Marvel villians vs DC heroes

"@cody1984 said:

"@Supermanwithatan01: Stopping time isn't a defense? "

A tactic which she would only use IF she was aware of Wally's abilities.By the time she realizes that it maybe too late. "

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

"@entropy_aegis said:

"@cody1984 said:

"@Supermanwithatan01: Stopping time isn't a defense? "

A tactic which she would only use IF she was aware of Wally's abilities.By the time she realizes that it maybe too late. "

The villians have three months of prep prior to this fight. "

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

She's the one from the Hulk vs Thor movie? Yes she's pretty powerful indeed but could she do anything fast enough? "

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

She's the one from the Hulk vs Thor movie? Yes she's pretty powerful indeed but could she do anything fast enough? "

I just explained how she would do it. "

The Villians take it. 3 months prep is just the right amount of time Doom needs to completely wreck the DC heroes with all his tech, magic and fellow supervillains at hand. I’m quite happy to see Marvel finally pull a win

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

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" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

She's the one from the Hulk vs Thor movie? Yes she's pretty powerful indeed but could she do anything fast enough? "

I just explained how she would do it. "

You don't seem to get it. Flash has defeated Zoom whos time control stops ALL time relative to himself. He is a beast. Flash excels speed to where time is not a factor. He could be theoretically moving at light speed with time stopped. That wont save her. "

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

She's the one from the Hulk vs Thor movie? Yes she's pretty powerful indeed but could she do anything fast enough? "

I just explained how she would do it. "

You don't seem to get it. Flash has defeated Zoom whos time control stops ALL time relative to himself. He is a beast. Flash excels speed to where time is not a factor. He could be theoretically moving at light speed with time stopped. That wont save her. "

Who cares about zoom?  Wally did that after absorbing everyone elses power which correct me if I'm wrong he doesn't have anymore.  So not only can't he do that he also wouldn't even be able to hurt her in astral form.     "

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

She's the one from the Hulk vs Thor movie? Yes she's pretty powerful indeed but could she do anything fast enough? "

I just explained how she would do it. "

You don't seem to get it. Flash has defeated Zoom whos time control stops ALL time relative to himself. He is a beast. Flash excels speed to where time is not a factor. He could be theoretically moving at light speed with time stopped. That wont save her. "

Who cares about zoom?  Wally did that after absorbing everyone elses power which correct me if I'm wrong he doesn't have anymore.  So not only can't he do that he also wouldn't even be able to hurt her in astral form.     "

Your thinking about Rebirth. Wrong story. Wally is faster now than he was then because thats when the speed force was spread out. Even though Barrys the Flash again. But Bart after Rebirth basically PLAYED with Zoom because of their new speed. Wally > Bart > Hunter. And If she's in Astral form thats kind of an unfair advantage, or would be if Wally didn't have control over all kinetic energy in every universe, in ever dimension, and every era. "

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" @cody1984 said:

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" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

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" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

She's the one from the Hulk vs Thor movie? Yes she's pretty powerful indeed but could she do anything fast enough? "

I just explained how she would do it. "

You don't seem to get it. Flash has defeated Zoom whos time control stops ALL time relative to himself. He is a beast. Flash excels speed to where time is not a factor. He could be theoretically moving at light speed with time stopped. That wont save her. "

Who cares about zoom?  Wally did that after absorbing everyone elses power which correct me if I'm wrong he doesn't have anymore.  So not only can't he do that he also wouldn't even be able to hurt her in astral form.     "

Your thinking about Rebirth. Wrong story. Wally is faster now than he was then because thats when the speed force was spread out. Even though Barrys the Flash again. But Bart after Rebirth basically PLAYED with Zoom because of their new speed. Wally > Bart > Hunter. And If she's in Astral form thats kind of an unfair advantage, or would be if Wally didn't have control over all kinetic energy in every universe, in ever dimension, and every era. "

Those are her powers and this is a team battle whether it's fair or unfair in a one on one fight doesn't matter.  Also silver surfer does the samething and when his physical form is destroyed and enters astral form he pretty much can't be killed.  Anyway I just explained how she would kill him with ease several times and I explained how legion would kill flash and I'm doing so ignoring all the other villians who could like wise kill flash with the prep time.  Flash is going to get killed and there is no way in hell he could solo.    "

"@Supermanwithatan01 said:

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" @cody1984 said:

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" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

She's the one from the Hulk vs Thor movie? Yes she's pretty powerful indeed but could she do anything fast enough? "

I just explained how she would do it. "

You don't seem to get it. Flash has defeated Zoom whos time control stops ALL time relative to himself. He is a beast. Flash excels speed to where time is not a factor. He could be theoretically moving at light speed with time stopped. That wont save her. "

