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#1 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

This was borne out of the Lobo vs Silver Surfer thread. (nods to Methos)

These matches are taken directly from the Marvel vs. DC crossover of '96. It's very dated and was apparently voted upon by fans.

Who do you think would win?

Captain America vs. Batman

Superman vs. Hulk

Thor vs. Captain Marvel

Wonder Woman vs. Storm

Namor vs. Aquaman

Flash vs. Quicksilver

Spiderman vs. Superboy

Robin vs. Jubilee

Lobo vs. Wolverine

Silver Surfer vs. Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)

#2 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

1, tough call... but with adequate prep time Batman

2 Superman

3, Thor

4, Wonder Woman

5, Aquaman

6, Flash (That ones a joke, Quicksilver is in do far over his head he can't even see the stars)

7, Superboy

8, Jubilee

9, Lobo (Read details in my Lobo Vs Silver surfer thread for more details as to why)

10, ...

now thats the one thats the really tough one to call...

i'm tempted to say Green Lantern... but Surfers powers can exceed those of a Green Lantern...

i'll abstain on that vote, it's too close to call.

M

#3 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

With the voting for the comic when it came out it went something like this:

1) Batman

2) Superman

3) Thor

4) Storm

5) Aquaman

6) Flash

7) Spiderman

8) Robin

9) Wolverine

10) Silver Surfer

I personally see it this way:

1) Captain America

2) Superman

3) Captain Marvel

4) Wonder Woman

5) Namor

6) Flash

7) Superboy

8) Robin

9) Lobo

10) Silver Surfer

#4 Posted by Captain Hazard (1568 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Cap America

  2. Superman(very sadly)

  3. Thor

  4. Wonder Woman

  5. Namor

  6. Flash

  7. Spider-Man

  8. Robin

  9. Lobo

  10. Surfer

#5 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Nobody says:

"1. Cap America 2. Superman(very sadly) 3. Thor 4. Wonder Woman 5. Namor 6. Flash 7. Spider-Man 8. Robin 9. Lobo 10. Surfer "

i just dont see spiderman beating superboy,

#6 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

acewasp23 says:

"Nobody says:
"1. Cap America 2. Superman(very sadly) 3. Thor 4. Wonder Woman 5. Namor 6. Flash 7. Spider-Man 8. Robin 9. Lobo 10. Surfer "
i just dont see spiderman beating superboy, "
You know I saw that happening has soon as I posted it.
#7 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman621 says:

"acewasp23 says:
"Nobody says:
"1. Cap America 2. Superman(very sadly) 3. Thor 4. Wonder Woman 5. Namor 6. Flash 7. Spider-Man 8. Robin 9. Lobo 10. Surfer "
i just dont see spiderman beating superboy, "
You know I saw that happening has soon as I posted it. "

what? its just how is spiderman going to hurt superboy?

#8 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

acewasp23 says:

"spiderman621 says:
"acewasp23 says:
"Nobody says:
"1. Cap America 2. Superman(very sadly) 3. Thor 4. Wonder Woman 5. Namor 6. Flash 7. Spider-Man 8. Robin 9. Lobo 10. Surfer "
i just dont see spiderman beating superboy, "
You know I saw that happening has soon as I posted it. "
what? its just how is spiderman going to hurt superboy?"
They found a way in the comic which seemed very possible. But give it a second and Buckshot will pop in an tell me I am wrong.
#9 Posted by Buckshot (18913 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman621 says:

"They found a way in the comic which seemed very possible. But give it a second and Buckshot will pop in an tell me I am wrong."

I already have.

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#10 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman621 says:

"acewasp23 says:
"spiderman621 says:
"acewasp23 says:
"Nobody says:
"1. Cap America 2. Superman(very sadly) 3. Thor 4. Wonder Woman 5. Namor 6. Flash 7. Spider-Man 8. Robin 9. Lobo 10. Surfer "
i just dont see spiderman beating superboy, "
You know I saw that happening has soon as I posted it. "
what? its just how is spiderman going to hurt superboy?"
They found a way in the comic which seemed very possible. But give it a second and Buckshot will pop in an tell me I am wrong. "

lol ok i'll have to see what he says.

