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Marvel Vs Dc Herald/Transcendent fight
@ghostrider2 said:
@kangconquers: no he won't.Surfer is a fraction of Galan, how is he supposed to drain him?It would be Galan who drain the surfer.And with Thanos...Surfer is atleast a threat or he should be based on his power.Planetary level matter manipulation and energy the blasts are easily planetary, ability to travel through time, summon black holes, telepathy, intangibility and more.The writers doesnt unleash him and they make him stall Thor, though he beat BRB while holding back.Like others said few writers know what to do with Surfer but what he did in the past will not be forgotten.And i didn't responded on other post, it wasnt yours but i will write here.It ain't fair to compare top dc feats vs silver surfer medium lvl feats or to bring up the mexican or Thing or even Hulk, SS was holding and still dealt with Hulk.Anyone should know those aren't on his level.
You are ignoring the fact that Thanos has utterly destroyed Silver Surfer every time they've fought. Surfer isn't anywhere near his league. All head to head and A>B>C showings of the two characters show Thanos as being able to not only handle the Surfer himself, but able to handle multiple similarly powered characters at once.
My computer isn't working, I will post all the scans later but a few examples of Surfer's inferiority:
- Silver Surfer #35, Thanos tanks a cosmic blast from Surfer and asks "if he's through."
- Cosmic Powers Mini-Series, Tyrant remarks that Thanos is more than the others after he takes out Terrax, Genis-Vell, Ganymede, and Jack of Hearts. Tyrant had also taken on all six heralds of Galactus in the past with ease. Thanos gave him a run for his money solo.
- Blood and Thunder mini-series: Thor with pseudo Warrior Madness one shots Silver Surfer and Drax, then takes Drax's power gem. Thanos faces an even more amped up version of Thor than Silver Surfer did, and stalemates him.
- Later in said mini-series, Odin one shots Silver Surfer and classic Drax. Thanos tanks several blasts from Odin, and goes toe to toe with him for 20 pages.
- Cosmic Powers Unlimited #1, 1997. A blood lusted Thanos blocks a cosmic blast from Silver Surfer and beats him to the brink of death with 7 punches.
- Thanos Imperative- Lord Mar-Vell one shots the Silver Surfer, Quasar, and Nova Prime. A few pages later Thanos dominates the same being that three top heralds were one shotted by.
- Thanos The Infinity Revelation- Adam Warlock, who is roughly anecdotal to Thanos, one shots the Silver Surfer.
Superman Prime has even better feats than Thanos, killing 230 Green Lanterns, and delivering a killing shot to depowered Anit-Monitor. Even no-name canon fodder Green Lanterns are mid-herald characters by the way.
So what has Silver Surfer ever done to prove he's a Transcendent level? Because from where I'm standing, he's been clearly written below true Trans tier characters, such as Thanos, Recent Adam Warlock, Lord Marvell, Well of Life Morg (who also stomped Silver Surfer), Immortus (who the Annihilators had to beg for mercy to escape his realm), Depowered Tyrant, Amped Thor etc.
Every time Surfer encounters a trans, skyfather or upper tier cosmic character, he takes a face dive. He is no more of a threat to Thanos than Iron Man is to the Silver Surfer.
@nickthedevil said:
@fiendish said:
Orion and Darkseid are vulnerable to Radion which Silver Surfer can exploit.
I'm not terribly familiar with Classic Drax, does he have any notable speed feats?
No entirely. Daarkseid was shot with a radion bullet and it did nothing.
Orion has been shot, stabbed, even handcuffed with radion material which he then just broke free of like it was a normal handcuff. It has never once hampered him, until Final Crisis' death scene.
Either way, it's an element that it foreign to his universe, none of them should know about it, nor would he have a reason to think they hold a weakness like so.
Darkseid was mortally wounded by the Radion bullet. He was dying.
Indeed Orion has shown impressive resiliency against Radion but he's still ultimately vulnerable to it.
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Silver Surfer's cosmic awareness can specifically allow him to discern his opponent's weaknesses.
When the Surfer threatened to use Gladiator's weakness against him, he knew that it was specifically tuned radiation and since he was threatening him it's obviously implied that the Surfer could produce this "specifically tuned radiation" if he wanted to. This suggests that when his cosmic awareness allows him to sense an opponent's weakness it also provides him with the knowledge of how to exploit it i.e. the specific type of radiation Gladiator is vulnerable to and how to produce it. Considering the scope of Silver Surfer's energy and matter manipulation abilities as well as his power output, he should easily be able to produce Radion beams/blasts of extreme intensity, likely far greater than that of the Radion blasters and bombs typically seen.
