever actually show it? I don't think he does, maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Maximus is the youngest Roman General in history, so those might cancel each other out.

Well, He hasn't really been involved in a lot of duels or anything...except for the one with Brienne. In that fight he wasn't in top form and he was still able to fight her to a draw...and she was good enough to beat Loras. We didn't get to see him fight in the Whispering Woods...but we know he killed several people engaging him at the same time.

Maximus became a general at an older age than Jaime Lannister became a Kingsguard. And Swordsmanship has very little to do with becoming a General anyway...it means you are a good military strategist. You don't get to be Kingsguard unless you are far better than the average swordsman (at least not while Barristan the Bold is running the show).

I'll admit the conditions were hardly equal, but I think the end result was different than you do. For all we know those people were simple fodder, unless I'm mistaken about who they were.

Being a general could have a lot to do with being a brilliant strategist, but I think we both know that Maximus has only displayed amazing swordsmanship so I think it's fair to assume that it also played a part in his rapid ascent.

#29 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

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@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

I've read them and know which situations you're probably referring to. I know he's stated to be the finest swordsman, but does he ever actually show it? I don't think he does, maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Maximus is the youngest Roman General in history, so those might cancel each other out.

Well, He hasn't really been involved in a lot of duels or anything...except for the one with Brienne. In that fight he wasn't in top form and he was still able to fight her to a draw...and she was good enough to beat Loras. We didn't get to see him fight in the Whispering Woods...but we know he killed several people engaging him at the same time.

Maximus became a general at an older age than Jaime Lannister became a Kingsguard. And Swordsmanship has very little to do with becoming a General anyway...it means you are a good military strategist. You don't get to be Kingsguard unless you are far better than the average swordsman (at least not while Barristan the Bold is running the show).

I'll admit the conditions were hardly equal, but I think the end result was different than you do. For all we know those people were simple fodder, unless I'm mistaken about who they were.

Being a general could have a lot to do with being a brilliant strategist, but I think we both know that Maximus has only displayed amazing swordsmanship so I think it's fair to assume that it also played a part in his rapid ascent.

No, Everyone in the Roman Army accredited the success of the campaign against the barbarians to Maximus' leadership...He's obviously also a really good swordsman...but you don't make someone a General because he swings a sword good...you do however use that criteria when you pick the Kings Honour Guard. Jaime doesn't have a lot of feats...but most characters in those books don't have a lot of actual feats. What they have are established reputations backed with multiple sources. Maximus also doesn't have a lot of feats against anyone that we know to be more than fodder either if you want to look at it that way. What we know about Jaime is:

a) he is considered by many to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms.

b) He's a member of the Kingsguard...an elite society of Swordsman handpicked because of their great skill to protect the King and his family. Only the best of the best are ever supposed to be considered for membership. Only 7 Men are ever part of the Kingsguard at one time.

Now, I'm not saying that Jaime would necessarily win...what I am saying is that people shouldn't be dismissing Jaime here simply because he doesn't have a lot of feats.

#30 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

I've read them and know which situations you're probably referring to. I know he's stated to be the finest swordsman, but does he ever actually show it? I don't think he does, maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Maximus is the youngest Roman General in history, so those might cancel each other out.

Well, He hasn't really been involved in a lot of duels or anything...except for the one with Brienne. In that fight he wasn't in top form and he was still able to fight her to a draw...and she was good enough to beat Loras. We didn't get to see him fight in the Whispering Woods...but we know he killed several people engaging him at the same time.

Maximus became a general at an older age than Jaime Lannister became a Kingsguard. And Swordsmanship has very little to do with becoming a General anyway...it means you are a good military strategist. You don't get to be Kingsguard unless you are far better than the average swordsman (at least not while Barristan the Bold is running the show).

I'll admit the conditions were hardly equal, but I think the end result was different than you do. For all we know those people were simple fodder, unless I'm mistaken about who they were.

Being a general could have a lot to do with being a brilliant strategist, but I think we both know that Maximus has only displayed amazing swordsmanship so I think it's fair to assume that it also played a part in his rapid ascent.