#11 Posted by Superkitty (1086 posts) - - Show Bio

acewasp23 says:

"Nobody says:
"1. Cap America 2. Superman(very sadly) 3. Thor 4. Wonder Woman 5. Namor 6. Flash 7. Spider-Man 8. Robin 9. Lobo 10. Surfer "

i just dont see spiderman beating superboy, "

Some of the match-ups seem ill-conceived. There has to be someone in the DC universe that is about Spiderman's level. The Flash/Quicksilver one seemed to be a "we don't really have a main character like the Flash, so we'll dig someone up in the archives."

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#12 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid...

does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco

M

#13 Posted by The_Martian (36980 posts) - - Show Bio

Superkitty says:

"acewasp23 says:
"Nobody says:
"1. Cap America 2. Superman(very sadly) 3. Thor 4. Wonder Woman 5. Namor 6. Flash 7. Spider-Man 8. Robin 9. Lobo 10. Surfer "
i just dont see spiderman beating superboy, "
Some of the match-ups seem ill-conceived. There has to be someone in the DC universe that is about Spiderman's level. The Flash/Quicksilver one seemed to be a "we don't really have a main character like the Flash, so we'll dig someone up in the archives.""
Actually I can't think of a character that is like Spidey in DC. They are either weaker or strong. Not somewhere just about him that I can think of.
#14 Posted by Superkitty (1086 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid...*does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco*M"

My "favorite" part was many of the fights were resolved in a few panels. They should have made it more than 4 issues.

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#15 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

what was stupid was why they were fighting. the latest crossover with the avengers JLA crossover was a lot better.

#16 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Superkitty says:

"Methos says:
"it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid...*does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco*M"

My "favorite" part was many of the fights were resolved in a few panels. They should have made it more than 4 issues.

"

i'm sorry, the Wolverine Vs Lobo fight was an atrocity...

there is no way in hell that Wolverine could take Lobo, not even if he caught him half asleep and a mile away from his weapons...

Lobo basically got told "Sorry, we've had too many wins for DC already, so bend over, assume the position and take it like a man."

No way would that happen, i demand a rematch!!!

M

#17 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Buckshot says:

"I already have."

GASP! How does he do it?

Methos says:

"it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid... *does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco* M"

Which is exactly why I brought it up! ;)

acewasp23 says:

"what was stupid was why they were fighting. the latest crossover with the avengers JLA crossover was a lot better."

True that. I made this actually because I remembered taking issue with the results of the original voting results.

JLA/Avengers was much better.

#18 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Buckshot says:
"I already have."
*GASP!* How does he do it? Methos says:
"it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid... *does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco* M"
Which is exactly why I brought it up! ;) acewasp23 says:
"what was stupid was why they were fighting. the latest crossover with the avengers JLA crossover was a lot better."
True that. I made this actually because I remembered taking issue with the results of the original voting results. JLA/Avengers was much better."

But even that wasn't that good. They should come up with some reasonable pairings and have a double sized comic for each one. Run one a month for a year and you have twelve great fights. If you want to have the fans vote, they can vote to determine the most wanted fights but not the outcome. Make the outcomes as believable as possible and you could have a great boost to both companies.

#19 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Superkitty says:
"Methos says:
"it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid... *does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco* M"
My "favorite" part was many of the fights were resolved in a few panels. They should have made it more than 4 issues. "
i'm sorry, the Wolverine Vs Lobo fight was an atrocity... there is no way in hell that Wolverine could take Lobo, not even if he caught him half asleep and a mile away from his weapons... Lobo basically got told "Sorry, we've had too many wins for DC already, so bend over, assume the position and take it like a man." No way would that happen, i demand a rematch!!! M"

he didn't even have his weapons all he had was his hook and chain. the only fights that marvel should of won was thor, namor, silver surfer, and maybe capt. america.

#20 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

and i'm greatfull it was brought up...

i've noticed a lot of people on the site seem to have similar thoughts on how the fight should have ended

probably because we have more common sense and intelligence than the writers who wrote that rubbish do...

M

#21 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Buckshot says:
"I already have."
*GASP!* How does he do it? Methos says:
"it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid... *does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco* M"
Which is exactly why I brought it up! ;) acewasp23 says:
"what was stupid was why they were fighting. the latest crossover with the avengers JLA crossover was a lot better."
True that. I made this actually because I remembered taking issue with the results of the original voting results. JLA/Avengers was much better."
But even that wasn't that good. They should come up with some reasonable pairings and have a double sized comic for each one. Run one a month for a year and you have twelve great fights. If you want to have the fans vote, they can vote to determine the most wanted fights but not the outcome. Make the outcomes as believable as possible and you could have a great boost to both companies."

yeah that would of been better.

