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#1 Edited by YoungJustice (6877 posts) - - Show Bio
  • Black Canary (Depowered)
  • Batman (Pre-New 52)
  • Jason Todd (Pre-New 52)

vs

  • Shang-Chi
  • Iron Fist (Depowered)
  • Punisher

Morals Off

Bloodlust On

Standard Gear

Win by Death

Location:

#2 Posted by robertloucksjr (1778 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel team.

Ultimate Cap is at least a 2 tonner and his other physical stats are likewise enhanced. He could possibly solo. Iron Fist is the #2 in the group and Shang-Chi is in the running for 3rd with Batman.

#3 Posted by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr said:

Marvel team.

Ultimate Cap is at least a 2 tonner and his other physical stats are likewise enhanced. He could possibly solo. Iron Fist is the #2 in the group and Shang-Chi is in the running for 3rd with Batman.

I agree that team MARVEL wins and especially due to Ultimate Captain America...But I disagree that he could solo all three of DC's members, that's too much for even him to handle. For I agree with all the contents of your post except that of the one that I have mentioned.

Jason Todd is the weakling in the fighting skills department comparing to those of his other team members. I would say Black Canary and Batman are about equal in fighting skills with Shang Chi and Iron Fist. Ultimate Cap' could help them out once he is done fighting Jason Todd rather quickly.

Vouile

#4 Posted by dondave (38570 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel ftw

#5 Posted by Strafe Prower (11887 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Marvel STOMP

#6 Posted by tomlikesfries (4698 posts) - - Show Bio

Interesting match-up, but, as other users have stated, the Marvel team wins.

#7 Edited by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@YoungJustice:

To make the battle more fair, I suggest you replace Ultimate Captain America with the Punisher.

Vouile

#8 Posted by robertloucksjr (1778 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher would be a good match for Jason Todd.

#9 Posted by FourthDeity (2234 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel takes this quite comfortably

#10 Posted by dondave (38570 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vouile: I wouldn't consider Jason that much of weak link considering he has exactly the same training or near

#11 Posted by Farwind (67 posts) - - Show Bio

Jason received a lot of H2H training, but he's not Batman. Besides, his pre-new52 showings aren't very special.

#12 Posted by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@Vouile: I wouldn't consider Jason that much of weak link considering he has exactly the same training or near

...Near of Nightwing? True, yes. But like said he is not Batman.. And Dinah is about on-par with Batman in hand to hand combat...

Vouile

#13 Posted by dondave (38570 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vouile: I meant near Batman level. This from Batman Annual #25.

#14 Posted by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel.

#15 Posted by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave:

Again, sure, he is very good at hand to hand combat. But he still isn't as good as Batman or Black Canary. He definitely looses any of the others in this battle.

Vouile

#16 Posted by dondave (38570 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vouile: what type of training has Black Canary have

#17 Posted by YoungJustice (6877 posts) - - Show Bio

Edited OP.

Is it better?

#18 Posted by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@Vouile: what type of training has Black Canary have

She has had a lot of training from Wildcat (her dad). Plus she has a sonic scream which can solo (almost) every street level character.

You can go to this ComicVine thread link to see some of her hand to hand features:

http://www.comicvine.com/forums/black-canary/569/black-canary-fighting-skill-feats/573766/

@YoungJustice said:

Edited OP.

Is it better?

I'd say the outcome would be much more closer than before.

Vouile

#19 Posted by dondave (38570 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vouile: isn't he only a boxer

#20 Posted by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@dondave said:

@Vouile: isn't he only a boxer

Yes, he is a boxer. But along with boxing he knows many different types of martial arts.

Vouile

#21 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5139 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Marvel

#22 Posted by comicace3 (6052 posts) - - Show Bio

I say team DC... b/c there is no ult. cap.

#23 Posted by robertloucksjr (1778 posts) - - Show Bio

I would go Marvel.

I still put Iron Fist as #1 above Batman (#2).

Shang-Chi over Canary as I think he is slightly more skilled and outweighs her by 40 pounds,

Punisher over Red Hood by a hair because of greater size and experience overcoming his speed disadvantage.