No, Everyone in the Roman Army accredited the success of the campaign against the barbarians to Maximus' leadership...He's obviously also a really good swordsman...but you don't make someone a General because he swings a sword good...you do however use that criteria when you pick the Kings Honour Guard. Jaime doesn't have a lot of feats...but most characters in those books don't have a lot of actual feats. What they have are established reputations backed with multiple sources. Maximus also doesn't have a lot of feats against anyone that we know to be more than fodder either if you want to look at it that way. What we know about Jaime is:

a) he is considered by many to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms.

b) He's a member of the Kingsguard...an elite society of Swordsman handpicked because of their great skill to protect the King and his family. Only the best of the best are ever supposed to be considered for membership. Only 7 Men are ever part of the Kingsguard at one time.

Now, I'm not saying that Jaime would necessarily win...what I am saying is that people shouldn't be dismissing Jaime here simply because he doesn't have a lot of feats.

I never said Maximus being an excellent swordsman was the main reason he was made a General, but I'm sure it had something to do with it. On CV I thought we used feats, I'm not trying to be smart or a jerk, just stating it. Maximus actually does have a few feats, but considering Jaime is in a series of books compared to Maximus being in one movie and a book tie in, I'd hope Jaime has more feats.

Maximus beat the elite in his realm and has never lost, often fighting against the odds and in situations where it was expected he owuld lose. Jaime has lost (I'm sure we'll disagree here), is overly confident (no matter the reason).

I wasn't dismissing Jaime, to my knowledge. He's very skilled, but it would appear that Maximus is more skilled and Jaime's best chance is his armor being better (according to some).

#31 Posted by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

It would be a great fight.

I do admit though, Jaime hasn't really demonstrated his fighting skill as much as he is hyped up (in the books).

With Max's feats being more clarified, definetly makes this fight seem more interesting.

#32 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

I've read them and know which situations you're probably referring to. I know he's stated to be the finest swordsman, but does he ever actually show it? I don't think he does, maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Maximus is the youngest Roman General in history, so those might cancel each other out.

Well, He hasn't really been involved in a lot of duels or anything...except for the one with Brienne. In that fight he wasn't in top form and he was still able to fight her to a draw...and she was good enough to beat Loras. We didn't get to see him fight in the Whispering Woods...but we know he killed several people engaging him at the same time.

Maximus became a general at an older age than Jaime Lannister became a Kingsguard. And Swordsmanship has very little to do with becoming a General anyway...it means you are a good military strategist. You don't get to be Kingsguard unless you are far better than the average swordsman (at least not while Barristan the Bold is running the show).

I'll admit the conditions were hardly equal, but I think the end result was different than you do. For all we know those people were simple fodder, unless I'm mistaken about who they were.

Being a general could have a lot to do with being a brilliant strategist, but I think we both know that Maximus has only displayed amazing swordsmanship so I think it's fair to assume that it also played a part in his rapid ascent.

No, Everyone in the Roman Army accredited the success of the campaign against the barbarians to Maximus' leadership...He's obviously also a really good swordsman...but you don't make someone a General because he swings a sword good...you do however use that criteria when you pick the Kings Honour Guard. Jaime doesn't have a lot of feats...but most characters in those books don't have a lot of actual feats. What they have are established reputations backed with multiple sources. Maximus also doesn't have a lot of feats against anyone that we know to be more than fodder either if you want to look at it that way. What we know about Jaime is:

a) he is considered by many to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms.

b) He's a member of the Kingsguard...an elite society of Swordsman handpicked because of their great skill to protect the King and his family. Only the best of the best are ever supposed to be considered for membership. Only 7 Men are ever part of the Kingsguard at one time.

Now, I'm not saying that Jaime would necessarily win...what I am saying is that people shouldn't be dismissing Jaime here simply because he doesn't have a lot of feats.