#22 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

acewasp23 says:

"Methos says:
"Superkitty says:
"Methos says:
"it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid... *does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco* M"
My "favorite" part was many of the fights were resolved in a few panels. They should have made it more than 4 issues. "
i'm sorry, the Wolverine Vs Lobo fight was an atrocity... there is no way in hell that Wolverine could take Lobo, not even if he caught him half asleep and a mile away from his weapons... Lobo basically got told "Sorry, we've had too many wins for DC already, so bend over, assume the position and take it like a man." No way would that happen, i demand a rematch!!! M"

he didn't even have his weapons all he had was his hook and chain. the only fights that marvel should of won was thor, namor, silver surfer, and maybe capt. america."

no way Namor...

there is no way he could hold his own against Aquaman...

M

#23 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"acewasp23 says:
"Methos says:
"Superkitty says:
"Methos says:
"it was just stupid, that entire fight scene was stupid... actually the entire collection of fights were stupid... *does his best to erase his memory of the entire fiasco* M"
My "favorite" part was many of the fights were resolved in a few panels. They should have made it more than 4 issues. "
i'm sorry, the Wolverine Vs Lobo fight was an atrocity... there is no way in hell that Wolverine could take Lobo, not even if he caught him half asleep and a mile away from his weapons... Lobo basically got told "Sorry, we've had too many wins for DC already, so bend over, assume the position and take it like a man." No way would that happen, i demand a rematch!!! M"
he didn't even have his weapons all he had was his hook and chain. the only fights that marvel should of won was thor, namor, silver surfer, and maybe capt. america."
no way Namor... there is no way he could hold his own against Aquaman... M"

i just didnt like the " lets drop a whale on him that should do it. lol

#24 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"But even that wasn't that good. They should come up with some reasonable pairings and have a double sized comic for each one. Run one a month for a year and you have twelve great fights. If you want to have the fans vote, they can vote to determine the most wanted fights but not the outcome. Make the outcomes as believable as possible and you could have a great boost to both companies."

I remember reading that when George Perez wanted to write and do the art for a Marvel/DC crossover back in the 80's and got it approved to by both companies, he tried to make the results as probable as possible and Marvel backed out when too many of their top tier guys were getting beaten by second and third tier DC characters.

I think Kurt Busiek mentioned it in an interview for JLA/Avengers.

#25 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

lol, no, that was a cheapshot to end the fight...

but i still don't think Namor could stand up to Aquaman in a toe to toe fight

M

#26 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"lol, no, that was a cheapshot to end the fight... but i still don't think Namor could stand up to Aquaman in a toe to toe fight M"

I think Namor is stronger by quite a bit.

#27 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"lol, no, that was a cheapshot to end the fight... but i still don't think Namor could stand up to Aquaman in a toe to toe fight M"

i'm not to sure who would win i guess, but i think namor would do better than he did in the comic.

#28 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Methos says:
"lol, no, that was a cheapshot to end the fight... but i still don't think Namor could stand up to Aquaman in a toe to toe fight M"

I think Namor is stronger by quite a bit."

dunno... just checked him profile and he can lift 100 tons...

i'm sure i've seen aquaman do a lot more than that

M

#29 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Methos says:
"lol, no, that was a cheapshot to end the fight... but i still don't think Namor could stand up to Aquaman in a toe to toe fight M"
I think Namor is stronger by quite a bit."
dunno... just checked him profile and he can lift 100 tons... i'm sure i've seen aquaman do a lot more than that M"

yeah but is that under water? i know they both can lift and press more under water.

#30 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Forever says:
"But even that wasn't that good. They should come up with some reasonable pairings and have a double sized comic for each one. Run one a month for a year and you have twelve great fights. If you want to have the fans vote, they can vote to determine the most wanted fights but not the outcome. Make the outcomes as believable as possible and you could have a great boost to both companies."
I remember reading that when George Perez wanted to write and do the art for a Marvel/DC crossover back in the 80's and got it approved to by both companies, he tried to make the results as probable as possible and Marvel backed out when too many of their top tier guys were getting beaten by second and third tier DC characters. I think Kurt Busiek mentioned it in an interview for JLA/Avengers. "

Its a shame too Satyr. Marvel can't escape the fact that they write their characters to be less powerful than DC does theirs. You certainly can't counteract it by having Storm defeat Wonder Woman, Spider-Man defeat Superboy and Wolverine defeat Lobo. If you take an entire comic for each battle, then you can show the Marvel character in a better light, trying to use the environment to take out whoever he ends up fighting. At least you have more of a fight and it doesn't end up looking like a curbstomp because it's only a few panels.

