@chaos-soul: I wasn't saying he was. I'm saying that just calling someone a "god" doesn't say anything about their power lvls. It bugs me when people think that and use it as an argument in a battle thread.
Edit: I mean how many times has being a god stopped Thor from being beaten from a non god being. Or Hercules? Ares? Wonder Girl?
Guys, listen...Martian Manhunter is being overrated on these forums I noticed. This is Thor we are talking about here, he is just going to keep swinging until Martian Manhunter is a greasy green smear on the ground. A martian can't match the strength of a God.
I don't see how Thor would know Manhunter's weakness to fire, its not as if he has telepathy or cosmic awareness. You could argue Thor could have gained some common knowledge whenever he crossed into DC verse but Manhunter is not super popular and his personality and character are not that well known on the DC streets. I don't think all people know his weakness, its not as if his face is on every news paper tv station like "Bank Robber defeats Superman with Kryptonite". Manhunter is meant to be mysterious, Thor would know very little about him IMO
He's also not supposed to be vulnerable to fire anymore
I don't see how Thor could ever hit someone with Telepathy, invisibility, superspeed, shapeshifting, and variable density.
Don't forget if Thor is lucky enough to get a hit off, MM has a powerful healing factory, He's can be torn to pieces and be unphased, when he was stuck in a deathtrap he severed his own arm and regrew himself from the arm.
when the justice league was afraid J'onn had gone bad who did they send?
" Guys, listen...Martian Manhunter is being overrated on these forums I noticed. This is Thor we are talking about here, he is just going to keep swinging until Martian Manhunter is a greasy green smear on the ground. A martian can't match the strength of a God. "
" Guys, listen...Martian Manhunter is being overrated on these forums I noticed. This is Thor we are talking about here, he is just going to keep swinging until Martian Manhunter is a greasy green smear on the ground. A martian can't match the strength of a God. "
Thor in a long drawn out battle. Thor would have to depend on his warrior prowess. But I think he would definitly find a way to handle the Man Hunter. Thor may even have to resort to using magic to win, but he will win.
Thor in a long drawn out battle. Thor would have to depend on his warrior prowess. But I think he would definitly find a way to handle the Man Hunter. Thor may even have to resort to using magic to win, but he will win.
I think a lot of things need to be addressed in this thread. First of all. Martians are much faster than Thor
White Martian Blitzes superman even though he say her from 200 miles away White Martian passing Flash White Martians blitzing Flash and Wonder Woman J'onn simultaneously destroying 3 facilities on 3 separate continents-- --while also blitzing at least 6 white martians across the globe
Second MM's telepathic strength is more than enough to conquer Thor's Mind Telepathically disables BA who has tremendous godly defense. BA is baarely able to say "Shazam" Utilizes telepathy on Spectre
Third MM is stronger than Thor Pulls the planet with wonder woman and superman Able to restrain multiple league members simultaneously, (Some of the strongest)
Fourth, MM is not vulnerable to heat. He has a psychological fear of fire, which he has overcome. And even when he hadn't he had been able to deal with fire producing opponents on multiple occasions Guardians created psychological fear of fire Revealing he has conquered his weakness
He also has incredible shape-shifting abilities, elasticity, variable size,variable density, invisibility, incredible regeneration, able to alter his body chemistry, heat vision, etc. At his disposal.
I forgot something else I needed to address:
@Alpha
said:
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Methos says:
"I actually know Thor pretty well, so tell me, how is he going to hit something that is intangible? M"
Goes both ways. What will he do while in that state? Its not like he's the Vision and disrupt your molecular structure.
"
Can go solid inside someone's body Can use heat vision while intangile
" I think a lot of things need to be addressed in this thread. First of all. Martians are much faster than Thor
White Martian Blitzes superman even though he say her from 200 miles away White Martian passing Flash White Martians blitzing Flash and Wonder Woman J'onn simultaneously destroying 3 facilities on 3 separate continents-- --while also blitzing at least 6 white martians across the globe
Second MM's telepathic strength is more than enough to conquer Thor's Mind Telepathically disables BA who has tremendous godly defense. BA is baarely able to say "Shazam" Utilizes telepathy on Spectre
Third MM is stronger than Thor Pulls the planet with wonder woman and superman Able to restrain multiple league members simultaneously, (Some of the strongest)
Fourth, MM is not vulnerable to heat. He has a psychological fear of fire, which he has overcome. And even when he hadn't he had been able to deal with fire producing opponents on multiple occasions Guardians created psychological fear of fire Revealing he has conquered his weakness
He also has incredible shape-shifting abilities, elasticity, variable size,variable density, invisibility, incredible regeneration, able to alter his body chemistry, heat vision, etc. At his disposal.
