Tell me why u believe Thor or SS could not do the same damage to the AM....
Did you see that scan? Superman, Captain Marvel, two Wonder Women, Firestorm, Green Lantern and a whole bunch of other heroes could not damage the AM's second form.
@LordMaverick: They're not as powerful as Silver Age Supergirl. Even if they are, explain how the Anti-Monitor took on the Spectre powered up by several magicians. Explain how he tanks attacks from literally 50 heroes simultaneously with Silver Age Superman acknowledging to himself that they're not doing any damage.
@CitizenBane: Do you remember Thor shattered Exitar the celestials head dome?......
I also remember that Exitar was not even bothered by the hit, and that Thor did not "shatter" anything, he punched a small hole in Exitar's armor (his exact words were "Od's blood! T'was my mightiest blow and the Celestial felt it not --- e'en though it did tear a small hole in his armor!").
Considering Exitar is completely featless, the impressiveness of that feat bears examination. The only person who has actually dealt permanent damage to Exitar was Sue Storm.
I never debated how powerful the AM is, secondly Supergirl only destroyed his 1st incarnation armor, and if you recall the celestials were only damaged once odin and all the asgardian life forces (not thor) inhabited the destroyer Armour and with the odin sword.......
I never debated how powerful the AM is, secondly Supergirl only destroyed his 1st incarnation armor, and if you recall the celestials were only damaged once odin and all the asgardian life forces (not thor) inhabited the destroyer Armour and with the odin sword.......
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I am pretty sure those Celestials were people like Arishem and Ziran who were already high up on the hierarchy to begin with, so their durability does not reflect the average Celestials's.
Flash never does such a move at the start. It will give SS plenty of time to take care of flash. Team 1 will still win due to MM, but flash will never ever ever solo SS.
Explain me how exactly does SS take care of flash with standard morals?
I am a big silver surfer fan but flash has reaction time to dodge anything silver surer can throw at him. If he's willing to fight he can simply punch surfer's face in.
@CitizenBane: The post wasn't anything about mjolnirs durability, it was to show the attack damaged exitar, where as Thor could not physically damage exitar.
Flash never does such a move at the start. It will give SS plenty of time to take care of flash. Team 1 will still win due to MM, but flash will never ever ever solo SS.
Explain me how exactly does SS take care of flash with standard morals?
I am a big silver surfer fan but flash has reaction time to dodge anything silver surer can throw at him. If he's willing to fight he can simply punch surfer's face in.
Flash won't be so aggressive with morals on also.
Also, i believe SS can tank flashs punches, even when flash has moral off.
@Killemall: pretty sure i have an old ss comic from the 80's-90's where he is dodging asteroids at light speed or something,pretty gud feat in reaction time perhaps?
@Killemall: pretty sure i have an old ss comic from the 80's-90's where he is dodging asteroids at light speed or something,pretty gud feat in reaction time perhaps?
Yeah i have seen that before, i think its from Silver Surfer Volume 2, cant seem to be able to pinpoint the exact issue. He was said to be travelling faster than light and he circles around the asteroid when appearing as a blurr.
Good though the problem is how much faster than light. Flash can move significantly faster than light. His best reaction feat (Wally West) is attosecond, which is about 1,000,000,000 time faster than light. So despite his awesome speed he's still outclassed.
@bluepride1234 said:
Flash won't be so aggressive with morals on also.
Also, i believe SS can tank flashs punches, even when flash has moral off.
We assume that people are willing to fight at their potential for the purpose of this thread.
Silver Surfer's durability to blunt physical has never been so great, and i have no doubt he could tank 1 or two. Problem is, at the peak of his speed, flash can get more than a million punches before silver surfer could even react. Dont see silver surfer tanking those.
There is a reason people here believe flash is almost neigh-unbeatable, because given his reaction time most people should have problem even seeing him let alone be able to hit or dodge him.
There is a reason people here believe flash is almost neigh-unbeatable, because given his reaction time most people should have problem even seeing him let alone be able to hit or dodge him.
If he can travel 1 billion times FTL than any thread with Wally in it should be banned because noone can even see Wally, let alone touch him.
If he can 1 billion times FTL than any thread with Wally in it should be banned because noone can even see Wally, let alone touch him.
Well based on his best reaction time shown thus far thats very true. That is why people believe Wally beats anyone on the thread whom he can physically KO. Not even going to say anything about Zoom whom flash couldnt even see without being amped.
Well based on his best reaction time shown thus far thats very true. That is why people believe Wally beats anyone on the thread whom he can physically KO. Not even going to say anything about Zoom whom flash couldnt even see without being amped.
Hunter Zolomon, Prof Zoom isnt much faster than Wally to be honest. I mean he's Barry's main villain and Barry has always been able to keep up with him in speed. Its only Zoom who managed to blitz him in the story Flash: the Blitz. The only real problem with Prof Zoom is because of negative speed force he has other powers which make him deadly.
Zoom was just wayyy overpowered. Makes sense why he lost his powers so quickly and was never talked about again. He lost his powers in what 4 years of his appearance.
@majestic99:Thor couldn't hit Quicksilver directly, he had to hit the ground to send him flying through the air
Thor does NOT have FTL reaction speed. He flew in a straight line to save Rulk from a black hole, he didn't even grab Rulk, he flew right into him and caught him with his shoulder and both were OUTSIDE the event horizon.
Does reaction speed directly correspond to transportation and combat speed?
Also, if Thor and SS start in the air they could just bust the planet (if it's an unhabited planet) to take out Flash. Or is Flash capable of Space Travel?
