Maxima vs World War Hulk

The mutant Selene, who alone has taken on the X-Men, is out for a walk on the town when she stumbles across the Hulk sitting at a bar. She tells him that she has selected him to be her consort. He tells her that he is not interested. After trying to seduce him failes also, she uses her power telepathic powers to try to gain control of him. The Hulk just gets up and tells her again that he is not interested.

After being poisened by Madman and near dying, the Leader captures the Hulk. The Hulk holds up the Leader against the wall and the Leader fights back with his mind blasts but even in his severely weakened state, he is able to resists the blasts.

The Hulk comes across Comet Man and the two accidently get into a fight. Comet Man tries to calm him down by using his "pitch thought" ability but the shear anger of the Hulk causes feedback back in his brain and pain.

Incredible Hulk #203

The Hulk was initially under the hypnotic control of Psyklop by the K'ai sorcerers break the spell. The Hulk is now so angry that the Psyklop's hypnotic power now has no effect on him.     
 

The Hulk is captured by Hydra and they use a special collar which drains his will power. Upon seeing Jim Wilson threatened by Hydra, the Hulk gets angry and is able to break free from the collar.

Incredible Hulk #345

The Hulk and Leader are fighting when the Leader creates an illusion in the Hulk's head in which he has grown to a huge size and is stepping on the Hulk, crushing him. The Hulk tries to fight back and then realizes that it can not possibly be real and refuses to believe it, breaking the illusion.

Incredible Hulk #345

The Hulk and Leader are fighting when the Leader creates an illusion in the Hulk's head in which he has grown to a huge size and is stepping on the Hulk, crushing him. The Hulk tries to fight back and then realizes that it can not possibly be real and refuses to believe it, breaking the illusion.

The Red Skull amplifies Mentallo's powers and is able to take over control of the Hulk's mind by projecting images of Bruce's father. Even so, the Hulk's mind eventually realizes it is all fake and is able to break free from Mentallo's control, causing a huge psychic backlash.

 Avengers #40 (Vol 3)

A whole town of people are changed into Hulk-like creatures and fight the Avengers. During the battle, all the Hulk-creatures merge and form one gigantic Hulk-creature. The Avengers get the Hulk for help who allows himself to merge with the Hulk-creature. The Hulk's mind and will are so strong that he overpowers the collective minds of the entire town and forces the gigantic Hulk-creature to break back apart.

The Hulk is trying to save some circus freaks under the control of the Ringmaster when the Ringmaster uses his hat to try to hypnotize the Hulk. The Hulk is so full of rage that the Ringmaster's hat absolutely no effect on him.

IS THAT ENOUGHT PROOF FOR YA?!

Maxima wins 
 
WWH at enraged levels became World Breaker Hulk, they should be equal in Strength, but Maxima is way more versatile. She has Telepathy, now Hulk has some telepathic resistance feats, but Maxima can increase the pressure of the Telepathy to a certain extent to which Hulk will not be able to handle. Maxima has held her own angainst Doomsday, Doomsday is the freak who could handle 11 Kryptonians, but eventually lost. Now Maxima also has telekenisis to help her. 
 
Maxima can BFR WWH. 
 
Plus Maxima is hot. Lol

@god_spawn:
@Death Certificate:

Like I said before I'm not superhuman so it's taking time for me to address everyone...and the scan of the Hulk punching the Surfer is NOT from Heros Reborn, the Hulk and Thor one is...I will admit that. 
 
And has it occured to anyone of you that the reason this thread as not been LOCKED is because the moderators feel the same way I do, that none has you have CLEARLY given proof or examples as to why Maxima can beat the Hulk?

I've proven his strength, I've proven he gets stronger when angered which puts the fight to his advantage, look at my scans and see how many times he's fought Thor who's not only extremely powerful but a battle test warrior, as the rule states NOT ALL BATTLES are PIS or CIS, so if the Hulk has fought Thor on several occasions and the outcome is basically the same it means he's on the level to kick Thor's butt, which means he's also up there on Superman's level. 
 