I never said Maximus being an excellent swordsman was the main reason he was made a General, but I'm sure it had something to do with it. On CV I thought we used feats, I'm not trying to be smart or a jerk, just stating it. Maximus actually does have a few feats, but considering Jaime is in a series of books compared to Maximus being in one movie and a book tie in, I'd hope Jaime has more feats.

Maximus beat the elite in his realm and has never lost, often fighting against the odds and in situations where it was expected he owuld lose. Jaime has lost (I'm sure we'll disagree here), is overly confident (no matter the reason).

I wasn't dismissing Jaime, to my knowledge. He's very skilled, but it would appear that Maximus is more skilled and Jaime's best chance is his armor being better (according to some).

Maximus is the main character in a movie with only a few major characters. Jaime Lannister is 1 out of many prominent characters...you say you read the books...then you know how little he is shown in the first 2 books. Put it this way...in the first 2 seasons of Game of Thrones...Jaime Lannister has far less screen time than Maximus....even though the series so far is over 15 hours longer than Gladiator was. So yeah, Maximus has more feats. Most of everything Jaime Lannister has done of note happened before the series starts...but it still happened and it should be considered when formulating an opinion to who would win. You say you read the books...so you know the reasons why Jaime doesn't have the feats....for most of the series he has been well away from where the action was.

Judging it the way you are, one would have to come to the conclusion that Tyrion would beat Jaime...because he has more feats.

#33 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

I've read them and know which situations you're probably referring to. I know he's stated to be the finest swordsman, but does he ever actually show it? I don't think he does, maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Maximus is the youngest Roman General in history, so those might cancel each other out.

Well, He hasn't really been involved in a lot of duels or anything...except for the one with Brienne. In that fight he wasn't in top form and he was still able to fight her to a draw...and she was good enough to beat Loras. We didn't get to see him fight in the Whispering Woods...but we know he killed several people engaging him at the same time.

Maximus became a general at an older age than Jaime Lannister became a Kingsguard. And Swordsmanship has very little to do with becoming a General anyway...it means you are a good military strategist. You don't get to be Kingsguard unless you are far better than the average swordsman (at least not while Barristan the Bold is running the show).

I'll admit the conditions were hardly equal, but I think the end result was different than you do. For all we know those people were simple fodder, unless I'm mistaken about who they were.

Being a general could have a lot to do with being a brilliant strategist, but I think we both know that Maximus has only displayed amazing swordsmanship so I think it's fair to assume that it also played a part in his rapid ascent.

No, Everyone in the Roman Army accredited the success of the campaign against the barbarians to Maximus' leadership...He's obviously also a really good swordsman...but you don't make someone a General because he swings a sword good...you do however use that criteria when you pick the Kings Honour Guard. Jaime doesn't have a lot of feats...but most characters in those books don't have a lot of actual feats. What they have are established reputations backed with multiple sources. Maximus also doesn't have a lot of feats against anyone that we know to be more than fodder either if you want to look at it that way. What we know about Jaime is:

a) he is considered by many to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms.

b) He's a member of the Kingsguard...an elite society of Swordsman handpicked because of their great skill to protect the King and his family. Only the best of the best are ever supposed to be considered for membership. Only 7 Men are ever part of the Kingsguard at one time.

Now, I'm not saying that Jaime would necessarily win...what I am saying is that people shouldn't be dismissing Jaime here simply because he doesn't have a lot of feats.

I never said Maximus being an excellent swordsman was the main reason he was made a General, but I'm sure it had something to do with it. On CV I thought we used feats, I'm not trying to be smart or a jerk, just stating it. Maximus actually does have a few feats, but considering Jaime is in a series of books compared to Maximus being in one movie and a book tie in, I'd hope Jaime has more feats.

Maximus beat the elite in his realm and has never lost, often fighting against the odds and in situations where it was expected he owuld lose. Jaime has lost (I'm sure we'll disagree here), is overly confident (no matter the reason).

I wasn't dismissing Jaime, to my knowledge. He's very skilled, but it would appear that Maximus is more skilled and Jaime's best chance is his armor being better (according to some).