#31 Posted by zero edge (3692 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"Forever says:
"But even that wasn't that good. They should come up with some reasonable pairings and have a double sized comic for each one. Run one a month for a year and you have twelve great fights. If you want to have the fans vote, they can vote to determine the most wanted fights but not the outcome. Make the outcomes as believable as possible and you could have a great boost to both companies."

I remember reading that when George Perez wanted to write and do the art for a Marvel/DC crossover back in the 80's and got it approved to by both companies, he tried to make the results as probable as possible and Marvel backed out when too many of their top tier guys were getting beaten by second and third tier DC characters.

I think Kurt Busiek mentioned it in an interview for JLA/Avengers.

"

That's interesting, I want to read the interview now.

#32 Posted by Methos (40103 posts) - - Show Bio

clear this up first...

which aquaman are using?

to be honest i didn't know they'd retconned him after IC, so are we using AC or Orin?

M

#33 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Forever says:
"But even that wasn't that good. They should come up with some reasonable pairings and have a double sized comic for each one. Run one a month for a year and you have twelve great fights. If you want to have the fans vote, they can vote to determine the most wanted fights but not the outcome. Make the outcomes as believable as possible and you could have a great boost to both companies."
I remember reading that when George Perez wanted to write and do the art for a Marvel/DC crossover back in the 80's and got it approved to by both companies, he tried to make the results as probable as possible and Marvel backed out when too many of their top tier guys were getting beaten by second and third tier DC characters. I think Kurt Busiek mentioned it in an interview for JLA/Avengers. "
Its a shame too Satyr. Marvel can't escape the fact that they write their characters to be less powerful than DC does theirs."

i think the write them that way so they can be more vulnerable.

#34 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

Methos says:

"clear this up first... which aquaman are using? to be honest i didn't know they'd retconned him after IC, so are we using AC or Orin? M"

The Aquaman that everyone pictures when someone says "Aquaman" Arthur Curry, the one that was in the crossover.

#35 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

you forgot about catwoman vs electra.

#36 Posted by Satyrquaze (4542 posts) - - Show Bio

I saw that just after I posted it...

Elektra, she's a much better raw fighter.

#37 Posted by acewasp23 (6087 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"I saw that just after I posted it... Elektra, she's a much better raw fighter."

yeah better looking to.

#38 Posted by Cosmic Sentinel (3749 posts) - - Show Bio

Just to clear it up (I don't see it mentioned), only five were voted for. The other six were decuded by the writers and were obviously a 3-3 draw. These fights were voted on: Superman v Hulk, Wolverine v Lobo, Wonder Woman v Storm, Spider-man v Superboy and Batman v Captain America.

#39 Posted by the creator (8559 posts) - - Show Bio

Satyrquaze says:

"This was borne out of the Lobo vs Silver Surfer thread. (nods to Methos) These matches are taken directly from the Marvel vs. DC crossover of '96. It's very dated and was apparently voted upon by fans. Who do you think would win? ![Alt text] Captain America vs. Batman Superman vs. Hulk Thor vs. Captain Marvel Wonder Woman vs. Storm Namor vs. Aquaman Flash vs. Quicksilver Spiderman vs. Superboy Robin vs. Jubilee Lobo vs. Wolverine Silver Surfer vs. Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner)"
  1. Capt America