#24 Posted by TDK_1997 (14988 posts) - - Show Bio

This is an interesting battle but Batman can't handle all of the Marvel guys,so I am saying Marvel.

#25 Posted by MonsterStomp (19371 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel. Easily.

#26 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

DC takes this.

Batman beats Iron Fist.

Shang Chi beats Black Canary, while Jason fights Punisher.

Then Batman destroys Shang Chi and Punisher.

Both Punisher and Shang Chi are featless at h2h combat,and Danny's never done anything to put him on Batman level.

#27 Posted by jojjimbo (2472 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel ftw

#28 Posted by Pokeysteve (8425 posts) - - Show Bio

DC wins. Punisher is the weak link here and his H2H showings are all over the freakin place.

@Vouile said:

@dondave said:

@Vouile: what type of training has Black Canary have

She has had a lot of training from Wildcat (her dad). Plus she has a sonic scream which can solo (almost) every street level character.

Wildcat isn't her dad. He's just a father figure type and began her training when she was young. She's also gone through the same training Lady Shiva went through as well as receiving tips from Shiva herself.

#29 Edited by robertloucksjr (1778 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger said:

DC takes this.

Batman beats Iron Fist.

Shang Chi beats Black Canary, while Jason fights Punisher.

Then Batman destroys Shang Chi and Punisher.

Both Punisher and Shang Chi are featless at h2h combat,and Danny's never done anything to put him on Batman level.

I don't know. Killing the dragon with his bare hands to get the Iron Fist in the first place seems to be a high end feat.

Shang-Chi vs Spider-Man

Punisher has lots of high-end hand to hand combat feats - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=527917&pagenumber=2

#30 Posted by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

DC wins. Punisher is the weak link here and his H2H showings are all over the freakin place.

@Vouile said:

@dondave said:

@Vouile: what type of training has Black Canary have

She has had a lot of training from Wildcat (her dad). Plus she has a sonic scream which can solo (almost) every street level character.

Wildcat isn't her dad. He's just a father figure type and began her training when she was young. She's also gone through the same training Lady Shiva went through as well as receiving tips from Shiva herself.

My apologies, thanks for the correction, you're right. Batman Brave and the Bold (TV) got me slightly screwed here.

Vouile

#31 Posted by Pokeysteve (8425 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vouile said:

@Pokeysteve said:

DC wins. Punisher is the weak link here and his H2H showings are all over the freakin place.

@Vouile said:

@dondave said:

@Vouile: what type of training has Black Canary have

She has had a lot of training from Wildcat (her dad). Plus she has a sonic scream which can solo (almost) every street level character.

Wildcat isn't her dad. He's just a father figure type and began her training when she was young. She's also gone through the same training Lady Shiva went through as well as receiving tips from Shiva herself.

My apologies, thanks for the correction, you're right. Batman Brave and the Bold (TV) got me slightly screwed here.

Vouile

No problem. So many incarnations of so many characters.

#32 Posted by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@Pokeysteve said:

@Vouile said:

@Pokeysteve said:

DC wins. Punisher is the weak link here and his H2H showings are all over the freakin place.

@Vouile said:

@dondave said:

@Vouile: what type of training has Black Canary have

She has had a lot of training from Wildcat (her dad). Plus she has a sonic scream which can solo (almost) every street level character.

Wildcat isn't her dad. He's just a father figure type and began her training when she was young. She's also gone through the same training Lady Shiva went through as well as receiving tips from Shiva herself.

My apologies, thanks for the correction, you're right. Batman Brave and the Bold (TV) got me slightly screwed here.

Vouile

No problem. So many incarnations of so many characters.

Yup.

Vouile

#33 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr said:

@Stronger said:

DC takes this.

Batman beats Iron Fist.

Shang Chi beats Black Canary, while Jason fights Punisher.

Then Batman destroys Shang Chi and Punisher.

Both Punisher and Shang Chi are featless at h2h combat,and Danny's never done anything to put him on Batman level.

I don't know. Killing the dragon with his bare hands to get the Iron Fist in the first place seems to be a high end feat.

