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#1 Posted by Hellraiser of Despair (71 posts) - - Show Bio

No limits, all characters in play, all realities in play, no whining. LET THE BATTLE BEGIN!

#2 Posted by HalJordan1986x (4760 posts) - - Show Bio

DC
5 billion 5th dimensional imps

#3 Edited by EganTheVile1 (6181 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel
Celestial, Uni-Power, Phoenix Force, Epoch, Lady Death, Odin, Living Tribunal, Galactus, In-Betweener, Order, Kaos, Stranger, Galactus, Sentry, Thor, Loki, Doc Strange, Professor X, Gladiator, Uatu, Dormammu, Mephisto, Thanos, Sleeping Celestial, Eternity and a myriad of the greatest heroes and villains alive today!

#4 Posted by Sasuke (396 posts) - - Show Bio

DC no contest

#5 Posted by Lunacyde (17387 posts) - - Show Bio

Duh...the answer is Devil's Due!

#6 Posted by Scarlet Thor (1112 posts) - - Show Bio

no it's not all these...
It's just the creators of each universe vs each other and it is a draw unless someone can prove  that  One Above All can beat the Presence etc...

#7 Posted by Lunacyde (17387 posts) - - Show Bio

Good Point Scarlet Thor

#8 Posted by Scarlet Thor (1112 posts) - - Show Bio
Lunacyde said:
"Good Point Scarlet Thor"
thanx
#9 Posted by Lunacyde (17387 posts) - - Show Bio

Hmm...another good point....of course in Theology Christian God has never met another being of similar power....he is the Alhpa and Omega...the everything....so there is no need for him to fight.

#10 Posted by Scarlet Thor (1112 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"Scarlet Thor said:
"no it's not all these...
It's just the creators of each universe vs each other and it is a draw unless someone can prove  that  One Above All can beat the Presence etc..."
God never does battle like that, even in our world Christian God uses Angels and Mortals to fight Satan, he never gets directly involved, these two would be no different especailly the one that is kind of based on christian God."
he said no limits everyone in
#11 Posted by IcePrince_X (4633 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel all the way!

#12 Posted by Lunacyde (17387 posts) - - Show Bio

Its just more interesting if they stay out of it anyway so lets stick with that....even though it was a good thought Scarlet thor

#13 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio

lettme get this strait ur letting every charicter from every comic book fight?this thread cant be done NONE of us can even imgine the huge numbers involved its overwhelming its mind bogleing logistics. if anything i'd say marvel cu they have the petagree and the sheer numbers from all the alternite universes in all the timelines. that like 4 phoenixes working togather. u got 2 cables (one without the virus)...still only one x man.wierd... but all there power houses are times 2. theres 2 apocolipses. onslaught the hulk juggernaught and trion juggs.proffessor x's probably just going aroung murdering mass groups of others.(theres one of him for each time line and one where he instead of marko got the juggs power.) theres like 4 magnetosjust crushing people.

#14 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"God never does battle like that, even in our world Christian God uses Angels and Mortals to fight Satan, he never gets directly involved, these two would be no different especailly the one that is kind of based on christian God."

It's company against company. Everyone fights. He said no limits, everyone in. No argument there.

eganthevile1 said:
"Marvel
Celestial, Uni-Power, Phoenix Force, Epoch, Lady Death, Odin, Living Tribunal, Galactus, In-Betweener, Order, Kaos, Stranger, Galactus, Sentry, Thor, Loki, Doc Strange, Professor X, Gladiator, Uatu, Dormammu, Mephisto, Thanos, Sleeping Celestial, Eternity and a myriad of the greatest heroes and villains alive today!"

