Matrix vs Avengers

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Matrix Revolutions vs Avengers 2.

Smith and Neo are as they were in their final battle.

Everyone as shown. Ultron gets his army, Smith gets his army.

Death or KO.

Battle here inside the Matrix. Matrix rules apply for Matrix team.

Neo solos. He's the ones.

Neo solos. Agent smith solos

Fixed.

Neo can solo with phasing. Neo can solo as a human bullet. Neo can defeat everyone but Hulk and Thor with straight h2h.

Smith can solo as a human bullet. Smith can defeat everyone but Hulk and Thor with straight h2h.

Smith army can stomp via numbers. Smith army can stomp via conversion.

Thor can solo with Lightning/Mjolnir Slam spam.

Iron Man can solo via laser spin.

If Vision were here he could solo with phasing.

More complicated than you thought, huh? Matrix team 8/10

P.S. Scarlett also solos by being too hot too handle.

Iron Man gets ripped apart. lol

Ironman hacks the Matrix making him and Jarvis the new the Ones.

Thor generates a massive lightning storm creating an emp which was a major weakness to the machines of the Matrix.

Jarvis solos.

Ultron hacked the planet and only was kept from the nukes by Jarvis. Since Matrix rules apply, shouldn't Jarvis & Ultron solo?

@lukehero: you think Jarvisnor Ultron can hack several century advance tech of machines that conquered the world and possess super high tech unlike modern earth today?

ALeo of you want to go that rout, Neo Technopathy like abilities > to Ultron.

I think tha is a pointless debate.

Lol at them hacking the Matrix. It isn't just the internet.

@sirfizzwhizz: Ultron is a sentient artificial life that not only is rather flawless in hacking, considering he pretty much stomped Jarvis within seconds to the point of almost consume him, but the fact he's also formed by mystical energies of Asgardian magic. It's not pointless, Ultron has the means to hack the matrix and i'm quite sure Stark's technology is immensely more advanced than current technology by quite a significant margin.

@ghostravage: They have no feats hacking something like the Matrix. Sure you can say the potential is there but they haven't done it.

@darthaznable: The Matrix is a bunch of codes man, there's nothing complicate about corrupting binary codes, hell, Jarvis itself is mostly binary code just as the matrix.

@ghostravage: I feel who can hack who is a pointless argument when discussing the nature and abilities of Ultron and Stark tech vs Xion and the Machine World tech. Seriously, Smith alone was a replicating Virus that affected living Brains waves of people. Ultron nor Jarvis showed that ability. Also I feel the total AI hive mind is far superior as a whole to Jarvis feats of him alone.

So it's pointless to argue those points. I never meant for this battle to be who can hack who as this battle is under the pretense the MCU characters exist in the Matrix so Matrix characters have access to their powers.

Also Asgardian Magic? Thor stated there is no "magic" in the MCU ;) so Magic is irrelevant.

Lol how the hell would they hack matrix if they are in the matrix.

Hacking the matrix is kind of complicated.There are main frames,Protocols,ect...Anti viruses. To hack the matrix you need to be within the matrix.And must have the keys that will lead to different sources of the computer. Unless you're a prficient hacker that has a man within the system or the power to beat the system (Agent Smith) by overwrtting it0s code and replicationg it self.You also have to block out the connection that the machines have with that certain source or else they will fight back they can overwrite the hacker's code. Download info.Ect.... Technially...trying to shut down the matrix without a plan is suicide.

The bolded part is the only thing that matters in your scenario as i don't see why someone like Ultron would just notice everything is binary code inside the Matrix, even Neo started seeing things like this at some point. Regardless, maybe there's no "magic" in MCU even though i don't truly recall the statement, but it's a fact it still had mystical energies from Loki's scepter.

Smith solos with his billions of clones.

Neo and smith win

@sirfizzwhizz: Just the Avengers in the picture or all the Avengers from AoU?

Not sure if this comparison works. Clearly even the marvel cinematic universe is head of us in technology (well at least Tony Stark and people of that level). And not sure if the machines had to deal with hacking as advanced as the avengers. IIRC humans became extinct at some point in the matrix and were basically being grown for energy? I might be mixing mythologies on that so correct me if I am wrong.

Inside the Matrix, with Matrix rules in effect, Neo does Solo.

@jashro44: there is plenty of humans in Zion. Who sole goal is trying to target the matrix. All they can do is hit and runs though.

@ghostravage: Thor stated there is no such thing as Magic in his first movie. Asgardian Magic is misunderstood tech as he puts it.

Sure he can

And Prime has the Matrix. Your argument is invalid

Humans that hacked the Matrix repeatedly. MCU Tech > Matrix Tech. Shield made a weather machine, understands Asgardian Tech as they made use of the Destroyer and had Thor's friends working on understanding the Rainbow Bridge. All the Matrix is a very complex virtual reality machine. The machines couldn't stop the Matrix from being repeatedly hack, what makes you think they can stop Ultron?