I've proven his durability, healing capabilities, how he's able to fight with opponets faster than him and just now his resistance to mental attacks. And I just proved that Maxima despite being powerful, fast, and durable has limits.  He was able to fight BOTH the West Coast and East Coast Avengers by himself for godsake, has Maxima ever taken on that many opponents by herself?
 

 
If she can't hit Doomsday while Superman is holding him that means he got faster than her did despite his size, she admitted it before he clocked her. Against a World War Hulk she's going down...period.

@comicdude23:
 

Like everyone else here says...show proof that her telepathic attacks could bring down the Hulk, if you look at my second to last post you'll see where the Hulk has resisted MANY of mental attacks from powerful telepaths...put your cards on the table like everyone else friend.

And a World Breaker Hulks Strength is beyond hers...his mere steps almost destroyed the World....

FYI - Maxima is hot...I won't dispute that.

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@comicdude23:
 

Like everyone else here says...show proof that her telepathic attacks could bring down the Hulk, if you look at my second to last post you'll see where the Hulk has resisted MANY of mental attacks from powerful telepaths...put your cards on the table like everyone else friend.

 

And a World Breaker Hulks Strength is beyond hers...his mere steps almost destroyed the World....

 

FYI - Maxima is hot...I won't dispute that.

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A small gamma bomb goes off in the Hulk's face, causing the Hulk to loose control. The Thing and Human Torch try to stop the Hulk's rampage but are not strong enough to stop him. As a final attempt, the Human Torch goes super nova (which is equal to the heat of the sun) and the Hulk just walks away from it, with little effect.     
 
Yeah...that's not gonna work.

and hulk wasnt gonna destroy the earth with his steps on pure strength and it was just the eastern sea board and that was threw massive amounts of gamma radiation coming from his body thanks to him being in his most angriest state ever with the gamma amp that happened and with each step was releasing gamma radiation into the earth destroy massive amounts of surrounding terrain

"@Valtot:  Yeah you're right...I retract that statement, but the fact that he can still survive a Nova Blast and Maxima can't survive the destruction of her own ship puts durability in the Hulks favor. "

" Maxima wins 
 
WWH at enraged levels became World Breaker Hulk, they should be equal in Strength, but Maxima is way more versatile. She has Telepathy, now Hulk has some telepathic resistance feats, but Maxima can increase the pressure of the Telepathy to a certain extent to which Hulk will not be able to handle. Maxima has held her own angainst Doomsday, Doomsday is the freak who could handle 11 Kryptonians, but eventually lost. Now Maxima also has telekenisis to help her.  Maxima can BFR WWH.  Plus Maxima is hot. Lol "

" @Blue Son: The Sun>>>>Gamma Bomb, but he did take the Supernova And Maxima doesn't need to Kill or KO The Hulk to win. She can throw him into the Sun. That is a BFR, taking him out of the battlefield "

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@god_spawn:
@Death Certificate:

Like I said before I'm not superhuman so it's taking time for me to address everyone...and the scan of the Hulk punching the Surfer is NOT from Heros Reborn, the Hulk and Thor one is...I will admit that. 
 
And has it occured to anyone of you that the reason this thread as not been LOCKED is because the moderators feel the same way I do, that none has you have CLEARLY given proof or examples as to why Maxima can beat the Hulk?

 

I've proven his strength, I've proven he gets stronger when angered which puts the fight to his advantage, look at my scans and see how many times he's fought Thor who's not only extremely powerful but a battle test warrior, as the rule states NOT ALL BATTLES are PIS or CIS, so if the Hulk has fought Thor on several occasions and the outcome is basically the same it means he's on the level to kick Thor's butt, which means he's also up there on Superman's level. 
 