DC has people that could match these that you name.
#15 Posted by Scarlet Thor (1112 posts) - - Show Bio

Well if no creators allowed then I guess it's a draw between Marvel n DC and nothing survives the clash

#16 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
kaino12 said:
"lettme get this strait ur letting every charicter from every comic book fight?this thread cant be done NONE of us can even imgine the huge numbers involved its overwhelming its mind bogleing logistics. if anything i'd say marvel cu they have the petagree and the sheer numbers from all the alternite universes in all the timelines. that like 4 phoenixes working togather. u got 2 cables (one without the virus)...still only one x man.wierd... but all there power houses are times 2. theres 2 apocolipses. onslaught the hulk juggernaught and trion juggs.proffessor x's probably just going aroung murdering mass groups of others.(theres one of him for each time line and one where he instead of marko got the juggs power.) theres like 4 magnetosjust crushing people."
#17 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
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Then marvel wins, DC versions of God have been killed and layed low by it's own creations, the Spectre (which many said was at full power, meaning all of gods wrath) couldn't even handle Ion. 
The Presence/Source is DC's God. Not Spectre. No one has ever killed him.
#18 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio

OH I FORGOT!!! MOJO's world there are tiny versions of the x men being massed produced.so intell thats distroyed theres infinate number of prof x sending people to the astrial plane.

#19 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"He is an extension of Gods power and his powers are dependent on how much power God gives him, if he is at full power than that is the full wrath of God, therefore against the wrath of God Ion was victorious."

But, he's not God. God is all powerful. He isn't. God cannot be beaten. The Spectre may have been beaten, but not the Presence/Source. 
#20 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio

and then theres franklen richards willing people into non existance willy-nilly

#21 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
If that were true than Spectre would have been powerful enough to not be trapped in green chains right?  to prove that TOAA is greater, when LT speaks as a representative of TOAA everybody listens, when the Spectre does as a rep. of God he is met with resistance, his power can also be stolen by Black Alice, I doubt the all mighty God would be so careless, Takion is the Source made flesh so to speak and he too has been layed low by lesser beings, you figure in battles that threaten to undo all that God has done, two beings empowered by him would be able to handle the aggressors, neiher of them could."

Spectre may have been beaten, but how can you beat the Source when he's omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent, as well as being the source of creation? Everyone listening to the Living Tribunal is different (seeing that Living Tribunal is on another level from Spectre), while no one does the same for Spectre has nothing to do with it. If his power can be stolen by Black Alice, then what does that tell you about Spectre? He doesn't represent God... He's not as powerful as God. Beating Spectre doesn't equate being Source. He can empower anybody he wants, but that doesn't mean he's giving 100% of it. Takion is may be of the Source, but he's not 100% of the Source, but a Source Elemental.

You can't beat someone who's omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent. Especially when no lesser being has done it. Spectre being defeated by Ion has nothing to do with the Source itself.
#22 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio

u know u give dr doom enough time he'll find a way to take the Source's power he has done it for all the other gods.

#23 Edited by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
kaino12 said:
"u know u give dr doom enough time he'll find a way to take the Source's power he has done it for all the other gods."

Has Doom ever tried this on the One-Above-All? He could easily cause Doom to cease to exist before he could even think to do that.
#24 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"The way Spectre appears near the end should be evidence enough that God was like ok now I'll send in my wrath to stop this foolishness, yet he was unable to."

And, the Source wasn't defeated, yet he sent someone else to do his job for him. The Source can't be defeated by a lesser being.
#25 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio

when u get dr doom dr strange mr fantastic and magneto to gather im sure they can create a mechine to take away the powers of the source.

#26 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
kaino12 said:
"when u get dr doom dr strange mr fantastic and magneto to gather im sure they can create a mechine to take away the powers of the source."

Really? You don't think Source would already know what they are planning? That wouldn't work. If they tried that on One-Above-All, they would fail. Gods like that know all things. You can't plan to defeat something of that caliber when it knows you're planning to.
#27 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
Static Shock said:
"kaino12 said:
"when u get dr doom dr strange mr fantastic and magneto to gather im sure they can create a mechine to take away the powers of the source."