Maximus is the main character in a movie with only a few major characters. Jaime Lannister is 1 out of many prominent characters...you say you read the books...then you know how little he is shown in the first 2 books. Put it this way...in the first 2 seasons of Game of Thrones...Jaime Lannister has far less screen time than Maximus....even though the series so far is over 15 hours longer than Gladiator was. So yeah, Maximus has more feats. Most of everything Jaime Lannister has done of note happened before the series starts...but it still happened and it should be considered when formulating an opinion to who would win. You say you read the books...so you know the reasons why Jaime doesn't have the feats....for most of the series he has been well away from where the action was.

Judging it the way you are, one would have to come to the conclusion that would beat Jaime...because he has more feats.

You've read the books you know that his screen time increases. I'm not putting Jaime down, I hope I haven't given you that indication. I just feel that Maximus is the better fighter and would win here. If you want me to include Jaime's off screen feats so to speak, we can. :]

#34 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

If we're using movie/TV versions he seemed to hold up pretty well before being sucker-sliced, Maximus would destroy Ned even faster.

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@OmegaDynasty said:

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

Most likely.Although, Jaime does have the reach with his sword compared to Maximus with his gladius , and armor protecting him.

Maximus has his armor too. :P

Plus Maximus doesn't mess around, "he's required to kill so he kills". Jaime likes to toy with people.

Ned Stark didn't mess around either...and he wasn't a match for Jaime.

He? If I remember correctly in TV series Ned was stabbed from behind by one of Lanister's guards, so Jaime never really defeated him. They never fought each other in a novel. Also Ned is almost feetless when it comes swordplay when Maxiums have plenty of feats. IMO Maximus should win - better swordsman and definitely better tactician.

@warlock360 said:

you can easily fend of a longsword with a gladius, Maximus.(also what's up with the surrender LOL)

Maximus personally commanded Equites, roman cavalry and they actually used longer swords called Spatha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spatha

OP doesn't specifically state that we're going by TV version.

Yes, but like I said Jamie never fought Eddard in in the book...

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Eddard always doubts himself and isn't arrogant to stay he could kill anyone.

Besides word of mouth do we really have a lot to back that up? Him being very good.

Depends on if you've read the books or not. The Show hasn't had him do a lot just yet. The books give better accountings of his skill. I don't want to go into too much detail because it could lead to spoilers about things coming up next season....but in the books he is considered to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. He was the youngest knight to ever join the Kingsguard.

I've read them and know which situations you're probably referring to. I know he's stated to be the finest swordsman, but does he ever actually show it? I don't think he does, maybe I'm wrong. I'm pretty sure Maximus is the youngest Roman General in history, so those might cancel each other out.

Well, He hasn't really been involved in a lot of duels or anything...except for the one with Brienne. In that fight he wasn't in top form and he was still able to fight her to a draw...and she was good enough to beat Loras. We didn't get to see him fight in the Whispering Woods...but we know he killed several people engaging him at the same time.

Maximus became a general at an older age than Jaime Lannister became a Kingsguard. And Swordsmanship has very little to do with becoming a General anyway...it means you are a good military strategist. You don't get to be Kingsguard unless you are far better than the average swordsman (at least not while Barristan the Bold is running the show).

I'll admit the conditions were hardly equal, but I think the end result was different than you do. For all we know those people were simple fodder, unless I'm mistaken about who they were.

Being a general could have a lot to do with being a brilliant strategist, but I think we both know that Maximus has only displayed amazing swordsmanship so I think it's fair to assume that it also played a part in his rapid ascent.

No, Everyone in the Roman Army accredited the success of the campaign against the barbarians to Maximus' leadership...He's obviously also a really good swordsman...but you don't make someone a General because he swings a sword good...you do however use that criteria when you pick the Kings Honour Guard. Jaime doesn't have a lot of feats...but most characters in those books don't have a lot of actual feats. What they have are established reputations backed with multiple sources. Maximus also doesn't have a lot of feats against anyone that we know to be more than fodder either if you want to look at it that way. What we know about Jaime is:

a) he is considered by many to be the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms.

b) He's a member of the Kingsguard...an elite society of Swordsman handpicked because of their great skill to protect the King and his family. Only the best of the best are ever supposed to be considered for membership. Only 7 Men are ever part of the Kingsguard at one time.