Shang-Chi vs Spider-Man

Punisher has lots of high-end hand to hand combat feats - http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=527917&pagenumber=2

Give me a single Shang Chi feat beating someone on Batman's level.Straight h2h.

Punisher lost to Kingpin and his biggest victory IMO is against Bullseye.

#34 Posted by Pyrogram (40965 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel wreck.

#35 Posted by tomchu (522 posts) - - Show Bio

Punisher would Macguvyer his ass through the Avengers Mansion, making it a lot easier for the Marvel team. Plus, on H2H, Iron Fist and Shang Chi has got this.

I have no clue on Black Canary's H2H skills, but by watching enough episodes of Young Justice, I'mma gonna say Iron Fist, Shang Chi > Black Canary.

Jason Todd?? Hahahahaha. No.

The only foreseeable way I can see DC winning this is if Batman (or the DC team in generation) uses the terrain to their advantage or catch them out by surprise.

#36 Posted by robertloucksjr (1778 posts) - - Show Bio

@Stronger: Gorilla guy, damaged Doombot, Paladin (triple human strength) while holding his breath who had just taken out Luke Cage (nerve gun), Cap, Black Cat,Colleen Wing, and Misty Knight physically under that same gas cloud hindering them.

#37 Posted by btmt (222 posts) - - Show Bio

Team DC wins!!!!!!

#38 Posted by Ddecourt (803 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel Team wins.

#39 Posted by AverageMan (138 posts) - - Show Bio

DC wins

#40 Posted by DarkKnightRises (10 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel team wins due to most of Batmans advantages.

#41 Posted by Deadgod (1500 posts) - - Show Bio

Team Marvel

#42 Posted by Stronger (4948 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr said:

@Stronger: Gorilla guy, damaged Doombot, Paladin (triple human strength) while holding his breath who had just taken out Luke Cage (nerve gun), Cap, Black Cat,Colleen Wing, and Misty Knight physically under that same gas cloud hindering them.

This is a regular Doombot.Shang Chi isn;t the only human who has defeated a Doombot.

Paladin is a mediocre at best h2h fighter and he took out Cap simply because this gas.

And what exactly has that Gorilla guy done to put him on a certain level?

#43 Posted by robertloucksjr (1778 posts) - - Show Bio

I also posted Shang-Chi vs Spider-Man. Iron Fist says he a master. Cap/Wolverine/Spidey/Iron Fist spar with him. Spidey went to him for training. Cap wants him for the Secret Avengers. Raised from birth by his long-lived crime lord father to be his enforcer. Agent for MI-6.

If you think he is not a credible opponent and above say Todd, I suspect you are in the minority.

#44 Posted by Epicbeast3000 (956 posts) - - Show Bio

@Vouile: You realize Ultimate Captain America downed the hulk temporarily. That guy is freaking over powered for a peak human.

#45 Posted by Umbraa (915 posts) - - Show Bio

Marvel wins this..

#46 Posted by robertloucksjr (1778 posts) - - Show Bio

@Epicbeast3000 said:

@Vouile: You realize Ultimate Captain America downed the hulk temporarily. That guy is freaking over powered for a peak human.

Ultimate Cap has super strength (5-10 tons). He is not peak human.

#47 Posted by Vouile (678 posts) - - Show Bio

@Epicbeast3000 said:

@Vouile: You realize Ultimate Captain America downed the hulk temporarily. That guy is freaking over powered for a peak human.

@robertloucksjr said:

@Epicbeast3000 said:

@Vouile: You realize Ultimate Captain America downed the hulk temporarily. That guy is freaking over powered for a peak human.

Ultimate Cap has super strength (5-10 tons). He is not peak human.

I didn't realize Captain America was that strong. -.- Thank you for the note.

Vouile

#48 Posted by Havenless (1378 posts) - - Show Bio

@robertloucksjr:

Holy shit, he took out a Doombot. I don't think this guy classifies as street level....

#49 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

DC.

#50 Posted by Pokeysteve (8425 posts) - - Show Bio

Castle is still the weak link. Todd will be done with his fight before anyone else and then most likely helps Canary.