Really? You don't think Source would already know what they are planning? That wouldn't work. If they tried that on One-Above-All, they would fail. Gods like that know all things. You can't plan to defeat something of that caliber when it knows you're planning to."
true but it has alowed it befor why wouldent it allow it agen.
#28 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
kaino12 said:
"true but it has alowed it befor why wouldent it allow it agen."
When has the One-Above-All ever been defeated by his own creations?
#29 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio

i can do one better OUR god who is more omnipitant allowed satin to usurp his powers (devil worshiping.) now as far as toaa goes im not sure but im sure uatu and the other watchers can give him a run for his money.

#30 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
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Yeah when TOAA sent LT to stop the IG it was stopped.  When the Starbrand was too much for 616, LT stopped it.  When the HoTI was in play TOAA acted directly to stop it.  As I said DC versions of God have proven that they are not as omnipotent as people believe or the creatures they empower to the fullest would never fail.   I hear even Superman can break down the gates of Heaven, which is utterly ridiculous since God decides who goes in and out.

"
The Source can't be defeated. Never has been. Never will be, unless it's fighting some equal. Just because they send people to do things for them and fail, doesn't mean that the Source itself can be beaten. He's not giving these people 100% of his power. One-Above-All can Living Tribunal to do his bidding, but LT himself is omnipotent and omniscient, 2/3 as powerful as One-Above-All. The Spectre is nowhere close to being as powerful as LT. There's no comparison. As far as I'm concerned, the Spectre doesn't represent the Source. Just because someone says that Superman can break the gates of Heaven doesn't mean he can really do it. It would be different if the Source itself said it was possible. However, the Source is the reason why the Omega Beams don't effect Superman. If the Source wanted, he could allow Superman to do so, but there's no evidence that Superman could do it under his own strength. Why? Because it's never happened.
#31 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
"kaino12 said:
"i can do one better OUR god who is more omnipitant allowed satin to usurp his powers (devil worshiping.) now as far as toaa goes im not sure but im sure uatu and the other watchers can give him a run for his money."

the devil has been allowed by God to more or less rule as he pleases to allow humans a chance to prove themselves, it is the reason we were given freewill, so that the prophecy of revelations make since.  If you are talking about the TOAA that is a celestial maybe, but the other not so much, Uatu was the one that called Phoenix second to the creator (TOAA) if he could give it/her/him a run for its/his/her money I'm sure he would have not made that comment."
i said uatu and all the watchers the whole spiecies and there are like 4 phoenixes 4 all fully powered and everything.
#32 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
kaino12 said:
"i can do one better OUR god who is more omnipitant allowed satin to usurp his powers (devil worshiping.) now as far as toaa goes im not sure but im sure uatu and the other watchers can give him a run for his money."
Satan isn't omnipotent like our God is... And, Satan, like everyone else, has free will. God isn't gonna stop someone from getting their own power. And the Uatu isn't on One-Above-All's level. He's the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe. He made the Watchers. LOL.
#33 Posted by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio
Static Shock said:
"kaino12 said:
"u know u give dr doom enough time he'll find a way to take the Source's power he has done it for all the other gods."

Has Doom ever tried this on the One-Above-All? He could easily cause Doom to cease to exist before he could even think to do that."
Pre-retcon Beyonder was TOAA. And Dr. Doom beat him.
#34 Posted by kaino12 (3151 posts) - - Show Bio
Static Shock said:
"kaino12 said:
"i can do one better OUR god who is more omnipitant allowed satin to usurp his powers (devil worshiping.) now as far as toaa goes im not sure but im sure uatu and the other watchers can give him a run for his money."
Satan isn't omnipotent like our God is... And, Satan, like everyone else, has free will. God isn't gonna stop someone from getting their own power. And the Uatu isn't on One-Above-All's level. He's the most powerful being in the Marvel Universe. He made the Watchers. LOL."

so they wouldent be fighting eachother anyway. its marvel vs blah marvel curbstomp!!
#35 Posted by Rei-Kai (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

Ok, take out the Absolute Beings and leave everyone else, and Marvel wins. Pre-Retcon Beyonder takes everyone by himself. He punked the Living Tribunal. Or just throw in Squirrel-Girl. The more powerful the figure she fights, the more brutal the take down. Squirrel-Girl is a plot-device of epic proportions.