I've proven his durability, healing capabilities, how he's able to fight with opponets faster than him and just now his resistance to mental attacks. And I just proved that Maxima despite being powerful, fast, and durable has limits.  He was able to fight BOTH the West Coast and East Coast Avengers by himself for godsake, has Maxima ever taken on that many opponents by herself?
 

 
If she can't hit Doomsday while Superman is holding him that means he got faster than her did despite his size, she admitted it before he clocked her. Against a World War Hulk she's going down...period.

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Doomsday is far superior to Hulk 
 
It took 11 Kryptonians to beat H / P Doomsday

An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases. An explosion creates a shock wave. If the shock wave is a supersonicdetonation, then the source of the blast is called a " high explosive". Subsonic shock waves are created by low explosives through the slower burning process known as deflagration.     
 
Boxers can generate up to 5,000 newtons of force with a punch, more than that exerted down by a half-ton on Earth's surface.      
 
You ask anyone in the military about explosions fron IEDs (improvised explosive device ), they will tell you that the first thing that kills a solider who is close to it is the force of the shockwave from the explosion, that's how body parts get blown off, after that it's shrapnel.

Maxima was knocked out from the force of the gas explosion, she died from the force of the explosion that blew up her ship when it was destroyed by Brainac's War World, if she was as durable as you claim this is she would have survived the explosion that Superman would have and flown away. 
   

"@comicdude23: 

Physics 101 here energy is engery dude...whether it's the force of a punch or the force of an explosion.  
 

An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases. An explosion creates a shock wave. If the shock wave is a supersonicdetonation, then the source of the blast is called a " high explosive". Subsonic shock waves are created by low explosives through the slower burning process known as deflagration.     
 
Boxers can generate up to 5,000 newtons of force with a punch, more than that exerted down by a half-ton on Earth's surface.      
 
You ask anyone in the military about explosions fron IEDs (improvised explosive device ), they will tell you that the first thing that kills a solider who is close to it is the force of the shockwave from the explosion, that's how body parts get blown off, after that it's shrapnel.

 

Maxima was knocked out from the force of the gas explosion, she died from the force of the explosion that blew up her ship when it was destroyed by Brainac's War World, if she was as durable as you claim this is she would have survived the explosion that Superman would have and flown away. 
   

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The Hulk is surrounded by the Avengers trying to capture him and he claps his hands together, knocking them out instantly. His clap is compared to a sonic boom.    Let's see...I see Hercules....and I see on yeah the Vision...now before Doomsday took on Superman wasn't it members of the Justice League he was fighting? And in one of his classic battles the Hulk took on BOTH teams of the West Coast and East Coast Avengers, but he's not on his level right? 
  

Maxima has more combo Speed than Hulk, she is at the same Strength level, and has enough Speed to beat on him until he can no longer carry on 
 
Why should Hulk win? 
 
What advantages does he have? 
 
Maxima can move around more, she can Fly, she has superior Speed, she can punch and punch him, and she also has enough Strength to hurt him  

  
Saying it is not the same as proving it...no one has proven her strength other than be able to knock around both Superman and Doomsday a bit...where has she delivered a KO and won a definite fight physically.  Reference a book or show me a scan. 
 
And I just showed the Hulk able to catch someone with the ability to fly (see my Comet Man scan), so that's not going to be a problem for him. 
 
@Death Certificate:      
 

1) That  sliver fight came from heroes reborn, the main why they where fighting was because hulk didn't have banner and was dying. Also why even bother bringing up that hulk vs thor scan if you knew it was useless?   

 
Show me a book reference please. I've shown you many.

2) The Mod don't always lock thread pointless threads  

 
That's you opinion that this thread is pointless... 
 

3) Considering that there scans of thor having better feats on this thread that you ignored , everyone pointing out how hulk beat up a weaken/jobbering gladitor and using a non-cannon fight against sliver surfer. Meaning no he's not on superman level  

 Despite Thor's impressive feats you seem to ignore the many battles that Hulk has had with Thor beating the hell out of him. Several writers and artists created several different stories at several different times all with the Hulk beating the hell out of Thor. ALL OF THEM ARE BAD WRITERS? ALL OF THEM ARE PIS? I don't think so, proves that Hulk is on par with Thor despite his many amazing feats.
 

