#1 Posted by Spartan101 (2489 posts) - - Show Bio

Fight in nyc,no bfr. Start 1 mile apart. {Flash wally west.}

,,,,,,,,vs,,,,,,,,,

#2 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Spartan101: Does Team 2 start in the air?

#3 Edited by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio
#4 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

...ooooor Thor goes down in a Flash, and then it's doubleteam on Surfer.

#5 Posted by Saren (25067 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

Silver Surfer takes out MM first and teams up Thor to finish Wally.

Team 2 wins.

Or J'onn makes Thor see Rhino everywhere and then teams up with Wally to beat the Surfer.

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#6 Edited by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

No.

#7 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99: A compelling rebuttal.

#8 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

First off, SS can just transmute MM, or he could bfr MM, or a multitude of other things, MM can't beat Surfer.

#9 Posted by Saren (25067 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

First off, SS can just transmute MM, or he could bfr MM, or a multitude of other things, MM can't beat Surfer.

He does none of those things in character, and MM has resistance to that sort of thing anyway. J'onn doesn't have to beat Surfer, he just has to turn Thor's head inside out and then get Wally's help to beat Surfer.

But now please for the love of god, don't spam scans from issues you've never read as a rebuttal.

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#10 Posted by Om4zd (929 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99: Flash can

#11 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

Jonn can't beat SS, neither can Flash.

#12 Posted by Saren (25067 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

Jonn can't beat SS, neither can Flash.

Flash can beat Surfer, J'onn may not, but together they can, which is what people have been saying, so why are you ignoring that?

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#13 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99: The OP specifies no BFR.

Also, are you saying that Martian Manhunter and Flash together stand zero chance of taking down Surfer?

#14 Posted by Spartan101 (2489 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: thor would start on ground as he does mostly,ss would be flying

#15 Posted by majestic99 (8637 posts) - - Show Bio

lastson/citizenbane:

I was never saying together they couldn't beat Surfer, I was saying alone they couldn't.

#16 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

Wally beats Surfer and J'onn beats Thor. Team 1 wins

#17 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99: That's a pretty bold statement even so.

#18 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@majestic99 said:

Silver Surfer takes out MM first and teams up Thor to finish Wally.

Team 2 wins.

@CitizenBane said:

@majestic99 said:

Jonn can't beat SS, neither can Flash.

Flash can beat Surfer, J'onn may not, but together they can, which is what people have been saying, so why are you ignoring that?

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@majestic99: The OP specifies no BFR.

Also, are you saying that Martian Manhunter and Flash together stand zero chance of taking down Surfer?

Silver Surfer would solo this IMO. Thor dies sadly :( Thor would be dead meat on the ground. Martian Manhunter's T/P won't work on Silver Surfer & Flash can't reach him. Silver Surfer just has to fly up and destroy the planet. Flash for sure is gonna die from that blast. Martian Manhunter idk? Even if he does he will be Koed easily by Silver Surfer.

#19 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

Flash solos.

#20 Edited by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: Let me get this straight. You're saying that you're not taking the stance that Surfer couldn't be taken down by a tag team of J'Onn and Wally but you're also saying that Surfer solos?

EDIT: Sorry, I confused you for Majestic99.

#21 Posted by Saren (25067 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant: Um........Surfer is not destroying a planet with morals on.

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#22 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001 said:

Flash solos.

No Silver Surfer solo's :)

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@jeanroygrant: Let me get this straight. You're saying that you're not taking the stance that Surfer couldn't be taken down by a tag team of J'Onn and Wally but you're also saying that Surfer solos?

It's one or the other.

Wha? Read what i said again.

#23 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@CitizenBane said:

@jeanroygrant: Um........Surfer is not destroying a planet with morals on.

It doesn't say morals are on or off...

#24 Posted by AssertingValor (5447 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2, they both have defeated much bigger threats than MM and Flash.......

#25 Posted by Illuminatus (9489 posts) - - Show Bio

The Manhunter from Mars and the Fastest Man Alive win.

#26 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick: Flash punched the Anti-Monitor's second form's armor to bits at invisible superspeed if you're playing that card.

#27 Posted by AssertingValor (5447 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Where did this happen?