#36 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Phoenix of the Black Throne said:
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If the source is as Omni-everything as you say, then it's agents would not fail.  So you're saying that the Source/God knew that Takion and Spectre would be no match for Ion?  A truly Omnipotent God would never allow his champions to be beaten if he sent them to fight unless to show them humility which was not the case during Zero Hour.  A truly omniscient then it would have known the outcome and being omnipotent would have given them the power needed to win.  Now if you want to argue that all this was allowed to happen because God and his ways are unknowable then fine, but DC didn't write it that way and when your agents fail you by extention fail unless you come in and do something about it.  That is why TOAA never intervenes it keeps the all powerful aspect of him intact."

Source's agents may fail, but Source isn't the one who fails. He can send off anyone to fight anybody, but it doesn't mean he's giving them the power to do it. If they lose, then it's on them. An omnipotnent God is omnipotent on his own, and he power doesn't extend to others unless he wants it to. His agents failing doesn't mean that the Source itself can lose to lesser beings.
 
Kimikirai said:
"Pre-retcon Beyonder was TOAA. And Dr. Doom beat him."

Evidence?
#37 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't know the Image, Dark Horse or Mirage gods are, so I will say draw between DC and Marvel. On account that They have THEE SUPREME BEINGS. So nothing else can beat them.

I thought before coming into this thread that if people actually said a company they would be fans of that company.

for example

Scarlet Thor said:

"no it's not all these...
It's just the creators of each universe vs each other and it is a draw unless someone can prove  that  One Above All can beat the Presence etc..."
See the way he says if the MARVEL god can beat the DC GOD and not the other way around or something more along the lines of if one god can beat another.

And people that say otherwise are just fanboys. An equal can't beat an equal. That's why the term 'draw' is used.
#38 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Supreme Marvel said:
"ISee the way he says if the MARVEL god can beat the DC GOD and not the other way around or something more along the lines of if one god can beat another.

And people that say otherwise are just fanboys. An equal can't beat an equal. That's why the term 'draw' is used.
"

Good point.
#39 Posted by Supreme Marvel (11264 posts) - - Show Bio
Static Shock said:
"Supreme Marvel said:
"ISee the way he says if the MARVEL god can beat the DC GOD and not the other way around or something more along the lines of if one god can beat another.

And people that say otherwise are just fanboys. An equal can't beat an equal. That's why the term 'draw' is used.
"

Good point."

People like you who I felt that you were one of the smarter ones here.
#41 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
Supreme Marvel said:
"People like you who I felt that you were one of the smarter ones here."

You think I'm stupid? LOL.
#42 Posted by Rei-Kai (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

There are actually two TOAA's in Marvel. One is THE Supreme Being. The other is just the Leader or Head Honcho of the Celestials.

#43 Edited by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
Image would win... The Man Of Miracles would come out and say "I am...that I am" and everyone in all the other Actualities would be erased from existence...

LMAO jk
#45 Posted by TheDrifter (26555 posts) - - Show Bio

Superman Prime punches Reality and everyone dies

#46 Posted by Static Shock (47330 posts) - - Show Bio
TheDrifter said:
"Superman Prime punches Reality and everyone dies"
LOL.
#47 Posted by Erik (29813 posts) - - Show Bio

Is Wildstorm considered part of DC in this fight?

#48 Posted by Rei-Kai (2673 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom has jacked the Surfer's powers, the Beyonder's powers, and Galactus' powers. At this point he can jack just about anyone's powers.

#49 Posted by King Saturn (222808 posts) - - Show Bio
In reality no one would actually win... they would all destroy each other and in the process all forms of reality and actuality would cease to exist...
#50 Posted by Erik (29813 posts) - - Show Bio

Biggest brawl ever. Lots of dead people.