  2. Superman

  3. Capt Marvel

  4. Wonder Woman

  5. Namor

  6. Flash

  7. Superboy

  8. Robin

  9. Lobo

  10. Silver Surfer

#40 Posted by Spectrum (4468 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"Satyrquaze says:
"Forever says:
"But even that wasn't that good. They should come up with some reasonable pairings and have a double sized comic for each one. Run one a month for a year and you have twelve great fights. If you want to have the fans vote, they can vote to determine the most wanted fights but not the outcome. Make the outcomes as believable as possible and you could have a great boost to both companies."
I remember reading that when George Perez wanted to write and do the art for a Marvel/DC crossover back in the 80's and got it approved to by both companies, he tried to make the results as probable as possible and Marvel backed out when too many of their top tier guys were getting beaten by second and third tier DC characters. I think Kurt Busiek mentioned it in an interview for JLA/Avengers. "
Its a shame too Satyr. Marvel can't escape the fact that they write their characters to be less powerful than DC does theirs. You certainly can't counteract it by having Storm defeat Wonder Woman, Spider-Man defeat Superboy and Wolverine defeat Lobo. If you take an entire comic for each battle, then you can show the Marvel character in a better light, trying to use the environment to take out whoever he ends up fighting. At least you have more of a fight and it doesn't end up looking like a curbstomp because it's only a few panels."

dont start hating DC, boy. Read Ms Invisbales blog mmmkay

1 Batman

2 Superman

3 Thor

4 Wonder Woman

5 Aquaman

6 Flash

7 Superboy

8 Jubilee

9 Wolverine

10 Silver Surfer

#41 Posted by GambitO (980 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. captain america

  2. superman

  3. captain marvel

  4. wonder woman

  5. namor

  6. flash

  7. spiderman

  8. jubilee

  9. wolverine

  10. silver surfer

#42 Posted by GambitO (980 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Posted by Case Closed (184 posts) - - Show Bio

Yeah, this whole thing just never worked out right in retrospect. Some of these are very obviously wrong some not so much.

  1. Captain America: I only say this because I like Captain America over Batman, but it would be a good legitimate fight.

  2. Superman: Stronger, faster, heat vision. Not much debate here really.

  3. Thor: I am not expert on either character...I just look them over and go with Thor

  4. Wonder Woman: Duh

  5. Aquaman: Yeah, know little about either one, gut feeling.

  6. Flash: lol

  7. Superboy: He would crush spiderman since he is so dominant over him in every conceivable way except for intelligence. But that does not matter since Spiderman is way too slow to fight a kryptonian.

  8. Robin: I don't care for Jubilee at all. So I am biased on this battle.

  9. Lobo: lol

  10. Surfer: Too lazy to explain, others have done a good enough job.

#44 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7470 posts) - - Show Bio

1 captain america

2 hulk

3 thor

4 wonder woman

5 namor

6 flash

7 spiderman

8 not sure

9 lobo

10 silver surfer

#45 Posted by Forever (4332 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"1 captain america 2 hulk 3 thor 4 wonder woman 5 namor 6 flash 7 spiderman 8 not sure 9 lobo 10 silver surfer"

Spider-Man over Superboy?

#46 Posted by Boken (7756 posts) - - Show Bio

i remeber they tried crossovers before. bruce whayne was like a S.H.E.I.L.D. agent and somthin else was like that. i know i have some of tose comics somewere.

#47 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7470 posts) - - Show Bio

Forever says:

"spiderman0409 says:
"1 captain america 2 hulk 3 thor 4 wonder woman 5 namor 6 flash 7 spiderman 8 not sure 9 lobo 10 silver surfer"
Spider-Man over Superboy?"

if its in city and he uses his smarts yea in a normal arena no

#48 Posted by -000 (226 posts) - - Show Bio
  1. Captain America

  2. Superman

  3. Thor

  4. Wonder Woman

  5. Namor

  6. Flash

  7. Spider-Man

  8. Jubilee

  9. Wolverine

  10. Silver Surfer

#49 Posted by Quintus_Knightfall (84365 posts) - - Show Bio

spiderman0409 says:

"Forever says:
"spiderman0409 says:
"1 captain america 2 hulk 3 thor 4 wonder woman 5 namor 6 flash 7 spiderman 8 not sure 9 lobo 10 silver surfer"
Spider-Man over Superboy?"

if its in city and he uses his smarts yea in a normal arena no"

Your high.

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#50 Posted by The Mighty Thor (7470 posts) - - Show Bio

Gambler says:

"spiderman0409 says:
"Forever says:
"spiderman0409 says:
"1 captain america 2 hulk 3 thor 4 wonder woman 5 namor 6 flash 7 spiderman 8 not sure 9 lobo 10 silver surfer"
Spider-Man over Superboy?"
if its in city and he uses his smarts yea in a normal arena no"
Your high."

no i think -000 agrees with me