Who cares about zoom?  Wally did that after absorbing everyone elses power which correct me if I'm wrong he doesn't have anymore.  So not only can't he do that he also wouldn't even be able to hurt her in astral form.     "

Your thinking about Rebirth. Wrong story. Wally is faster now than he was then because thats when the speed force was spread out. Even though Barrys the Flash again. But Bart after Rebirth basically PLAYED with Zoom because of their new speed. Wally > Bart > Hunter. And If she's in Astral form thats kind of an unfair advantage, or would be if Wally didn't have control over all kinetic energy in every universe, in ever dimension, and every era. "

Those are her powers and this is a team battle whether it's fair or unfair in a one on one fight doesn't matter.  Also silver surfer does the samething and when his physical form is destroyed and enters astral form he pretty much can't be killed.  Anyway I just explained how she would kill him with ease several times and I explained how legion would kill flash and I'm doing so ignoring all the other villians who could like wise kill flash with the prep time.  Flash is going to get killed and there is no way in hell he could solo.    "

" @cody1984 said:

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" @cody1984 said:

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" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984 said:

" @Supermanwithatan01: I did and it still doesn't explain how flash could defeat Hela.  "

Idk who Hela is..? Whats her power(s)? "

Goddess of death daughter of Loki major major pain in the ass villian and unlikely savior.  "

She's the one from the Hulk vs Thor movie? Yes she's pretty powerful indeed but could she do anything fast enough? "

I just explained how she would do it. "

You don't seem to get it. Flash has defeated Zoom whos time control stops ALL time relative to himself. He is a beast. Flash excels speed to where time is not a factor. He could be theoretically moving at light speed with time stopped. That wont save her. "

Who cares about zoom?  Wally did that after absorbing everyone elses power which correct me if I'm wrong he doesn't have anymore.  So not only can't he do that he also wouldn't even be able to hurt her in astral form.     "

Your thinking about Rebirth. Wrong story. Wally is faster now than he was then because thats when the speed force was spread out. Even though Barrys the Flash again. But Bart after Rebirth basically PLAYED with Zoom because of their new speed. Wally > Bart > Hunter. And If she's in Astral form thats kind of an unfair advantage, or would be if Wally didn't have control over all kinetic energy in every universe, in ever dimension, and every era. "

Those are her powers and this is a team battle whether it's fair or unfair in a one on one fight doesn't matter.  Also silver surfer does the samething and when his physical form is destroyed and enters astral form he pretty much can't be killed.  Anyway I just explained how she would kill him with ease several times and I explained how legion would kill flash and I'm doing so ignoring all the other villians who could like wise kill flash with the prep time.  Flash is going to get killed and there is no way in hell he could solo.    "

I haven't seen you make any points that are suggesting she could do anything to react fast enough to counter his attack. Scans? Actual examples..I've got plenty of Flash feats. Got plenty of Doom and Loki ones too. I'm saying if it's not for Doom, Flash would and could solo. Until you present some actual proof anyone could stop him or react fast enough to stop him. Which you aren't doing. "

@weaponmaster:
Apparently he thinks that could never happen since flash is to uber. 

@Aero_gt:
Yeah he doesn't seem to understand that. 

villains take this 99.99% of the time. Flash gets levitated in mid air to eliminate his silly speed then any of the villains can just kill him fast. Only one i see as a slight problem is Captain Marvel but the combined attack of the villains will win easily

Spite thread.

Marvel Villains take this with 3 months prep...for god sake.

Doom, Loki, Hela, Apocalypse and Bastion pretty much solo everyone with that much prep time.

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" @cody1984: Ha alright. Your making this muchhh harder than it has to be. Flash has fought time travelers and had no problems. He's faster than anyone else in this fight. He can steal Kinetic energy, vibrate his molecules soo fast he's intangible, Forcefields are a joke to him, He hits much harder than Superman, and could literally end the fight .0001 second after it started. If someone asks me for scans I'll present them. You have no scans, no proof that anyone on the Marvel team could think, react, move, or even come close to being fast enough to go on the Offensive. Plus you haven't stated how they would come even close to a defense. (because they wont have one) Like it or not, it is what it is. Maybe try a Marvel vs Marvel thread. "

" @cody1984: Ha alright. Your making this muchhh harder than it has to be. Flash has fought time travelers and had no problems. He's faster than anyone else in this fight. He can steal Kinetic energy, vibrate his molecules soo fast he's intangible, Forcefields are a joke to him, He hits much harder than Superman, and could literally end the fight .0001 second after it started. If someone asks me for scans I'll present them. You have no scans, no proof that anyone on the Marvel team could think, react, move, or even come close to being fast enough to go on the Offensive. Plus you haven't stated how they would come even close to a defense. (because they wont have one) Like it or not, it is what it is. Maybe try a Marvel vs Marvel thread. "

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

@cody1984:

Offensive against flash?  The guy is beyond overrated and anyone except maybe Carnage could take him out in this fight with this much prep time.  Legion is high level reality alterer and would kill him without much difficulty in a one on one fight.  Your only thing is flash moves uber fast.  Yet your ignoring alot of the villians have the ability to levitate or fly stryfe can do so and could take wally down without much difficulty just staying in the sky and attacking with telepathy.  There is no way in hell flash could solo.   