4)Nice way take things out of context, also aside from superman, she put decent effot against doomsday who is superior to the hulk.      

 
Put up a decent fight, still got knocked out by an explosion...

"@comicdude23: 
 

 
Incredible Hulk #404

The Hulk is surrounded by the Avengers trying to capture him and he claps his hands together, knocking them out instantly. His clap is compared to a sonic boom.    Let's see...I see Hercules....and I see on yeah the Vision...now before Doomsday took on Superman wasn't it members of the Justice League he was fighting? And in one of his classic battles the Hulk took on BOTH teams of the West Coast and East Coast Avengers, but he's not on his level right?

"

 And the fact that the Hulk was able to break the Gladiator's confidence proves how powerful he is because that is not easy to do. "

@comicdude23:

Hercules...the SON of Zeus who happens to be sky father and god of olympus is NOT on Maxima's level? Dude...come on.

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@comicdude23:

Hercules...the SON of Zeus who happens to be sky father and god of olympus is NOT on Maxima's level? Dude...come on.

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"First of all I think you need to read MY statement against, because I never stated that you said all of the Hulk's fights were PIS and not legitimate

"Okay...this is physics 101 here energy is engery dude...whether it's the force of a punch or the force of an explosion.  
 

An explosion is a rapid increase in volume and release of energy in an extreme manner, usually with the generation of high temperatures and the release of gases. An explosion creates a shock wave. If the shock wave is a supersonicdetonation, then the source of the blast is called a " high explosive". Subsonic shock waves are created by low explosives through the slower burning process known as deflagration.     
 
Boxers can generate up to 5,000 newtons of force with a punch, more than that exerted down by a half-ton on Earth's surface.      
 
You ask anyone in the military about explosions fron IEDs (improvised explosive device ), they will tell you that the first thing that kills a solider who is close to it is the force of the shockwave from the explosion, that's how body parts get blown off, after that it's shrapnel.

 

Maxima was knocked out from the force of the gas explosion, she died from the force of the explosion that blew up her ship when it was destroyed by Brainac's War World, if she was as durable as you claim this is she would have survived the explosion that Superman would have and flown away.

"Dude....look at this scan...what is Maxima saying on the TOP second panel after Superman who's holding Doomsday tells her to him in as hard as she can? " HOW CAN HE MOVE SO FAST?" Followed by him knocking her again and then dropping a van on her. Doomsday was getting faster and stronger.

"Quite simple, anyone can get hurt in a fight, I've been hurt in fights become, it's the guy or gal left standing who is the winner of the fight plain and simple.  

" Dude, in order to crush an object it takes of combination of density, weight and force (psi).   If you put a bone in an alligator's mouth he can crush it because the weight and density of the jaw and muscle supplied by the force he can put behind his bite allows him to crack it. But if you were to put a steel rod in that same alligator's mouth and he tries to crush it he'll end up breaking his jaw because the steel rod's properties are denser. 

"For the Dog of War (which by the way was created by Maestro, Hulk's alternate future self) to be able to have to capability to crush Adamantium the density of its metal has to be greater than that of Adamantium

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@comicdude23:

Hercules...the SON of Zeus who happens to be sky father and god of olympus is NOT on Maxima's level? Dude...come on.