I forgot something else I needed to address: Can go solid inside someone's body Can use heat vision while intangile "
Holding back at bay the leaguers? Wasn't that the time his brother came back and he simply held them back for a moment? Thor manhandling and overpowering Silver Surfer with one hand, or taking on and beating all of the Infinity Watch including Drax empowered by the Power Gem is more impressive if I recall the circumstances of that issue correct. But's been a while. Got the issue number so I can re-read it?
How exactly does that scan of them pulling the planet prove in any way his stronger than Thor? He had help from both Wonder Woman and Superman to pull a planet, and on top of that Kyle Rayner was neutralizing all the gravitational effects of the feat was he not? That doesn't make it impressive at all, if he did.
Thor arm wrestling with Hercules and generating enough force to knock the planet out of orbit (Essentially moving the planet.), basically tops that.
If you want to go that route, here we have Eric Masterson and Dargo two beings that were granted the strength of Thor strike each other. The force of the blow is felt across all planes of reality, and apparently no event since that of the Big Bang has resulted with so much force (And to note, Thor has been shown to take things a step up than these two before as I recall, such as when he was beating around Eric Masterson.). http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos2.jpg
And here are some more of Thor's strength feats.
Here you have Thor shattering through reality and destroying a piece of reality. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality2.jpg
Here you have Thor resisting his own weight multiplied to infinity. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton2.jpg
Thor in a single hit breaks through Celestial Armor. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials1.jpg
In the last page, the Odin Destroyer was pounding on the Celestial with hits that would shatter planets, and it didn't even phase/scratch it. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg
Here you have Thor withstanding and literally overpowering the gravitational forces of a Neutron Star. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar2.jpg Neutron Star. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_Star
With a SINGLE throw, causes Galactus extreme pain, the first time he has felt pain in Eons. Galactus in the previous issue, took at point blank range, an attack from Ego that shattered multiple planets and was not even phased. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg
Here you have Thor one shotting a planet as a result of his blow hitting Bill. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet.jpg
Doesn't look big from that angle but that's only the art in that page. Here's how the planet looked the first time Thor and Bill fought on it. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet2.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet3.jpg
And here a piece of it that was floating around looked planetoid level big on it's own. It's on this same piece, that the entire Adam Warlock/Silver Surfer vs. Thor fight took place on. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight14.jpg
Hits with planet shattering force. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Aplanetbuster4.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Aplanetbuster5.jpg
His fists can wreck worlds and a punch from him and Hercules, sealed a hole in space/dimensions. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AplanetBuster3.jpg
Shakes Pluto's entire dimension with his blows against Ulik. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheNetherWorlds.jpg
His blows with the Destroyer, literally shake all of Asgard. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer31.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer32.jpg
Hits with such a force, a blow like it has never been struck in a thousand eternities. Mountains on even Asgard shake, and even the Starry heaveins shake. It was stated if they were on Asgard, it would have been turned into rubble etc. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheHeavens.jpg
Overpowers and supports the weight of the Midgard Serpent, which was crushing the Earth in it's grip. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent1.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent2.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent3.jpg
Easily crushes and breaks through Cosmic Barriers set up by a Silver Surfer significantly powered up by Silver Surfer as he states himself. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersNorrinBarrier1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersNorrinBarrier2.jpg
Shrugs off the weight of half the planet (The planet weights like 6.6 Sextillion tons I believe.). http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan3.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan4.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan5.jpg
Here you have Thor overpowering the World Engine (And turning back time, reversing the process of what it did from what I understand.) while weakened. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine1.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine2.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine3.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine4.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine5.jpg
This is perhaps Thor's greatest strength feat. The World Engine was literally powered by not only by a world ending Engine, but by Yggdrasil itself. That's what makes it so impressive. Yggrdasil is the Cosmic Axis. It literally connects all worlds and holds all of reality in place. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpg
Just messing with it, unleashes power that warps all of reality, across all planes. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree3.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree5.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree7.jpg
The thing easily depowered all the Asgardians including Odin and made them mortal as I recall. Uber. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree6.jpg
What's John done that tops that? Just wondering.
Oh and intangibility, doesn't mean Thor can't hurt him or anything. Thor's hit Loki when he turned into mist/intangible, and could also hit and down Vision while he was intangible as I recall. Just pointing that out. Thor can also turn beings intangible/invisible with Mjolnir as he did to the Black night. I mean what's going intangible going to do against someone who can drain and manipulate souls?
