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Rules:
- Morals on.
- Worthy Thor.
- Pre-New 52 J'onn.
- Loki doesn't have the Norn stones.
- No BFR.
- They start 50 feet apart.
- Fight takes place here:
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Martian manhunter. I think the team has the versatility to match him which is interesting but speed is an issue as always. If speed were equalized I might give it to the team all though even than I don't know.
Loki turns him into snow
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Bor did not have his magical defences up for some reason hence why Loki was able to do this. Martian manhunter can manipulate his form on a molecular level so it is very questionable how effective this tactic is.
@hatemalingsia: @micah: hasn 't been beaten really IIRC even has had a TP battle with odin
@hatemalingsia: @micah: hasn 't been beaten really IIRC even has had a TP battle with odin
Issue number or scans?
@jashro44: wasn't really serious however i still think team can win, loki is a tricky fella to beat
@jashro44: wasn't really serious however i still think team can win, loki is a tricky fella to beat
I don't see how. J'ohn matches/counters Lokis versatility to my knowledge but he outclasses Loki physically.
@jashro44: Thor #445- can post the scan later not at home atm, he dosent win but i still feel its a very good feat considering Odins power level
@hatemalingsia: @micah: hasn 't been beaten really IIRC even has had a TP battle with odin
In that case it shouldn't be too far of a stretch to say he should be able to protect Thor from TP assaults.
MMH can drop/ Control Thor and whether loki has TP res. or not (I'm not sure) MMH is more powerful physically and can Phase through them and kill very quickly.
EDIT: Morals off Jo'nn won't phase to kill but he'll still win through Tping Thor
@jashro44: Thor #445- can post the scan later not at home atm, he dosent win but i still feel its a very good feat considering Odins power level
I would like to see scans. You mean The Mighty Thor #445 - The War And The Warrior?
Loki's getting underestimated here...
How? What he's got that J'ohn can't handle?
@jashro44: llusions and body doubles while the actual loki could phase attacks or go invisble while he thinks of a strategy, Thor will not go down easy aswell and he has also a wide variety of techniques,
Just wondering as its both pre and new wouldnt that mean he has his mental weakness to fire? Because he summons alot of creatures to fight his battles including dragons and uses fire alot which has been shown to damage ironman and incinerate frost giants
Lastly he has spells which will both increase thors effectiveness and hinder MMH, he can increase thors strength and even sap MMH for his
and the scan here
it ends by saying loki appears to be holding his own then odin unleashes a energy bolt
@jashro44: llusions and body doubles while the actual loki could phase attacks or go invisble while he thinks of a strategy, Thor will not go down easy aswell and he has also a wide variety of techniques,
Illusions that can fool someone like martian manhunter? J'ohn has 9 different senses and he is a top tier telepath. Invisibility isn't working here and thats something J'ohn can do. J'ohn has phased kill as well in the past.
Just wondering as its both pre and new wouldnt that mean he has his mental weakness to fire? Because he summons alot of creatures to fight his battles including dragons and uses fire alot which has been shown to damage ironman and incinerate frost giants
Lastly he has spells which will both increase thors effectiveness and hinder MMH, he can increase thors strength and even sap MMH for his
I don't know about New 52 but pre new 52 had overcome his weakness to fire IIRC:
It takes a lot of fire to hurt pre new 52 martian manhunter I believe. And what feats do these dragons have? Why can't J'ohn one shot them with his bare hands before they can react for blast them with martian vision? As for your last point martian manhunter can increase his strength IIRC using his shape-shifting. And how far can Loki boost thor and how weak can he make martian manhunter?
Loki's getting underestimated here...
How? What he's got that J'ohn can't handle?
What can J'onn do to his astral form?
Loki's getting underestimated here...
How? What he's got that J'ohn can't handle?
What can J'onn do to his astral form?
Why wouldn't TP work? Can Loki defend against a telepath of the Martians level?
@jashro44: i would say there about two steps above fodder tbh, could hurt thor to some degeree and couldd withstand some hits from thor
His enhancements have boosted Skagg to levels which made him a physical match forodin and was working until Odin let loose again no shame when its agaisnt a powerful skyfather
Also boosts thors however dosent give any amounts how much by.
With regards to curses and debuffs he depowered the whole of wrecking crew and gained their strength for himself, weakens nobilus enough for thor to beat him 1v1, and his greatest feat which may not be canon as of yet but i am unsure because its in the future he saps mangog in order to boost himself to fight RKT
Lastly he can heal both himself and thor if they ever get wounded badly and he has done so in seconds mid combat
Plus i highly doubt MMH can sense which illusiin and body double is real and where he is while invisible seeing as they have tricked odin,wolverine, mephisto couldnt find an invisible loki in his own realm and tricked jean grey which shows that TP can detect either
@jashro44: i would say there about two steps above fodder tbh, could hurt thor to some degeree and couldd withstand some hits from thor
His enhancements have boosted Skagg to levels which made him a physical match forodin and was working until Odin let loose again no shame when its agaisnt a powerful skyfather
Also boosts thors however dosent give any amounts how much by.
With regards to curses and debuffs he depowered the whole of wrecking crew and gained their strength for himself, weakens nobilus enough for thor to beat him 1v1, and his greatest feat which may not be canon as of yet but i am unsure because its in the future he saps mangog in order to boost himself to fight RKT
Lastly he can heal both himself and thor if they ever get wounded badly and he has done so in seconds mid combat
The last scan on the left was done in a volcano as well. I think J'ohn has them beat when it comes to healing.
@jashro44: hmm i concur MMH might take this but hes gonna have to work for it, the best shot of winning is molecular transmution however like you said MM has control over his body and can shapeshift so until loki does it someone like Apoc for example we can't tell if it will work. But yeah i didn't know he had that good of a healing factor thats impressive
I wouldnt really say odin was holding back he just kinda tried alot harder suppose that kinda means he was holding back but i feel it was the same way as thor holds back vs the hulk for example once he knows he has to up the power he can and odin wouldnt really have a reason to hold back vs a storm giant
Lol lot's of people are saying Thor and Loki yet despite Jash being in the minority, he is the only one providing a real argument in this thread.
I've always thought Jonn would be able to take Thor. Given the major speed advantage in Jonns department I see no way how the team would disband Jonn, unless Loki has some disingenuous plot.
Jonn should win from overwhelming speed and telepathic advantages, phasing and regeneration. Not to mention that orgasm of Martian Vision that disintegrates opponents.
I think MMH either gets overwhelmed, or realizes he's dealing with two credible threats and does what he has to to defeat them.
I think J'onzz has the potential to, but not with morals on.
Loki, just like Doom, is always a wild card with random feats, but MMH want to, he kills Loki.
John
J'onn stomps.Thor becomes J'onn's ally with little effort through TP and Loki gets stomped
@_kingoflatveria: lol.
@revan-: is that why you dropped out of that CAV?
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