Marvel Tourny: k4tzm4n VS Morpheus_

" @Matezoide said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

I feel you, I had the same reaction. 
 

damn,this and Son of Storm voting for Emma on the ``whos the best X-Men`` (maybe you remember that)  thread are...scary

Ha, yes, I remember.
 

 great,if i have to choice an avatar,it haves to be something good  

 
Changing more frequently wouldn't do you harm, either. "

" @Power NeXus said:

" @Matezoide said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

I feel you, I had the same reaction. 
 

damn,this and Son of Storm voting for Emma on the ``whos the best X-Men`` (maybe you remember that)  thread are...scary"

Perhaps this indicates that Porlos is one of the horsemen of the apocalypse? "

Porlos is Apocalypse himself. "

" i know,i am just too lazy to change my avatar every week
i am planning on changing my avatar to match the protagonist of the best game i am playing right now,when i complete Bayonetta (the woman at my avatar and the game`s name) i shall change it

" @Matezoide said:

" i know,i am just too lazy to change my avatar every week
i am planning on changing my avatar to match the protagonist of the best game i am playing right now,when i complete Bayonetta (the woman at my avatar and the game`s name) i shall change it

Fair enough. "

" I dont think it's even fair to vote for either of you two;that's how close this debate is. "

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13 "

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13 "

BWAHHHH? How did I miss this?!?!?! Do you have scans???? Still, I'd say the feats I've provided are more impressive.  There's no way he should beat Tombstone, anyway. "

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13 "

BWAHHHH? How did I miss this?!?!?! Do you have scans???? Still, I'd say the feats I've provided are more impressive.  There's no way he should beat Tombstone, anyway. "

Just checked on HTML comics...That wasn't a fight LOL.  Alyosha grabbed his junk and he left. "

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13 "

BWAHHHH? How did I miss this?!?!?! Do you have scans???? Still, I'd say the feats I've provided are more impressive.  There's no way he should beat Tombstone, anyway. "

Just checked on HTML comics...That wasn't a fight LOL.  Alyosha grabbed his junk and he left. "

I personally would classify that as a win. Tombstone initiated the confrontation, but was careless and Alyosha had him begging for mercy seconds later. In fact, Tombstone started getting teary-eyed as Vulture urged Alyosha on. "

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13 "

BWAHHHH? How did I miss this?!?!?! Do you have scans???? Still, I'd say the feats I've provided are more impressive.  There's no way he should beat Tombstone, anyway. "

Just checked on HTML comics...That wasn't a fight LOL.  Alyosha grabbed his junk and he left. "

I personally would classify that as a win. Tombstone initiated the confrontation, but was careless and Alyosha had him begging for mercy seconds later. In fact, Tombstone started getting teary-eyed as Vulture urged Alyosha on. "

It was a confrontation, like you said.  It wasn't a fight.  Tombstone didn't attack him physically, only verbally.  Alyosha was then the one to use force. "

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13 "

BWAHHHH? How did I miss this?!?!?! Do you have scans???? Still, I'd say the feats I've provided are more impressive.  There's no way he should beat Tombstone, anyway. "

Just checked on HTML comics...That wasn't a fight LOL.  Alyosha grabbed his junk and he left. "

I personally would classify that as a win. Tombstone initiated the confrontation, but was careless and Alyosha had him begging for mercy seconds later. In fact, Tombstone started getting teary-eyed as Vulture urged Alyosha on. "

It was a confrontation, like you said.  It wasn't a fight.  Tombstone didn't attack him physically, only verbally.  Alyosha was then the one to use force. "

Tombstone grabbed his shirt and was getting ready to punch him prior to Alyosha's counter. "

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13 "

BWAHHHH? How did I miss this?!?!?! Do you have scans???? Still, I'd say the feats I've provided are more impressive.  There's no way he should beat Tombstone, anyway. "

Just checked on HTML comics...That wasn't a fight LOL.  Alyosha grabbed his junk and he left. "

I personally would classify that as a win. Tombstone initiated the confrontation, but was careless and Alyosha had him begging for mercy seconds later. In fact, Tombstone started getting teary-eyed as Vulture urged Alyosha on. "

It was a confrontation, like you said.  It wasn't a fight.  Tombstone didn't attack him physically, only verbally.  Alyosha was then the one to use force. "

Tombstone grabbed his shirt and was getting ready to punch him prior to Alyosha's counter. "

I still wouldn't classify that as a fight, by any means.  By saying Kraven beat Tombstone may give some the impression he actually beat him in regular combat...Which logically, should never happen.  That display in Tangled Web was horrible writing, IMO.  There is no reason to believe that...region...wouldn't be the same durability. "

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"@k4tzm4n said:

"@The Mjolnir Wielder said:

"I'll go with Morph's team. Alyosha doesn't bring a whole to to the table (especially after seeing him fighting the Rothstein Henchman), although his win over Tombstone was very impressive (I'm leaving the Human Torch fight out of this). Ord was a great selection, but I think Morph's team has the experience, discipline, speed and skill needed to come away with the win (great thread BTW k4tzm4n, very original). "

...........?????????  When has Alyosha faced Tombstone?????  "

Spider-Man's Tangled Web #13 "

BWAHHHH? How did I miss this?!?!?! Do you have scans???? Still, I'd say the feats I've provided are more impressive.  There's no way he should beat Tombstone, anyway. "

Just checked on HTML comics...That wasn't a fight LOL.  Alyosha grabbed his junk and he left. "

I personally would classify that as a win. Tombstone initiated the confrontation, but was careless and Alyosha had him begging for mercy seconds later. In fact, Tombstone started getting teary-eyed as Vulture urged Alyosha on. "