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"Maxima wins 
 
WWH at enraged levels became World Breaker Hulk, they should be equal in Strength, but Maxima is way more versatile. She has Telepathy, now Hulk has some telepathic resistance feats, but Maxima can increase the pressure of the Telepathy to a certain extent to which Hulk will not be able to handle. Maxima has held her own angainst Doomsday, Doomsday is the freak who could handle 11 Kryptonians, but eventually lost. Now Maxima also has telekenisis to help her.  Maxima can BFR WWH.  Plus Maxima is hot. Lol "

"@comicdude23 said:

"Maxima wins 
 
WWH at enraged levels became World Breaker Hulk, they should be equal in Strength, but Maxima is way more versatile. She has Telepathy, now Hulk has some telepathic resistance feats, but Maxima can increase the pressure of the Telepathy to a certain extent to which Hulk will not be able to handle. Maxima has held her own angainst Doomsday, Doomsday is the freak who could handle 11 Kryptonians, but eventually lost. Now Maxima also has telekenisis to help her.  Maxima can BFR WWH.  Plus Maxima is hot. Lol "

I kinda doubt you on that jas Hulk is very resistant and unless she shows levels above Xavier or Emma Frost, but i agree Maxima wins by versatility, whether its speed blitz or BFR as hulk cant tag her. "

"@god_spawn said:

"@comicdude23 said:

"Maxima wins 
 
WWH at enraged levels became World Breaker Hulk, they should be equal in Strength, but Maxima is way more versatile. She has Telepathy, now Hulk has some telepathic resistance feats, but Maxima can increase the pressure of the Telepathy to a certain extent to which Hulk will not be able to handle. Maxima has held her own angainst Doomsday, Doomsday is the freak who could handle 11 Kryptonians, but eventually lost. Now Maxima also has telekenisis to help her.  Maxima can BFR WWH.  Plus Maxima is hot. Lol "

I kinda doubt you on that jas Hulk is very resistant and unless she shows levels above Xavier or Emma Frost, but i agree Maxima wins by versatility, whether its speed blitz or BFR as hulk cant tag her. "

Probably, his Telepathic resistance feats are pretty crazy, he's even resisted the Phoneix, but Maxima wins due to her versatility "

@Death Certificate:      
 

1) That  sliver fight came from heroes reborn, the main why they where fighting was because hulk didn't have banner and was dying. Also why even bother bringing up that hulk vs thor scan if you knew it was useless?   

 
Show me a book reference please. I've shown you many.

2) The Mod don't always lock thread pointless threads  

 
That's you opinion that this thread is pointless... 
 

3) Considering that there scans of thor having better feats on this thread that you ignored , everyone pointing out how hulk beat up a weaken/jobbering gladitor and using a non-cannon fight against sliver surfer. Meaning no he's not on superman level  

 Despite Thor's impressive feats you seem to ignore the many battles that Hulk has had with Thor beating the hell out of him. Several writers and artists created several different stories at several different times all with the Hulk beating the hell out of Thor. ALL OF THEM ARE BAD WRITERS? ALL OF THEM ARE PIS? I don't think so, proves that Hulk is on par with Thor despite his many amazing feats.
 

4)Nice way take things out of context, also aside from superman, she put decent effot against doomsday who is superior to the hulk.      

 
Put up a decent fight, still got knocked out by an explosion...

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"I don't know if you were either tired as I was when you made your last post...frustrated so you weren"t thinking straight....or not good at either physics or grammar in school

" @Blue Son said:

"I don't know if you were either tired as I was when you made your last post...frustrated so you weren"t thinking straight....or not good at either physics or grammar in school

Between me and you, I'm not the one that sucked in grammar school (judging by the content of your posts). Just saying. "

"@Death Certificate: 
  
1) Think like you posted goes to  " Heroes Reborn: The Return" (1997) - When then come BACK to the Marvel Universe 616...that makes it CANON.  2)  Fact that there isn't a decent decisive arguement really putting Maxima on top is why this is still going on, and I got the guts to keep debating.  3) It seems you have a personal hatred toward Marvel, you're constantly bashing their writers...they stiff you on a job of something?  4) That's you opinion...the fact is you didn't write the comic book. "

Hercules is mortal now and even before the chaos war upgrade he was never on sky father level. Idk what gave you that idea. quit twisting facts around its getting old.  

but i agree Maxima wins by versatility, whether its speed blitz or BFR as hulk cant tag her.       

