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Marvel and DC Matchups: Thor vs. Superman
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
What comic did you read where Superman one-shotted Thor? He was muttering on how it was the toughest fight he's ever had and Thor exhausted him to the point he gets KOed by Iron Man, She Hulk and Hercules ganging up on him.
It still amazes me that he was able to catch Mjolnir with the palm of his hand without breaking given Thor's hammer strikes have hurt more durable characters; everything from sky-fathers to abstracts. But feel free to consider that canon, given it's canon for DC (or at least was) - but certainly not Marvel.
In regards to the thread:
Undetermined, Superman has pulled off one insane feat since his retcon that his pre-flashpoint counterpart wouldn't have been capable of, but outside that we don't have many stunning feats for Clark to work with and a particular vulnerability to magical lightning that suggest Thor on hit might actually really do some damage.
When fighting to the best of their ability, Thor will be able to drain the solar energy from Superman's cells. Thor takes this.
@guttridgeb said:
When fighting to the best of their ability, Thor will be able to drain the solar energy from Superman's cells. Thor takes this.
Even if Thor could do that I doubt it's a matter of simply willing it to happen.
As always it will end in Thor being blitzed.
@Dextersinister said:
@guttridgeb said:
When fighting to the best of their ability, Thor will be able to drain the solar energy from Superman's cells. Thor takes this.
Even if Thor could do that I doubt it's a matter of simply willing it to happen.
As always it will end in Thor being blitzed.
I'm pretty sure he can do that, Mjolnir has a lot of uses that Thor never bothers with. Presumably it works like by willing it happen just like most other applications.
@son_of_tomorrowsaid:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
@ThunderGodsWrath
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Superman
@dondave
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Superman
Superman wins. hes faster stronger smarter and more durable
@sommyt said:
@guttridgeb: dude Thor fighting to the best of his ability superman better get out of here Thor when he gets serious has hurt abstracts ...just his lightning hurt a god that had absorbed 98% of the multiuniverse ...
Fair enough, I'm not aware of all of his high-end feats so I went for the option I was almost certain would work :)
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
Given Superman's invulnerability to magic and the fact he has been tanked by lightning Thor wins this easily.
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
You were saying?
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
You need to re-read that if that's what you think. Their fight was about 12 panels, and Thor hit him at least twice (not counting Superman catching his hammer). Superman punched him at least 3 times, plus a full dose of heat vision. He also got beat down by the rest of the Avengers almost immediately afterwards, and without much difficulty.
@ULTRAstarkiller: Superman one-shotting Thor is PIS
@GypRosetti said:
@ThunderGodsWrath: Marvel's revenge for Batman beating Hulk.
Lol that happened?
@Freefa11 said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
You need to re-read that if that's what you think. Their fight was about 12 panels, and Thor hit him at least twice (not counting Superman catching his hammer). Superman punched him at least 3 times, plus a full dose of heat vision. He also got beat down by the rest of the Avengers almost immediately afterwards, and without much difficulty.
Yep
@ThunderGodsWrath: If Disney ever buys DC from Time Warner they'll get revenge for this and job Superman to Hulk:)
@GypRosetti said:
@ThunderGodsWrath: If Disney ever buys DC from Time Warner they'll get revenge for this and job Superman to Hulk:)
LOL, oh man..
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
You were saying?
Not that cross over the jla/avengers cross over is canon not these comics.so yea.....
@Freefa11 said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
You need to re-read that if that's what you think. Their fight was about 12 panels, and Thor hit him at least twice (not counting Superman catching his hammer). Superman punched him at least 3 times, plus a full dose of heat vision. He also got beat down by the rest of the Avengers almost immediately afterwards, and without much difficulty.
Post these 12 scans then,because I remember their fight not lasting no more than 3 panels.Unless your talking about all the teams fighting in 12 scans.Because they didn't even make the superman and thor fight that long. And I remember just one hit from superman that laid him out,catching the hammer,and hitting him with heat vision. And so what if he got jumped by the avengers? Thor got jumped by a bunch of nobodies in siege and was blasted to near death/@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@Freefa11 said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
You need to re-read that if that's what you think. Their fight was about 12 panels, and Thor hit him at least twice (not counting Superman catching his hammer). Superman punched him at least 3 times, plus a full dose of heat vision. He also got beat down by the rest of the Avengers almost immediately afterwards, and without much difficulty.