Now, I'm not saying that Jaime would necessarily win...what I am saying is that people shouldn't be dismissing Jaime here simply because he doesn't have a lot of feats.

I never said Maximus being an excellent swordsman was the main reason he was made a General, but I'm sure it had something to do with it. On CV I thought we used feats, I'm not trying to be smart or a jerk, just stating it. Maximus actually does have a few feats, but considering Jaime is in a series of books compared to Maximus being in one movie and a book tie in, I'd hope Jaime has more feats.

Maximus beat the elite in his realm and has never lost, often fighting against the odds and in situations where it was expected he owuld lose. Jaime has lost (I'm sure we'll disagree here), is overly confident (no matter the reason).

I wasn't dismissing Jaime, to my knowledge. He's very skilled, but it would appear that Maximus is more skilled and Jaime's best chance is his armor being better (according to some).

Maximus is the main character in a movie with only a few major characters. Jaime Lannister is 1 out of many prominent characters...you say you read the books...then you know how little he is shown in the first 2 books. Put it this way...in the first 2 seasons of Game of Thrones...Jaime Lannister has far less screen time than Maximus....even though the series so far is over 15 hours longer than Gladiator was. So yeah, Maximus has more feats. Most of everything Jaime Lannister has done of note happened before the series starts...but it still happened and it should be considered when formulating an opinion to who would win. You say you read the books...so you know the reasons why Jaime doesn't have the feats....for most of the series he has been well away from where the action was.

Judging it the way you are, one would have to come to the conclusion that would beat Jaime...because he has more feats.

You've read the books you know that his screen time increases. I'm not putting Jaime down, I hope I haven't given you that indication. I just feel that Maximus is the better fighter and would win here. If you want me to include Jaime's off screen feats so to speak, we can. :]

Yeah and you know that there's a very good reason why he doesn't have any combat feats when he does start showing up more

#35 Posted by protectyournose (908 posts) - - Show Bio

@Xanni15 said:

Maximus.

#36 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby:

If you want to take into account his off screen feats we can, and I am. I've acknowledged and know he's know as the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. It would be a cool fight to see on screen or read in a book.

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@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby:

If you want to take into account his off screen feats we can, and I am. I've acknowledged and know he's know as the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. It would be a cool fight to see on screen or read in a book.

Well...if we don't take any of his off panel feats into consideration its a pretty onesided fight. And it really should n't be. All of us that have read the books know how good Jaime is supposed to be....he just doesn't have the feats in the books because he's either well away from where all the action is...or because of other factors.

I agree it would be a good fight.. Maximus has more feats...but he doesn't have a ton of anything really impressive either. Most of the other Gladiators he beat were just fodder, A few of them were pretty decent though...and he did show an ability to fight on through pain and serious wounds in his fight against Commodus (although one could argue that was because of his bloodlust). Jaime's main advantage here is his longer reach with his sword. I suppose wha tit comes down to is how serious Jaime takes the fight and how much Maximus cares about winning.

#38 Posted by Xanni15 (6758 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@Xanni15 said:

@Shawnbaby:

If you want to take into account his off screen feats we can, and I am. I've acknowledged and know he's know as the finest swordsman in the Seven Kingdoms. It would be a cool fight to see on screen or read in a book.

Well...if we don't take any of his off panel feats into consideration its a pretty onesided fight. And it really should n't be. All of us that have read the books know how good Jaime is supposed to be....he just doesn't have the feats in the books because he's either well away from where all the action is...or because of other factors.

Agreed.