#28 Posted by RyuHayabusa (2019 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia said:

@LordMaverick: Flash punched the Anti-Monitor's second form's armor to bits at invisible superspeed if you're playing that card.

:)

#29 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick: "Chain Lightning" I believe it was part 6 of 6, but it was the last issue in the storyarc. Mark Waid's run, circa issue 150.

#30 Posted by AssertingValor (5447 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Never read it, can you show me where it states that Am's armour is impervious to damage?

#31 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick: Are you kidding or are you actually serious?

#32 Posted by Saren (25067 posts) - - Show Bio

@jeanroygrant said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jeanroygrant: Um........Surfer is not destroying a planet with morals on.

It doesn't say morals are on or off...

And when it doesn't, you go with regular morals. It's in the rules.

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#33 Posted by Spartan101 (2489 posts) - - Show Bio

thors reaction speeds anyone?

#34 Posted by bluepride1234 (328 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001: No way in hell could flash solo.

#35 Posted by AssertingValor (5447 posts) - - Show Bio

Yes, we don't assume things are indestructible..........

#36 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick: I take it you're being serious then. OK.

Have you ever heard of Crisis on Infinite Earths?

#37 Posted by AssertingValor (5447 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: many times

#38 Posted by venomoushatred1001 (12273 posts) - - Show Bio

@bluepride1234 said:

@venomoushatred1001: No way in hell could flash solo.

Why not? He could just steal their speed and turn them into living statures.

#39 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick: Prove it.

#40 Posted by bluepride1234 (328 posts) - - Show Bio

@venomoushatred1001 said:

@bluepride1234 said:

@venomoushatred1001: No way in hell could flash solo.

Why not? He could just steal their speed and turn them into living statures.

Flash never does such a move at the start. It will give SS plenty of time to take care of flash. Team 1 will still win due to MM, but flash will never ever ever solo SS.

#41 Posted by AssertingValor (5447 posts) - - Show Bio

Well i own the soft cover 12 issue edition, ill even state the pg number cause the book is in front of me....pg. 209-212 shows kara fighting the AM he says "You have destroyed most of my body!, I feel my energies waning." KJara attacks one last ime only to be killed by one of the AM energy blasts......

#42 Posted by jeanroygrant (20191 posts) - - Show Bio

@Illuminatus said:

The Manhunter from Mars and the Fastest Man Alive win.

@CitizenBane said:

@jeanroygrant said:

@CitizenBane said:

@jeanroygrant: Um........Surfer is not destroying a planet with morals on.

It doesn't say morals are on or off...

And when it doesn't, you go with regular morals. It's in the rules.

I guess your right.
#43 Posted by Saren (25067 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick said:

Well i own the soft cover 12 issue edition, ill even state the pg number cause the book is in front of me....pg. 209-212 shows kara fighting the AM he says "You have destroyed most of my body!, I feel my energies waning." KJara attacks one last ime only to be killed by one of the AM energy blasts......

Been a while since I read that but I think the AM's first form was not as strong as the form he was in when he fought the heroes in Qward. The form that Flash destroyed was very durable:

This is what Wally did to it when he went all out:

'Course, he only shattered the armor and not the AM himself, but still.

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#44 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick: Good for her. What's your point?

#45 Posted by Petey_is_Spidey (2934 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 2 wins in a close fight.

I.A.T.

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#46 Posted by AssertingValor (5447 posts) - - Show Bio

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: u asked me to prove it, or did you already forget???

Some reason you thing thor or SS would not be able to do the same damage to the AM.........

#47 Posted by The_Thunderer (2894 posts) - - Show Bio

I think Thor is just a distraction in this fight, attracting MMs attention while SS cleans up flash and then MM

#48 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick: You're right in that you proved that you know the book exists. I'll stop there since I don't want to get warned by a mod.

#49 Posted by blackadamFTW (7867 posts) - - Show Bio

Team 1. Wally steals Surfer's speed, and they double team Thor.

#50 Posted by TifaLockhart (14157 posts) - - Show Bio

@LordMaverick: You got something to say to me, be a man and say it in the thread instead of over PM.