"@Death Certificate:   1) The link  you posted goes to  " Heroes Reborn: The Return" (1997) - When the heores come BACK to the Marvel Universe 616...that makes it CANON.  2)  Fact that there isn't a decent decisive arguement really putting Maxima on top is why this is still going on, and I got the guts to keep debating.  3) It seems you have a personal hatred toward Marvel, you're constantly bashing their writers...they stiff you on a job of something?  4) That's you opinion...the fact is you didn't write the comic book. "

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WTF people...Maxima...Maxima can beat the Hulk?! What is it? Every single person with a Superman set of powers can overpower the Strongest there is?!  Next you people are going to say the Flash can beat the Hulk!!
 
This is the same Maxima who got killed putting her ship between Brainiac 13's Warworld right? And you're going to put her on the same level as the Hulk who's survived a head on blast from Galactus?!  The same Hulk that even thought he got beaten stood up against one of Zeus' lighning bolts and was able to rock his jaw?!  He's rocked the jaw of a "god" people!!
 
The same Hulk got caught in the explosion of the warp core of his ship which brought him to Sakaar, destroying the planet, and all it did was INCREASE his base level of strength dramatically. He can lift well over 100 tons in a functionally calm emotional state.       

Professor X one of the most powerful mutant Telepath in the Marvel Universe tried to slow down an angered World War Hulk with intense power; but the Hulk proved to be resistant to the Professor's psionic effects . Jean Grey another extremely powerful Telepath and Telekinesis  could not even stop and enraged Savage Hulk. 
 
He's fought and soundly defeated BOTH Gladiator and Sentry two guys who have or had Superman based  power levels. 
  
The Beyonder himself stated that the Hulk's potential strength is limitless. 
 
You want feats? 
 
He's supported a 150 billion ton mountain, dented true adamantium, fought against the West Coast and the East Coast Avengers teams AT THE SAME TIME for a prolonged period of time despite being weakened before the fight began due to separation from Bruce Banner, knocked out 3/4 of the Fanstastic Four by himself, fought Wonder Man, Iron Man, Vision and Scarlet Witch by himself, overloaded an energy absorption machine imbued with most of the combined power of himself, the Silver Surfer, the Doctor Strange and Namor, destroyed the Crypto Man after he was boasted with strength greater than Thor's, overpowered Thor, held a black hole core with his bare hands, almost broke the East Coast and threating to break the planet by the sheer output of force from his body, overcame a field of energy powerful enough to change the orbit of a planet, pushed spheres of matter and antimatter apart, destroyed an asteroid twice the size of Earth due mostly to his physical toughness and to the impulse generated by the contraction and relaxation of his legs, broke a space-time barrier with only two punches, cracked Onslaught's armor after an extremely enraged Savage Hulk emerged, held together the tectonic plates of a planet, destroyed a device designed to fight against the Celestials and sent a concussive force throughout countless dimensions due mostly to his power. 
 
He's tough enough to withstand the impact of a ground zero nuclear explosion and the full force of the Human Torch's Nova Blast, which has a maximum temperature of 1,000,000 degrees Fahrenheit, without sustaining injury.  
  

And here's a bit of SCIENTIFIC FACT people: Charles Q. Choi from LiveScience.com said that gamma rays are so powerful (the most powerful form of electromagnetic radiation and 10,000 times more powerful than visible light) that they can even create matter from energy - a possible explanation for the increased mass that Bruce Banner takes on during transformations. "Just as the Incredible Hulk 'is the strongest one there is,' as he says himself, so too are gamma ray bursts the most powerful explosions known." 
 
Gamma Rays which power the Hulk are more POWERFUL than the solar energy Superman gets his energy from I.E...HULK IS THE STRONGEST THERE IS....        
 
Maxima can't beat the Hulk...PERIOD...respect the canon...

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