#39 Edited by Picard (982 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Never said that Jaime was not skilled - in fact this is one of rare instances when we discuss well matched opponents, most of the time battles on comicvine are pretty one sided. The question is: if he is skilled enough to defeat someone like Maxiumus? For example is he skilled enough to: kill wild tiger with a sword, with severe stab wound defeat skilled swordsman, with bound hands kill four Pretorians?Those were an elite group of soldiers that protected the Emperor:

Also we must remember that when Eddard was king's hand, he was past his prime and we never saw fim fighting.

#40 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby said:

No, but Eddard did state that he knew Jaime would beat him one on one.

Anyway...Jaime may be arrogant...but there's a reason for that...he's very good.

Never said that Jaime was not skilled - in fact this is one of rare instances when we discuss well matched opponents, most of the time battles on comicvine are pretty one sided. The question is: if he is skilled enough to defeat someone like Maxiumus? For example is he skilled enough to: kill wild tiger with a sword, with severe stab wound defeat skilled swordsman, with bound hands kill four Pretorians?Those were an elite group of soldiers that protected the Emperor:

Also we must remember that when Eddard was king's hand, he was past his prime and we never saw fim fighting.

Funny thing is that clip doesn't really show any swordsmanship on Maximus' part. Had the second Roman's Sword not stuck in his scabbard...he'd have been cut down right then.

If you wanted to show his skill...there are much better clips you could have picked. All this clip shows is him killing some fodder and taking a serious wound from one of them.

Were i you I'd have picked one of his Arena fights.

#41 Edited by Picard (982 posts) - - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby

Well, Pretorians were elite soldiers that protected the Emperor. He was kneeling with bound hands, while professional soldier was ready to stab him from behind, yet he disarmed him and kill him and his colleague while his hands were still bound. Then he killed third man before he even realised what hit him - Maxiums throw his blade with enough force to pierce armour and kill Pretorian on the spot. Yes, fourth man hurt him but only because he was on a horseback and mounted warrior have advantage over infantry. So yes, I think that it was impressive enough. Did Jaime ever did something similar?

#42 Posted by Shawnbaby (10403 posts) - - Show Bio

@Picard said:

@Shawnbaby

Well, Pretorians were elite soldiers that protected the Emperor. He was kneeling with bound hands, while professional soldier was ready to stab him from behind, yet he disarmed him and kill him and his colleague while his hands were still bound. Then he killed third man before he even realised what hit him - Maxiums throw his blade with enough force to pierce armour and kill Pretorian on the spot. Yes, fourth man hurt him but only because he was on a horseback and mounted warrior have advantage over infantry. So yes, I think that it was impressive enough. Did Jaime ever did something similar?

I didnt say it wasn't impressive...I said it didnt really show any impressive sword play. Also, to use the prevailing logic of this thread....what feats do those praeteorians have that they prove they have any skill at all? They are even more featless than Jaime.

I'm with you in the fact that because they are part of the emperor's guard they should be fairly skilled...but of course...we're talking about Rome during the decline. Those men may have just been sons of important Senators.What makes them "Elite Soldiers" If Jaime is simply "Featless"

Maximus killed 4 men there...The First and the Third was simply because he caught them off guard....the second was because the Soldiers blade stuck in his Scabbard. The Fourth..well...since he can throw a sword so well....why not repeat the trick and not take the wound in the first place? Instead of yelling at him and getting his attention...simply sneak in a little closer and take him out the same way? What saved him in that encounter was luck and determination to live, not skill, and he was still almost mortally wounded.

Jaime Lannister:

-At the age of 13 he won his first Tournament in the Melee.

-During the battle of Whispering Wood Jaime killed at least 4 men himself...all of them armed and ready.

-Was Knighted by Ser Arthur Dayne....A man still respected as one of the finest knights of his time by multiple sources including Ned Stark, Barristan Selmy, and Jaime himself. He slew several of the Kingswood Brotherhood and even crossed swords with the Smiling Knight, who was later killed by Dayne himself. A few months later he joins the Kingsguard. He is 15 years old.

-In the series he escapes capture by killing his own cousin and then their guard with a rock.

#43 Posted by Vaeternus (9410 posts) - - Show Bio

Maximus