Doom Solos with 3 months Prep...

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@Supermanwithatan01 said:

@cody1984:

Maybe I am the only one. We'll just have to agree to disagree I guess. Your not answering any of my questions or challenges for the offensive against the flash, especially a defensive for him. "

Offensive against flash?  The guy is beyond overrated and anyone except maybe Carnage could take him out in this fight with this much prep time.  Legion is high level reality alterer and would kill him without much difficulty in a one on one fight.  Your only thing is flash moves uber fast.  Yet your ignoring alot of the villians have the ability to levitate or fly stryfe can do so and could take wally down without much difficulty just staying in the sky and attacking with telepathy.  There is no way in hell flash could solo.   

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" @Supermanwithatan01:  tell me something, how will the Flash defend himself against magic??? Flash can be considered a joke in this fight, truly the only one that will present a challenge to the villains is Captain Marvel NOT THE FLASH "

@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984: BOTH teams have 3 months prep. Keep in mind Flash surmised a plan that defeated the Sun eater lol. Thats a reallllly big deal if you know about the character/DC"

You need to go back and read the orginal post because only the villians have prep.     

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@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984: BOTH teams have 3 months prep. Keep in mind Flash surmised a plan that defeated the Sun eater lol. Thats a reallllly big deal if you know about the character/DC"

You need to go back and read the orginal post because only the villians have prep.     

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@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984: BOTH teams have 3 months prep. Keep in mind Flash surmised a plan that defeated the Sun eater lol. Thats a reallllly big deal if you know about the character/DC"

You need to go back and read the orginal post because only the villians have prep.     

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Damn I was thinking they both did. Well like I said Flash could win if he was going 100%all out to defeat them. "

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@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984: BOTH teams have 3 months prep. Keep in mind Flash surmised a plan that defeated the Sun eater lol. Thats a reallllly big deal if you know about the character/DC"

You need to go back and read the orginal post because only the villians have prep.     

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Damn I was thinking they both did. Well like I said Flash could win if he was going 100%all out to defeat them. "

No he wouldn't and it has been explained a dozen times why he would lose.  "

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Marvel villains.

 

Hela alone is gonna cause them much grief.

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@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984: BOTH teams have 3 months prep. Keep in mind Flash surmised a plan that defeated the Sun eater lol. Thats a reallllly big deal if you know about the character/DC"

You need to go back and read the orginal post because only the villians have prep.     

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Damn I was thinking they both did. Well like I said Flash could win if he was going 100%all out to defeat them. "

No he wouldn't and it has been explained a dozen times why he would lose.  "

Yeah but the arguments against him kinda suck.. no offense.. "

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@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984: BOTH teams have 3 months prep. Keep in mind Flash surmised a plan that defeated the Sun eater lol. Thats a reallllly big deal if you know about the character/DC"

You need to go back and read the orginal post because only the villians have prep.     

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Damn I was thinking they both did. Well like I said Flash could win if he was going 100%all out to defeat them. "

No he wouldn't and it has been explained a dozen times why he would lose.  "

Yeah but the arguments against him kinda suck.. no offense.. "

The arguments for him winning suck.  There hasn't been valid argument for him to be able to win other than "he's uber fast." "

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@Supermanwithatan01 said:

" @cody1984: BOTH teams have 3 months prep. Keep in mind Flash surmised a plan that defeated the Sun eater lol. Thats a reallllly big deal if you know about the character/DC"

You need to go back and read the orginal post because only the villians have prep.     

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Damn I was thinking they both did. Well like I said Flash could win if he was going 100%all out to defeat them. "

No he wouldn't and it has been explained a dozen times why he would lose.  "

Yeah but the arguments against him kinda suck.. no offense.. "

The arguments for him winning suck.  There hasn't been valid argument for him to be able to win other than "he's uber fast." "

In terms of the discussion with Flash/Hella/Legion etc stuff.... they do have prep, so it is very conceivable that they do what they need to do to kill him before he knows what is happening... i.e. attack him in astral form from the start that way he can't do anything "before they think"....

As to who wins... I don't know, good battle though! I think the prep will end up with a majority win for Marvel, but I am not set on that.