@fiendish said:
@nickthedevil said:
@fiendish said:
Orion and Darkseid are vulnerable to Radion which Silver Surfer can exploit.
I'm not terribly familiar with Classic Drax, does he have any notable speed feats?
No entirely. Daarkseid was shot with a radion bullet and it did nothing.
Orion has been shot, stabbed, even handcuffed with radion material which he then just broke free of like it was a normal handcuff. It has never once hampered him, until Final Crisis' death scene.
Either way, it's an element that it foreign to his universe, none of them should know about it, nor would he have a reason to think they hold a weakness like so.
Darkseid was mortally wounded by the Radion bullet. He was dying.
Indeed Orion has shown impressive resiliency against Radion but he's still ultimately vulnerable to it.
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Silver Surfer's cosmic awareness can specifically allow him to discern his opponent's weaknesses.
When the Surfer threatened to use Gladiator's weakness against him, he knew that it was specifically tuned radiation and since he was threatening him it's obviously implied that the Surfer could produce this "specifically tuned radiation" if he wanted to. This suggests that when his cosmic awareness allows him to sense an opponent's weakness it also provides him with the knowledge of how to exploit it i.e. the specific type of radiation Gladiator is vulnerable to and how to produce it. Considering the scope of Silver Surfer's energy and matter manipulation abilities as well as his power output, he should easily be able to produce Radion beams/blasts of extreme intensity, likely far greater than that of the Radion blasters and bombs typically seen.
Heh, that one reference to fatally wounding Darkseid? Yet in Final Crisis it was nothing to him, He walked around just fine, sat around his throne just fine, still made quite a rallying speech, and much later still threatened Superman when they were face-to-face. That little narrative is just propping bats up quite a bit, since it was the combined effort of thousands of Omega Beams + the Black Racer to kill him.
Have you any scans that show Surfer can find out about elements foreign to HIS cosmic boundaries? Pretty sure it's not omniscience.
@nickthedevil said:
Heh, that one reference to fatally wounding Darkseid? Yet in Final Crisis it was nothing to him, He walked around just fine, sat around his throne just fine, still made quite a rallying speech, and much later still threatened Superman when they were face-to-face. That little narrative is just propping bats up quite a bit, since it was the combined effort of thousands of Omega Beams + the Black Racer to kill him.
Have you any scans that show Surfer can find out about elements foreign to HIS cosmic boundaries? Pretty sure it's not omniscience.
We also have Superman's comment.
What do you mean "HIS" cosmic boundaries? Where are people getting the idea that Silver Surfers cosmic awareness only works in his native universe? His cosmic awareness worked just fine in the DC universe in Green Lantern/Silver Surfer. During his brief fight with Kyle Rayner he was able to discern the capabilities of Kyle's power ring, including its ability to drain, something Kyle didn't even know.
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@fiendish said:
@nickthedevil said:
Heh, that one reference to fatally wounding Darkseid? Yet in Final Crisis it was nothing to him, He walked around just fine, sat around his throne just fine, still made quite a rallying speech, and much later still threatened Superman when they were face-to-face. That little narrative is just propping bats up quite a bit, since it was the combined effort of thousands of Omega Beams + the Black Racer to kill him.
Have you any scans that show Surfer can find out about elements foreign to HIS cosmic boundaries? Pretty sure it's not omniscience.
We also have Superman's comment.
What do you mean "HIS" cosmic boundaries? Where are people getting the idea that Silver Surfers cosmic awareness only works in his native universe? His cosmic awareness worked just fine in the DC universe in Green Lantern/Silver Surfer. During his brief fight with Kyle Rayner he was able to discern the capabilities of Kyle's power ring, including its ability to drain, something Kyle didn't even know.
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Meh, mortally wounded still have a chance at surviving. Fact is, he didn't die, and it's not like he was any weaker by it. He still shot hundreds of Omega Beams.
I have that crossover issue, as cool as it was, it's not canon.
@nickthedevil said:
Meh, mortally wounded still have a chance at surviving. Fact is, he didn't die, and it's not like he was any weaker by it. He still shot hundreds of Omega Beams.
I have that crossover issue, as cool as it was, it's not canon.
The Radion bullet didn't immediately kill Orion either, he was still alive and moving around after Turpin found him. The bullet didn't seem to be meant to incapacitate or kill quickly, only to ensure death eventually. It seemed to be just a relatively small amount of Radion encapsulated in a clear bullet after all.
Actually many would argue Green Lantern/Silver Surfer iscanon because events from it were referenced in canon material (Parallax: Emerald Night)
More importantly where are you getting the specific idea that Silver Surfer's cosmic awareness only works in his universe? I've never seen any statement or showing that alludes to this kind of limitation.
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