Yep
Above.
@GypRosetti: All those scans are cis and pis
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Post these 12 scans then,because I remember their fight not lasting no more than 3 panels.Unless your talking about all the teams fighting in 12 scans.Because they didn't even make the superman and thor fight that long. And I remember just one hit from superman that laid him out,catching the hammer,and hitting him with heat vision.
I didn't say 12 scans, I said 12 panels. You said 3 panels. You also said he got 1-shotted. Getting punched multiple times and shot with heat vision is not 1 shot.
And so what if he got jumped by the avengers? Thor got jumped by a bunch of nobodies in siege and was blasted to near death
Thor was the heaviest hitter on his team. Superman going down easily immediately after their fight is a pretty obvious indicator the fight was not that easy for him.
Which "nobodies" nearly killed Thor in Siege?
@thanosii: No, only the "Marvel vs. DC" crossover in the 90's was fan-voted, and in that one Superman fought (and defeated) the Hulk. Thor fought (and defeated) Captain Marvel. That's also the one with the infamous instance of Wolverine defeating Lobo (also Storm defeating Wonder Woman was pretty bad).
All the other Marvel/DC crossovers were just written by the writers, including JLA/Avengers. I'm sure there was no small amount of editorial politicking going on, but there was no fan input involved.
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@Freefa11 said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
You need to re-read that if that's what you think. Their fight was about 12 panels, and Thor hit him at least twice (not counting Superman catching his hammer). Superman punched him at least 3 times, plus a full dose of heat vision. He also got beat down by the rest of the Avengers almost immediately afterwards, and without much difficulty.
Post these 12 scans then,because I remember their fight not lasting no more than 3 panels.Unless your talking about all the teams fighting in 12 scans.Because they didn't even make the superman and thor fight that long. And I remember just one hit from superman that laid him out,catching the hammer,and hitting him with heat vision. And so what if he got jumped by the avengers? Thor got jumped by a bunch of nobodies in siege and was blasted to near death/@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@Freefa11 said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
@ThunderGodsWrath said:
@son_of_tomorrow said:
Superman,already been done in comics.Superman one shot him.
Superman would beat Thor maybe. It's debatable. Also if anyone's getting one-shotted. It would be Superman.
Superman has beaten Thor in the cross-over with a one shot. DC accepted it as canon,while marvel does not.So basically he has beaten him,and made it look pretty dang easy. Even though he said it was his toughest opponent, which I don't believe since the battle lasted like 3 panels.And Thor didn't really even touch superman like that.
You need to re-read that if that's what you think. Their fight was about 12 panels, and Thor hit him at least twice (not counting Superman catching his hammer). Superman punched him at least 3 times, plus a full dose of heat vision. He also got beat down by the rest of the Avengers almost immediately afterwards, and without much difficulty.
Yep
Above.
@GypRosetti: All those scans are cis and pis
LOL, i'm not even going to counter this..
Thor's strength-His most famous feat of all time is his lifting the Midgard Serpent, and it's the weight of the earth, now the earth weighs about 6.6 Sextillion tons, and we've already exceeded Superman in strength considering his greatest feat was pulling the earth and that is only about 6.6 Quintillion tons of force required to move it such a short distance, not to mention the force was greatly alleviated because of Hal's Harness, they opted to share the force, which means he couldn't even lift that, but let's assume he can-as he only moved it a very short distance-but let's go deeper than that.
Now as a mystical serpent constricting down on a planet, we can only assume it's stronger than an earthly creature, but let's use one as a comparison. An Anaconda weighing 550 pounds was measured as exerting over 90 pounds per square inch of force during an act of constriction, this equals a total force of over 8,818 pounds, or roughly, 16 times its bodyweight.
Now when we factor in that the Midgard Serpent was in fact exerting an additional sixteen times its weight in resistance due to being coiled around the earth at the time Thor hoisted it off, that would mean that the God of Thunder exerted enough strength to break over 105.6 sextillion tons of force, then he still has the weight of the serpent itself that he has to lift, and then toss it into space, which requires even more strength, but to determine that strength it requires knowledge of physics that I do not have. So it's likely that Thor can lift far more, considering his fishing position itself gave him even worse leverage for lifting.
