Marvels The Beyonder and Galactus vs Star Trek's The Q continuum

#1 Posted by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - 1 year, 11 days ago - Show Bio

Both universe clash and The Q Conituum thinks that The Marvel universe is weak and needs to be dealt with.The Beyonder and Galactus team up and visit the Q Continuum to comfront the Q Continuum.

  • Galactus haves his heralds
  • All are at full Strength
  • battle takes place on the planet Taa

vs

and the rest of the Q continuum

WHO WILL WIN!!!

#2 Posted by mezlabor (59 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

First post on this forum! I'm gonna give this one to the Q continuum. The Q are Omnipotent. They can do ANYTHING they can imagine. Where as galactus needs his ship and a lot of time to devour a world the Q can just unmake a world in the time it takes them to think about it.

#3 Posted by cliffrice (906 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Full powered Pre retconned beyonder is pretty much a Q. However Q has better imagination so i think that will count for something.

#4 Posted by mezlabor (59 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

It really comes down to the Beyonder and Q then. The rest of them would be unmade by the Q before they knew what happened. Then you have the Beyonder alone facing the entire Continuum.

#5 Posted by Shawnbaby (5858 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Galactus and the Heralds are pretty much non factors here.  
 
In the end i'm not sure if the Q or the Beyonder could really do anything at all to each other.

#6 Posted by mezlabor (59 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby: Well considering Dr Doom was able to use super science to steal the Beyonder's powers I think the Q take it. Nothing ever threatened a Q but another Q in Star Trek.

#7 Posted by First_Last (400 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

I can't recall the Q ever going up against other high powered entities before? I do recall Q being checked and chastised by other Q's though. That leads me to believe that to normal people they appear as omnipotent though they prob aren't. I could see the Q defeating Galactus and heralds but as of now I think Pre retcon Beyonder would be to much for them.

#8 Posted by mezlabor (59 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Well there is no other entity as powerful as the Q in Star Trek. It is made clear the Q are immortal and can not die unless they want to (star trek voyager) The Q are omnipotent and they referred to how they have in the past destroyed entire galaxies with a thought they exist outside of linear time and can see past present and future at the same time. In star Trek they are shown to be pretty omnipotent and again it comes down to one thing. The Beyonder has been challenged and had his powers stripped by Doom. Nothing but another Q can do that to a Q. And it cant even be a single Q the continuum needs to get together to strip a Q of his powers. The Q's powers were never really questioned ever in star trek only their questionable morality was.

#9 Posted by Shawnbaby (5858 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio
@mezlabor said:

@Shawnbaby: Well considering Dr Doom was able to use super science to steal the Beyonder's powers I think the Q take it. Nothing ever threatened a Q but another Q in Star Trek.

Can you say Doom couldn't use the same Super Science on the Q?
#10 Posted by mezlabor (59 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@mezlabor said:

@Shawnbaby: Well considering Dr Doom was able to use super science to steal the Beyonder's powers I think the Q take it. Nothing ever threatened a Q but another Q in Star Trek.

Can you say Doom couldn't use the same Super Science on the Q?

I mean you could say that but in Star Trek we're never shown ever a way that the Q can be stripped of their powers outside of the continuum so there's no precedent for them being stripped by a human. There is precedent for the Beyonder being stripped. Its sort of hard to argue that Doom could do it because we're crossing continuities. Looking inside of their relative continuities there's no precedent for it for the Q so I will say no.

#11 Posted by rpgr (331 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Q. Better consciousness. When has any comic character been able to be shown to comprehend things in such a way that timeline is not a factor?

#12 Edited by Shawnbaby (5858 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio
@mezlabor said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@mezlabor said:

@Shawnbaby: Well considering Dr Doom was able to use super science to steal the Beyonder's powers I think the Q take it. Nothing ever threatened a Q but another Q in Star Trek.

Can you say Doom couldn't use the same Super Science on the Q?

I mean you could say that but in Star Trek we're never shown ever a way that the Q can be stripped of their powers outside of the continuum so there's no precedent for them being stripped by a human. There is precedent for the Beyonder being stripped. Its sort of hard to argue that Doom could do it because we're crossing continuities. Looking inside of their relative continuities there's no precedent for it for the Q so I will say no.

The Beyonder said the same thing before Doom Stripped him of his powers. And there is precedent for a Q having his powers Stripped. 
#13 Edited by mezlabor (59 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

@Shawnbaby said:

@mezlabor said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@mezlabor said:

@Shawnbaby: Well considering Dr Doom was able to use super science to steal the Beyonder's powers I think the Q take it. Nothing ever threatened a Q but another Q in Star Trek.

Can you say Doom couldn't use the same Super Science on the Q?