EDIT: Also The Matrix being from the future is irrelevant. 1960's/1970's 616 Marvel and Classic 1960's/1970's Dr. Who already better tech then anything in the Matrix and would embaress both MCU & The Matrix when it comes to tech despite the Matrix being decades ahead in the timeline.

Go watch Agents of Shield and Agent Carter, Tony's Dad already had tons of advanced tech.

@ghostravage: @jashro44: @sirfizzwhizz:

Tagging people who may be interested. Just to drive home my point on the MCU being vastly superior to The Matrix Tech. What were the machines trying to find and forced them to enslave humans in The Matrix? A continual energy source. In Avengers Tony Powers Up Stark with self sustaining energy. Basically he did something that the Machines couldn't ever figure out how to do and self sustaining energy would have saved every single human in the Matrix from enslavement.

MCU Tech>>>> Matrix

@lukehero: How do they even know that they're in a computer program that can be hacked

@alakemega123: Because Jarivs and Ultron will see they code because they are advanced computers/machines. All the matrix is is code even your laptop can read code. It's not complected at all.

Le sigh

All you need to say is "Despite the fight being in the real world, the Matrix team has their powers as if they were in the Matrix.". Neutralize the universe and avoid all this bullshit about hacking the Matrix. Jesus. Like that's the only argument in favour of the Avengers. Common sense says that this battle was made to be a physical battle, not some bullshit about hacking.

Look alive, people!

@monsterstomp:

Common sense says that this battle was made to be a physical battle, not some bullshit about hacking.

Look alive, people!

That's on the OP to do, not us.

@monsterstomp:

Actually common sense would be to follow the OP, which puts the battle in the Matrix, meaning the hacking is in. Since everybody is arguing whether or not they can hack it, the sense you're referring to as common is uncommon as it pertains to this battle.

@lordofallhumans: My bad bruv, I guess I have selective reading :P

Lol. Oh shit, I missed that. Make myself look like a fool. Silly rules tbh. Avengers stomp since it just doesn't work. For Iron Man, Hulk etc. to be in the Matrix, they'd have to be lobotomized and attached to a device, or they have to be jacked in.

It just doesn't work.

The mere presence of Thor crashes the Matrix and sets everyone free, to be honest.

The OP did actually say stop mentioning the hacking nonsense. Even if it was in it wouldn't be accessible to anyone other than an operator who is supervising from the outside.

Neo/Smith solos. These are computer laws that the One, and other sentient, powerful programs, can alter and modify autonomously.

This is a question for the OP

How can anyone with against Matrix characters in the matrix?

Yes but these humans don't exactly have super advanced tech. There resources are vastly limited since they live in a world that the machines rule. What tech do these humans have that is that is as advanced as MCU tech aside from the matrix itself which was created by the machines?

@sirfizzwhizz: MCU tech is superior. Point blank. Deal with it :)

@monsterstomp:

It's cool FYI you should chill on the swearing somebody might flag you :)

The OP is also arguing in his own thread for the Matrix which would suggest he didn't think this through and was quite possibly trying to tip the scales in their favor which backfired the moment I mentioned hacking as a stomp. The only reason why operators hack from the outside in the movie is because their tech is physical and can't go into the Matrix. The team gets all of their powers and tech in this battle regardless of the battlefield, meaning the tech they would use to hack is available and fully operational. Then of course Thor can just create a massive EMP for another stomp since people don't like hacking.

EMP Guns. Flying naval ships. Bi Pedal Mech Warriors. The ability to live in the poisonous environment of the earths core with their machines that keep them alive. The ability to jack into the Matrix. The ability to accommodate, and adapt tech that allows human minds into programs in general is insane high tech and beyond our reach.

There not low tech to me when we today cannot do what they do.

To the Humans, not Machines. The canon Animatrix shows what Machines can do, and its insane. More than equal to anything Iron Man shown mate. Deal with that :)

@lordofallhumans: "shit" is a legal word. But fair enough :)

@sirfizzwhizz:Aw hell naw!

Jarvis or Ultron solo by hacking the Matrix. Jarvis will know how to code the Avengers as powerful as The One, thus giving them the win.

Honestly a lot of what you said is stuff that is in the MCU as well.

The OP is trying to legislate some sense into this argument. There is a point to the OP coming into the argument and mitigating some of the waste that various posters are imposing. How would they use to hack into the matrix? What access do they have? How are they connected? Is Tony familiar with the languages and codes of the matrix? Is Ultron? Don't just assume simply because they're computers and what not. Hacking isn't unilateral, once one side is hacked the other is just as susceptible to it.

Hacking isn't the inquisition though.

The question is one of physicality. Who would win in a physical fight? Tony and Ultron fought mechanical beings without hacking. Has Thor ever produced an EMP?

Thor solos with lightning.