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Now let me point this out, that's him wrestling around with Hercules, the guy who lifted up the heavens, the God of Power and strength himself, Thor is supposed to be his equal, and the Marvel Hercules is easily superior to the DC Hercules.
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And here are two panels of Thor resisting the weight of twenty planets like Child's play. 6.6*20=132. So that's 132 Sextillion tons he's under, and he's not budging, and even fighting it.
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Now, those are all Beta Ray Bill, but Beta Ray Bill has all the power of Thor, and even less experience, this is him destroying an entire planet without flying through the core.
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Thor also fighting the weight of the Ygdrasil tree, which holds the entire Nine Realms, or Nine Realities. This is the equivalent of lifting this tree high in the air, and he's pushing against that force, the world engine. This is like moving nine entire realities, nine entire universes, nine infinite weights when he pushes the Worldengine.
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He held an entire moon together, kept it from falling apart, Our moon weighs around 81 Quintillion Tons, and he kept it together, fighting force enough to split a planet apart, and those forces are around 231,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 (231 Sextillion) Tons of Force, which, yes, means Thor can lift Sextillions of Tons of force, more than enough, and a modern scan.
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Thor easily shattering a comet
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And just for good measure, here is Thor and Beta Ray Bill squatting Asgard.
Then I don’t have a scan for it, but in Thor: God of Thunder, Issue #8 Page 73, Thor effortlessly throws a star at the God-Bomb, a star weighs around 2 Octillion tons, rounded down.
Thor has enough striking power that his full force can cause nearby star systems to shake
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And he was able to bust many, many stars
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He only had half the power of it, the other half being Beta Ray Bill, but this would take hundreds of Octillions of tons of strength. This thing dwarfed and contained stars, the amount of energy and durability it would need is beyond planetary, beyond the weight of those stars it contains, it would weigh possibly Nonillions of tons and require hundreds of times more force to destroy.
And to really finalize this, Thor can hit so hard, that the shockwaves _destroy_ nearby planetary objects
Thor's Speed-Thor has many feats of punking both Quicksilver, and even Hermes, the greek god of speed, but that's not it.
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This is Thor inside a solar system attempting to catch up with a large starship that's already flown out of the solar system. Now as we can see here Thor speaks "Increase my speed a hundredfold" now while this may be a simple exaggeration, let's look at it like this. To move at 9x the speed of light between the sun and earth takes two minutes, this took Thor seconds to catch up with this starship, outside of an entire solar system. To give you an idea of just how big out own solar system is, check this out.
http://joshworth.com/dev/pixelspace/pixelspace_solarsystem.html
Scroll through this entire thing, this is the entirety of our solar system if the moon were only one pixel. Now Thor flew out of that in mere seconds, which means he had to be going far, far beyond 9x the speed of light to make it there in about, two, three seconds max. In the actual math, we have Thor moving around 540x the speed of light in order to match that in seconds. But to move from the suns-which you can plainly see-to even the distance of Pluto, we'd need to increase that by a multiple of 39.5. When we do that, Thor traveled at a speed of around 21330x the speed of light. That equals about 6394573129140(6 Trillion) Meters per second, but in Miles per hour, he's moving at 14304252704769.15(14 Trillion) MPH. In the metric system, that's 23020463264904.003906 (23 Trillion) KPH
Now, pile this up against Superman's fastest speeds that have been mentioned, we have Superman at about 15x the speed of light at 15 Billion KPH, and Thor exceeding that 1422 times.
But that's not it, The ship Thor is chasing after is //also// moving faster than the speed of light, and his goal is to overtake the ship itself, and apparently he dropped out of that speed to do so because if he didn't, he most likely would have caused such a ripple in space-time around the vessel that it would have torn it apart.
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Outspeeding Ego the living Planet, who can enter Hyperspace, thousands upon thousands of times faster than Lightspeed
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Here, just to prove my point, is Thor flying at 3x the speed of light with relative ease.
Yet another speed feat that only further proves my point, he travels from the sun to the earth in a matter of seconds.