I mean you could say that but in Star Trek we're never shown ever a way that the Q can be stripped of their powers outside of the continuum so there's no precedent for them being stripped by a human. There is precedent for the Beyonder being stripped. Its sort of hard to argue that Doom could do it because we're crossing continuities. Looking inside of their relative continuities there's no precedent for it for the Q so I will say no.

The Beyonder said the same thing before Doom Stripped him of his powers.

You know if Data or someone from Star Trek was able to find some super science way to stop or slow down the Q Id say there's an argument for Doom there, but we just never see it. Marvel has a habit of always having a bigger fish or having power levels fluctuate from writer to writer. This happens in Trek as well but one thing that's constant across all the star trek shows from TNG thru Voyager is that nothing but another Q stops a Q. The other ting that makes this hard for Doom is that the Q live outside linear time. They could see Doom trying before he even thought of it and unmake Doom before he's born.

#14 Posted by Shawnbaby (5858 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Power Fluctuation between writers is meaningless here as it is stated in the OP that all are at Full Power. We're dealing with Omnipotents vs Omnipotents....which is why I say it's a stalemate.

#15 Posted by First_Last (400 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

Irrc the Q have never gone up against anything high powered. No magic users, no tk/tp users, no reality manipulators, no time/space manipulators, no molecule manipulators ect ect... If they had faced any of the other high powered STU beings, such as Crystalline Entity, the Gods from OG Star Trek, the giant floating heads ect, we might be able to gauge this better. Yet they have not so we have no idea if they possess any resistance to any of those abilities.

#16 Posted by Ferro Vida (33848 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio
@mezlabor said:

@Shawnbaby said:

@mezlabor said:

@Shawnbaby: Well considering Dr Doom was able to use super science to steal the Beyonder's powers I think the Q take it. Nothing ever threatened a Q but another Q in Star Trek.

Can you say Doom couldn't use the same Super Science on the Q?

I mean you could say that but in Star Trek we're never shown ever a way that the Q can be stripped of their powers outside of the continuum so there's no precedent for them being stripped by a human. There is precedent for the Beyonder being stripped. Its sort of hard to argue that Doom could do it because we're crossing continuities. Looking inside of their relative continuities there's no precedent for it for the Q so I will say no.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Q has never faced anyone even close to Doom's threat level. And when Doom stole the Beyonder's power he did so using Galactus's power, and Galactus has no feats from when he is at full power. We do not that regular Galactus is Eternity's equal, and that when he was first created at the beginning of the Universe he destroyed Elder Gods (beings one the level of Tenebrous and Aegis. Together they were able to defeat a weakened Galactus).  
 
I mention Galactus because under no circumstances was Doom able to take the Beyonder's power on his own. He need extremely advanced alien tech and the power of a being that is Eternity's equal to do so. 
 
Also, if it is true that Q has been chastised by other Qs then he is not truly omnipotent. So where is the evidence he is truly powerful enough to face down the Beyonder? Has he ever defeated another being with the kind of power that he wields?
#17 Posted by Killemall (13449 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

The picture is PR Beyonder, he solo even if Galactus and rest of the heralds were fighting for the other team.

I mean come on odin has been said to be omnipotent too, like a 100 times and Galactus would smoke him.

You dont mess with the PR Beyonder. :)

#18 Posted by Beerhappy (283 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

I see Q taking this. Like stated before no one but other Q's can take away the power. And Dr. Doom is supra genius level, but the characters in Star Trek are no slouches when it comes to genius feats. And as far as moelcule manipulations and time travel, Star Fleet already can do that and still cant touch Q. The telepath cant even read Q.

#19 Posted by MagneticShockwave (1245 posts) - 1 year, 10 days ago - Show Bio

When it comes to Beyonder and Q there is no such thing as one planet Taa lol

#20 Posted by Sci_Fi_Rulez (1059 posts) - 7 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

BUMP!!!

#21 Posted by P0rtal (704 posts) - 7 months, 13 days ago - Show Bio

The Star Trek and Marvel Universes abide by different laws. In Star Trek, Q cannot resurrect the dead, but the Beyonder in the Marvel Universe can. He is potentially infinitely more powerful than Death. This is really Qs only limitation.

The fight is a stalemate, both the Q continuum and the Beyond are basically the exact same thing, literally the same thing. A realm beyond all physical matter and universes, dimensional and realities. It is the place that contains all physical realities. The Q have full power over it, as does the Beyonder. Its a dead even match.

#22 Posted by JohnnyZ256 (584 posts) - 6 months, 2 days ago - Show Bio

@P0rtal: Actually, Q is able to resurrect the dead. What makes you think he can't?

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