#1 Edited by Bezza (3644 posts) - - Show Bio

..Or Batman v Daredevil without suits or gadgets, so its a pure H 2 H contest of skill, who wins?

#2 Posted by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (1794 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil takes the majority

#3 Edited by dondave (37594 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce

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#4 Posted by reaverlation (15941 posts) - - Show Bio

Wayne

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#8 Posted by Dernman (15115 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce

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#9 Posted by senglord (1485 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce has the strength, tactics, strategy, durability, and overall combat skill. Matt has his radar sense. I see Bruce edging a win due to Matt having a history of being tagged by peak humans like Punisher. But it would be a brutally good fight.

#10 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21878 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce, but not easily

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#14 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: @dondave: Based on that DD is faster and has better reflexes and he will be able to see all of Bruce's moves coming, muscle movement, heart rate, vocal pitch and the smell of his sweat are all tell tales for what his next movements will be. This fight will go down much the same way every Bats Vs DD battles do on the vine and that's DD will take majority if it's a random encounter but Bats would win if he has info on who he's fighting. But with no tech or suit this just makes it easier for DD.

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@jonny_anonymous: Doesn't stop all the established street levelers like Bruce from tagging Matt in this fight when Bruce has the stats to easily tag him.If you say Bruce won't tag matt,then Matt won't find Bruce due to Bruce's legendary stealth skills.Matt only has a slight speed/agility edge.Bruce is still more stronger,durable,a better fighter,etc.Bruce has more advantages over Matt than vice versa and Bruce will take down Matt in a difficult fight

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#16 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: Daredevil doesn't get tagged by non-powereds unless there is a reason for it. Batman can't sneak up on DD, no one can so his legendary stealth is completely useless. Also what makes you think Bruce is stronger? DD has fought off Tombstone and flipped cars before.

#17 Posted by reaverlation (15941 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Yeah it's because they can.You're making it seem like Matt will be untouchable when that's so completely wrong. Really?Bruce has been invisible to the senses of Superman and Martian Manhunter who's senses are leagues better than Matt's so I highly doubt it. I can bring those high feats like Bruce taking on Karate Kid.Bruce,while in a weakened state,almost shattering bazooka proof glass and redirecting a missile with pure strength.

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#18 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: Bats isn't touching DD until he wears him down and by that time DD will have taken him out. If Wolverine and the WInter Soldier can't sneak up on Matt then there is no way that Batman can, it's just that simple. Batman's stealth is aided by his suit and he doesn't even have that in this fight.

#19 Posted by AllStarSuperman (21878 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: Batman can't sneak up on DD, no one can so his legendary stealth is completely useless.

Hasn't Elektra done it multiple times?

#20 Posted by Frozen (13423 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Batman has disappeared in front of Superman, in a H2H contest he beats Matt. He's stronger, more durable, a better fighter, strikes harder and has comparable speed.

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#21 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: He does not have comparable speed, DD is faster on the account of his enhanced reflexes and like I said the only reason Batman can pull those disappearing acts is because his suit. Also what makes Batman more durable?

#22 Posted by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (1794 posts) - - Show Bio

@reaverlation: people who have no chance in hell still tag flash and spidey it's called plot it wouldn't be fun if daredevil dodged every attack an enemy throws on comicvine battles using abilities to their best daredevil would easily beat batman without no gadgets strictly h2h

#23 Edited by Frozen (13423 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Really? What relevance does his suit have here?

@comicsrulebutdbzdoes2 said:

@reaverlation: people who have no chance in hell still tag flash and spidey it's called plot it wouldn't be fun if daredevil dodged every attack an enemy throws on comicvine battles using abilities to their best daredevil would easily beat batman without no gadgets strictly h2h

No. Batman's best feats are H2H feats. Batman consistently sneaks up on and disappears from superhuman, but regardless physically he has advantages:

  • Strikes harder
  • Stronger
  • More durable
  • Better fighter
  • Comparable speed
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#24 Edited by reaverlation (15941 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Neither Logan or Bucky are in his league in stealth it's hilarious. His suit doesn't include invisibility it's all Bruce bru.Bruce still has more advantages over Matt in a fight that will gain Bruce the win

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#25 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: His suit helps block stuff like his heart beat and his body temperature. Also thanks for posting some out of continuity scans by the way.

#26 Edited by Frozen (13423 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Batman and Superman's first meeting wasn't out of continuity Post-Crisis, that was kept the same. In the New-52, he has yet again disappeared on Superman.

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#27 Edited by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: But it's out of continuity now so that's all that matters.

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#29 Edited by dorukesin (6042 posts) - - Show Bio

Wayne

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Batman. The Daredevil argument is great, though. Matt can't be tagged by someone like Bruce, and all the dozens of times he does get tagged are because there must be some extraneous context to it? The context is people like Bruce tag Matt all the time. He is not one of those capuchin monks from a hokey kung-fu movie that just saunters into a fight and goes untouched forever.

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#32 Edited by Wolverine08 (42440 posts) - - Show Bio

If you ignore the bad paint, you can see Daredevil kicking Batman in the head. The little Bat ears are there and everything.

Matt stomps.