It was a confrontation, like you said.  It wasn't a fight.  Tombstone didn't attack him physically, only verbally.  Alyosha was then the one to use force. "

Tombstone grabbed his shirt and was getting ready to punch him prior to Alyosha's counter. "

I still wouldn't classify that as a fight, by any means.  By saying Kraven beat Tombstone may give some the impression he actually beat him in regular combat...Which logically, should never happen.  That display in Tangled Web was horrible writing, IMO.  There is no reason to believe that...region...wouldn't be the same durability. "

Tombstone often gets a bad wrap from the writers, though. I mean the guys lost to the likes of Joe Robertson in the past. "

"this is a great battle, my flip goes to morpheus.  I think his team, besides the outnumbering factor which usualy doesn't mean much in comics, can overwhelm Ord and Alyosha in this situation.. "

k4tz gets my vote here. Very, very good job by both sides though. I would've cried myself to sleep if I was debating against either of you guys here.

I have to read through everything before I cast my vote. This debate deserves an informed opinion.

"I have to read through everything before I cast my vote. This debate deserves an informed opinion. "

"k4tz gets my vote here. Very, very good job by both sides though. I would've cried myself to sleep if I was debating against either of you guys here. "

" For example, this one basically comes down to Ord VS Daken's pheromones =P   "

" I have to read through everything before I cast my vote. This debate deserves an informed opinion. "

LOL. Not quite, but it's fairly important.

I'd say those 2 are by far the biggest factors =P 
 
I believe right now it's 4 or 5 to 1.

I'd say those 2 are by far the biggest factors =P 
 

 

 

"

 I believe right now it's 4 or 5 to 1.

" @k4tzm4n said:

I'd say those 2 are by far the biggest factors =P 
 

 

 

"

Daken's stealth is equally important to my book.
 

 I believe right now it's 4 or 5 to 1.

 
7-1. "

" I must have missed a lot of votes then, lol. 

 But strip Daken of the pheromones and the tide shifts GREATLY in my teams favor.  Would you disagree?  If not, that's exactly why I view those elements as being the critical points of the debate. 

Never said they are anything other than critical. But I simply stated Daken's stealth is equally crucial for him to get into a range in order to apply the pheromones (and as an extension, materialise my strategy), in the first place.  
 

Even without his stealth abilities, he could get close enough by proper distraction provided by his teammates.  My point is stealth ins't required for a victory, where-as the use of pheromones is, IMHO.  Because without it, I believe we can agree Ord would take the rather large majority.
 
 

may not be crucial in the sense that it enables my team to defeat Ord that way, but had it not been for this aspect of his, then the whole plan would collapse in itself (same thing would happen if Daredevil did not possess such acute senses). Small things and team effort make it happen.  

If this were the case all along, you would have simply had a different plan to begin with ;)
 
 

"Even without his stealth abilities, he could get close enough by proper distraction provided by his teammates.  My point is stealth ins't required for a victory, where-as the use of pheromones is, IMHO.  Because without it, I believe we can agree Ord would take the rather large majority."

 If this were the case all along, you would have simply had a different plan to begin with ;)

I already stated that aspect is not a way to bring down Ord (which is considered the greatest problem my team has to answer to) 
 

It's important, yes.  But then again so is the use of Daredevil, Spider-Man, mental link and various other aspects. I just find pheromones to be the critical factor in the debate for your side, and Ord's capabilities for mine.  Without pheromones, it's likely your team would fall far easier.  If my character just had impressive armor, but no skill, it's likely my team would fall VERY quicky, lol.

"

 

I already stated that aspect is not a way to bring down Ord (which is considered the greatest problem my team has to answer to) 
 

It's important, yes.  But then again so is the use of Daredevil, Spider-Man, mental link and various other aspects. I just find pheromones to be the critical factor in the debate for your side, and Ord's capabilities for mine.  Without pheromones, it's likely your team would fall far easier.  If my character just had impressive armor, but no skill, it's likely my team would fall VERY quicky, lol.

"

" My vote remains, as one of my earlier posts seemed to have caused problems  "

" *takes back my 50 dollar bill* "

" @k4tzm4n said:

" *takes back my 50 dollar bill* "

I offered more. "

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @k4tzm4n said:

" *takes back my 50 dollar bill* "

I offered more. "

He spent the other $1,000 I gave him =( "

" @k4tzm4n said:

" @Morpheus_ said:

" @k4tzm4n said:

" *takes back my 50 dollar bill* "

I offered more. "

He spent the other $1,000 I gave him =( "

I only pay in Euros. "

ahh Monopoly, that old chestnut. There is no bond of friendship nor brotherhood that it cannot shatter with it's fake money and plastic trees.

"ahh Monopoly, that old chestnut. There is no bond of friendship nor brotherhood that it cannot shatter with it's fake money and plastic trees. "

" @OblivionKnight said:

" My vote remains, as one of my earlier posts seemed to have caused problems  "

Thank you for clarifying. "

"@Morpheus_ said:

" @OblivionKnight said:

" My vote remains, as one of my earlier posts seemed to have caused problems  "

Thank you for clarifying. "

No problem. You guys deserve it the wa you guys debated. "

"@OblivionKnight said:

"@Morpheus_ said:

" @OblivionKnight said:

" My vote remains, as one of my earlier posts seemed to have caused problems  "

Thank you for clarifying. "

No problem. You guys deserve it the wa you guys debated. "

Thx "

ok, that was a very serious read but my vote goes to Morpheus, very close though and both teams had their advantages.

" ok, that was a very serious read but my vote goes to Morpheus, very close though and both teams had their advantages. "

It took a bit and it was very back and forth tbh. I wasn't sure until the end who I would vote for.

 Understandable. It was a tough debate.