And then on top of it, Thor can swing his hammer 2x as fast as he can fly with it, which means in a fight itself he can swing Mjolnir at 46 Trillion MPH
But wait, there’s one more. Said Billy Mays, God rest his soul
He threw his hammer to the farthest reaches of the Galaxy, it came back in a few seconds.Our Galaxy is 100,000 light years across, and it went across then back, 200,000 lightyears, and that means to go there and back in about three seconds is 66,666x lightspeed at the very most.
And then he's also crossed the universe in a few seconds before, which makes him infinitely fast.
Thor's agility/reflexes-Thor's able to not only react to, but effectively catch and even reflect blasts of energy and objects moving far faster than the speed of light.
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This is Thor moving so fast that even Heimdall couldn't see him, a guy endowed with Super senses, able to hear the grass grow, the sap running in the trees or the beating of the wings of a butterfly on the other side of the galaxy and whose eyes see light years away.
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Thor refleting Blastaar's rays in a manner of Nanoseconds
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Here's a recent feat for him, dodging his own hammer when it was moving at insane speeds about two and a half feet from his face. (2000)
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Thor stating himself he's beaten people faster than Quicksilver as he kicks his ass (No stated volume or date)
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The Wrecker's Crowbar being grabbed by Thor as it was merely inched from his head (2000)
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Thor catching Bor's-his Grandfather's-axe as it was inches from his face (2009)
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Thor deflecting energy blasts (1999)
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Thor Speed-Blitzing Advanced Alien Kree Tech
Here's some of Thor's Durability-I've shown you resisting the weight of those planets, and now here's another panel
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This is Thor resisting Hellfire like it's nothing, Ghost Rider's Hellfire.
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This is Thor resisting the gravity pull of a Neutron Star, A neutron star has 200 billion times the gravity of earth. That level of acceleration means a neutron star's gravity is faster than light.
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This is Thor just standing in the center of the sun, having a casual conversation with his brother.
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Thor resisting Arctic forces
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Thor resisting the power of an exploding sun
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Thor getting hit with a lot of electricity, apparently it's like food for him, and as a guy who controls lightning and thunder, this is a big advantage.
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Thor being rocked by multiple solar system-destroying blasts from a Celestial, and coming out strong. This is probably his greatest feat of Durability, as the Celestials are a race above even Galactus in terms of power, and the power at which they can put out attacks are immeasurable.
This one goes under durability and speed I suppose, but saving Red Hulk from a Black Hole, and resisting the extreme gravitational pull.
Thor’s Endurance-This one may be similar to Durability, but there’s a difference, durability is how much damage you can take and what you can resist, Endurance is how long you can keep going.
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Thor fought the Dead for Forty Days and Forty Nights.
Thor's advanced musculature is considerably more efficient than that of most other Asgardians. As a result, his muscles produce practically no fatigue toxins during physical activity compared to those of humans and most other members of his race. He possesses virtually inexhaustible stamina and can exert himself at peak capacity for countless months, at the very least, without tiring at all. Thor was able to engage the entire Frost Giants army nonstop for more than 9 months straight without any sustenance or rest. Thor was even able to fight and stalemate the Sky father Zeus uninterrupted while the months, and consequently the Trojan War, raced by Hela herself mentioned that Thor could fight on for however long it takes.
Then, on top of all of this, around others, he always holds back.
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Thor straight-up stating he holds back all the time, he does it to protect mortals around him, and even here we don’t see the full extent of his power.
With all of this evidence, all of this proof, I can definitively say that Thor is superior to Superman, and if they were to fight, Thor would come out on top.
This of course not even taking into context that fact that Mjolnir is a magical weapon, and if Wonder Woman's tiara could rip up Superman's throat, what could a hammer that destroys planets do to him? While Superman has tanked magical attacks before, this is a magic-wielding enemy who also has the physical prowess to take Superman on.
superman in not weak to magic. i wish people will stop saying that. he has no natural defense against it. however, it still will take a heck of a lot of magic to put him down. in a shared universe, thor MIGHT have a chance. if thor just went into d.c. universe, then thor will get beat down because his magic won't affect him. if superman just went to marvel, superman will beat the heck out of thor. so any thor vs supes fight will depen on the op. however, i think superman will win. he usually gets more votes every time there is a thor vs supes fight.
Superman
Superman. Their strength levels and durability are similar but the major difference is speed, superman is so much faster than thor its not even funny thor will be moving like a snail in his eyes so superman wins via speed blitzz
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