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#33 Posted by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

@wolverine08: Yes, but Batman was wearing Wolverine's costume at the time. Failure was guaranteed.

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#34 Posted by jashro44 (21909 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: @frozen: The bat family continuity has been unchanged for the most part. Same deal with green lanterns.

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#35 Posted by Frozen (13423 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: Their meetings with Superman and others must have been retconned, not the solo stories though.

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#36 Posted by Wolverine08 (42440 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@wolverine08: Yes, but Batman was wearing Wolverine's costume at the time. Failure was guaranteed.

Don't bring childish excuses into this. Batman was wearing the costume of someone whom at that point and time, was the bestest there is. Not the second best, not third best. The bestest. There was no reason for him to fail. Matt's kicks are simply beyond comprehension.

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#37 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: That's not true at all no matter what DC tried to say in the beginning, even Snyder says it's different.

#38 Posted by Frozen (13423 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Most of Batman's solo canon is canon; perhaps not his writing with other powerhouses such as Superman.

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#39 Posted by jashro44 (21909 posts) - - Show Bio

@frozen: Yea anything that happened in a bat book or green lantern book is supposedly in continuity IIRC. I just think of them as the same they were before for the most part though.

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#41 Edited by Wolverine08 (42440 posts) - - Show Bio

Daredevil destroys large groups of fodder:

When has Batman destroyed large groups of fodder?

#DaredevilstompsThesekicksaretoomuch

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#42 Edited by Jayc1324 (12299 posts) - - Show Bio

Bruce is stronger, a better fighter, smarter, has better endurance and is tougher. Matt is a touch faster and has slightly better reflexes but he is most certainly not untouchable and batman has peak human speed and reflexes as well. And he could always TRY stealth. I think its possible it could work on some degree to daredevil since he's snuck up on superman before. Daredevil has also remarked that its difficult to track ninjas

#43 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: It's not though, it can't possibly be the same. Even the current writer said so.

#44 Posted by Saren (25681 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@wolverine08: Yes, but Batman was wearing Wolverine's costume at the time. Failure was guaranteed.

Don't bring childish excuses into this. Batman was wearing the costume of someone whom at that point and time, was the bestest there is. Not the second best, not third best. The bestest. There was no reason for him to fail. Matt's kicks are simply beyond comprehension.

I like how you say this like "The Best There Is" is an actual title Logan has and not just something the real martial artists decided to humor once he started strutting around calling himself that. Think of all the people who have worn Wolverine's costume. Logan? Fate worse than death. Daken? Killed by a puddle of water. Spider-Man? Killed and replaced by a real hero. Gorgon? Lost like a chump. The only logical conclusion is that Logan is a magnet for failure. Even his costume is a magnet for failure.

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#45 Posted by dondave (37594 posts) - - Show Bio

Lol

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#46 Edited by Bezza (3644 posts) - - Show Bio

..Knew this would be a good debate, two of the best marital artists/h2h fighters out there, stripped of gadgets and suits.. comic book fighting at its purist....almost like Nirvana unplugged....

If you ignore the bad paint, you can see Daredevil kicking Batman in the head. The little Bat ears are there and everything.

Matt stomps.

Man, I love this!! Funniest thing I've seen on here for ages.

Give this man his own stand up slot !!

#47 Posted by jashro44 (21909 posts) - - Show Bio

@jashro44: That's not true at all no matter what DC tried to say in the beginning, even Snyder says it's different.

When did he say this?

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#48 Edited by Wolverine08 (42440 posts) - - Show Bio

@saren said:

@wolverine08 said:

@saren said:

@wolverine08: Yes, but Batman was wearing Wolverine's costume at the time. Failure was guaranteed.

Don't bring childish excuses into this. Batman was wearing the costume of someone whom at that point and time, was the bestest there is. Not the second best, not third best. The bestest. There was no reason for him to fail. Matt's kicks are simply beyond comprehension.

I like how you say this like "The Best There Is" is an actual title Logan has and not just something the real martial artists decided to humor once he started strutting around calling himself that. Think of all the people who have worn Wolverine's costume. Logan? Fate worse than death. Daken? Killed by a puddle of water. Spider-Man? Killed and replaced by a real hero. Gorgon? Lost like a chump. The only logical conclusion is that Logan is a magnet for failure. Even his costume is a magnet for failure.

Pft, JimmyJamesPatchWeaponXHowlett was the bestest there is decades before all these so called "martial artists" like Batman and Daredevil were even wearing diapers. Even though fate has been a bit rough on the Wolverine clan for some time now, there have been bright spots. Sabretooth? He went from the jobber incarnate to bring time criminal. Designer suits and all. X-23 recently got herself a swimmingly handsome stud in O5 Cyclops. Now that's a smart woman. Daken had a slip up with the puddle incident, but now his metrosexual charm has let him become a Horseman of Death. The Wolverine fam is a noble family with a long line of psychopaths, killers, and the like. Matthew is simply superior to them, just like he is Batman.

#Lawyerswag

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#49 Posted by Jonny_Anonymous (33483 posts) - - Show Bio
#50 Edited by Frozen (13423 posts) - - Show Bio

@jonny_anonymous: Zero Year replaced Year One for canon, every other solo title is still canon --- The Killing Joke for instance, is canon.

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