Thor strikes down a moving Quicksilver and claimed to have fought enemies faster than him:
Saves Rulk from a black hole(FTL reactionary feat):
Micro-second Reaction Time:
It looks like he hit the ground not Quicksilver, so I don't know what that is supposed to show. And Rulk was not moving anywhere near FTL and Thor only needs to fly FTL once they reach the event horizon
Silver Surfer would solo this IMO. Thor dies sadly :( Thor would be dead meat on the ground. Martian Manhunter's T/P won't work on Silver Surfer & Flash can't reach him. Silver Surfer just has to fly up and destroy the planet. Flash for sure is gonna die from that blast. Martian Manhunter idk? Even if he does he will be Koed easily by Silver Surfer.
Flash takes out Thor and in response Surfer blows up the planet. With his dying breath, Flash transfer all his speed to J'onn the picosecond before he dies. J'onn is then untouchable. haha
@majestic99:Thor couldn't hit Quicksilver directly, he had to hit the ground to send him flying through the air
Thor does NOT have FTL reaction speed. He flew in a straight line to save Rulk from a black hole, he didn't even grab Rulk, he flew right into him and caught him with his shoulder and both were OUTSIDE the event horizon.
It looks like he hit the ground not Quicksilver, so I don't know what that is supposed to show. And Rulk was not moving anywhere near FTL and Thor only needs to fly FTL once they reach the event horizon
1. That Thor struck him down
2. Never said Rulk was moving at FTL, I meant that Thor had to react and travel at FTL in order to catch Rulk and escape from a black hole.
@majestic99:Thor couldn't hit Quicksilver directly, he had to hit the ground to send him flying through the air
Thor does NOT have FTL reaction speed. He flew in a straight line to save Rulk from a black hole, he didn't even grab Rulk, he flew right into him and caught him with his shoulder and both were OUTSIDE the event horizon.
MicrosecondS, notice the plural
1. Thor struck him down
2. He reacted to catch Rulk from a black hole
3. Microsecond
1. By hitting the ground. Because he was too slow to hit him directly.
2. He flew in a straight line, caught Rulk with his shoulder and they were outside the event horizon, not a reaction feat
1. By hitting the ground. Because he was too slow to hit him directly.
2. He flew in a straight line, caught Rulk with his shoulder and they were outside the event horizon, not a reaction feat
3. MicrosecondS
1. No, Thor struck Quicksilver. If Thor was slower, he wouldn't have been able to strike Quicksilver at all.
2. Thor reacted and caught Rulk, and traveled FTL in order to escape the black hole.
3. It was microseconds away, but that means Thor has microsecond reaction time.
1. Thor never hit Quicksilver, he hit the ground and sent him flying. If Thor directly hit QS then he wouldn't have flown back at that angle.
2. Thor flew in a straight line and caught Rulk who was outside the event horizon. The only thing it showed is that Thor can fly faster than light, he cannot react anywhere near light speed.
It looks like he hit the ground not Quicksilver, so I don't know what that is supposed to show. And Rulk was not moving anywhere near FTL and Thor only needs to fly FTL once they reach the event horizon
1. That Thor struck him down
2. Never said Rulk was moving at FTL, I meant that Thor had to react and travel at FTL in order to catch Rulk and escape from a black hole.
2. You only have to be traveling FTL if you are already in the event horizon. So their is no indication of how fast Thor was traveling really.
2. You only have to be traveling FTL if you are already in the event horizon. So their is no indication of how fast Thor was traveling really.
You have to be FTL in order to escape a black hole.
@Dex_Starr said:
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1. Thor never hit Quicksilver, he hit the ground and sent him flying. If Thor directly hit QS then he wouldn't have flown back at that angle.
2. Thor flew in a straight line and caught Rulk who was outside the event horizon. The only thing it showed is that Thor can fly faster than light, he cannot react anywhere near light speed.
Thor is irrelevant in this thread IMO ... this is surfer vs. the two ... morals on DC wins ... morals off surfer/thor wins (thor would be useful morals off ... morals on he is just target practice).
Morals on ... surfer goes in to fight hand to hand like he always does and gets pumbled.
Morals off ... he just blows up earth making flash a non factor (surfer starts in air via OP so no speed blitz) .... and surfer can take on MM in a tough battle.
2. You only have to be traveling FTL if you are already in the event horizon. So their is no indication of how fast Thor was traveling really.
You have to be FTL in order to escape a black hole.
@Dex_Starr said:
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1. Thor never hit Quicksilver, he hit the ground and sent him flying. If Thor directly hit QS then he wouldn't have flown back at that angle.
2. Thor flew in a straight line and caught Rulk who was outside the event horizon. The only thing it showed is that Thor can fly faster than light, he cannot react anywhere near light speed.
3. It was MicrosecondS Period
1. Thor struck Quicksilver, end of story.
2. He reacted and saved Rulk.
3. Microsecond, end of story.
1. Only in your mind, when you come back to reality you'll see that he hit the ground.
2. He flew in a straight line, caught RUlk with his shoulder who was outside the Event Horizon and wasn't going FTL
3. MicrosecondS...period
You're basically ignoring everything and repeating yourself. I accept your concession.
2. You only have to be traveling FTL if you are already in the event horizon. So their is no indication of how fast Thor was traveling really.
You have to be FTL in order to escape a black hole.
Only once you're in the event horizon, which is why the event horizon is black. Obviously they were not in the area that has an FTl escape velocity since you could still see thing. ie they weren't actually in the black whole yet.
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