His telepathy would be his best bet. On average I think he can get some wins with telepathy. Unfortunately, Thor also has some impressive telepathic feats of himself. Resisting the Cosmic Being Stranger when he was seemingly omnipotent, while someone of Moondragon's caliber could not, is one. Based on that I don't think John is putting him down with telepathy. You also have Thor using telepathic feats of his own. It's not common knowledge but Thor has his own telepathic. Heck, he was communicating Odin from Earth even though Odin is dimensions away, penetrating Classic Dr. Strange's mind etc. On the other hand you have Moondragon controlling Thor, so it's not consistent. On average John could get some wins with it.
And the speed feats? I've never seen John use his speed as the White Martian's did but I might just be ignorant, so who knows.
The closest was the scans you posted of Martian Manhunter speed blitzing those towers. Impressive yes, but not really that impressive when you have Thor moving at interstellar speeds to the point he breaks through dimensional barriers (From Asgard to Earth.), WITHOUT Mjolnir and makes to Earth in only a few minutes tops. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlywithoutMjolnirinSpace.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlyWithoutMjolnirSpace2.jpg
Here makes it from Asgard to Earth in a single freaking panel. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlyWithoutMjolnirSpace2.jpg
That's ridiculous. Especially considering how far away Asgard has been stated to be (And that's one of the smaller descriptions of the distance between Asgard and Earth.). http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AsgardDistance1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AsgardDistance2.jpg
Anyways, neither Thor nor John fight that way. Thor also has nanosecond, split second and speed of thought reaction time. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsMicroSecond.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsSpeedofThought.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsSplitSecond.jpg
I've also seen Thor, instantly react, and reflect a telepathic blast from the Phoenix from behind. Seen that argued as a faster than light reaction time feat.
I've seen him easily catch dudes like a speeding Hermes, and stated to be faster than all Asgardians (Hermes and the God of Speed, where having an entire battle in less than a second. Hermes can traverse dimensions because his so fast back in the day as I recall.). So Thor is FAR from slow. My point? John is fast, but nothing Thor can't handle based on his feats.
And the scans of the White Martian running with Flash? They weren't going anywhere near light or any such impressive speed. Flash only started approaching light, and he overlapped him, and could have hit the Martian about 1000 times before he could blink. So clearly that Martian's fast, but not anywhere light speed fast based on that.
The other scan had them, blitzing Kyle (Human reaction time when not expecting it.), and the scan of Wonder Woman and the Flash? Wasn't it during the original invasion and didn't they get the drop on them? Just asking.
Not saying none of those feats are impressive or anything.
Anyways. John's best bet is telepathy. If that doesn't work, he gets put down by Thor. I mean I haven't even taken into account Thor's versatility and power like, matter manipulation and molecular transmutation, soul manipulation, energy manipulation, God Blast, Anti-Force, illusion creation and all the other tricks he can pull etc.
I won't be back on until the weekend, so don't expect a reply until then at the least. School's a b!@+ch but it's a necessity.
Very good post. You have my respect now. P.S. I've also remember that when Thor fights against Warlock and Surfer, Adam said that Thor is as fast as his thunders.
" I think a lot of things need to be addressed in this thread. First of all. Martians are much faster than Thor White Martian Blitzes superman even though he say her from 200 miles away White Martian passing Flash White Martians blitzing Flash and Wonder Woman J'onn simultaneously destroying 3 facilities on 3 separate continents-- --while also blitzing at least 6 white martians across the globe
Second MM's telepathic strength is more than enough to conquer Thor's Mind Telepathically disables BA who has tremendous godly defense. BA is baarely able to say "Shazam" Utilizes telepathy on Spectre
Third MM is stronger than Thor Pulls the planet with wonder woman and superman Able to restrain multiple league members simultaneously, (Some of the strongest)
Fourth, MM is not vulnerable to heat. He has a psychological fear of fire, which he has overcome. And even when he hadn't he had been able to deal with fire producing opponents on multiple occasions Guardians created psychological fear of fire Revealing he has conquered his weakness
He also has incredible shape-shifting abilities, elasticity, variable size,variable density, invisibility, incredible regeneration, able to alter his body chemistry, heat vision, etc. At his disposal.
I forgot something else I needed to address:
@Alpha
said:
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Methos says:
"I actually know Thor pretty well, so tell me, how is he going to hit something that is intangible? M"
Goes both ways. What will he do while in that state? Its not like he's the Vision and disrupt your molecular structure.
"
Can go solid inside someone's body Can use heat vision while intangile "
Excellent post. I don't know why people don't accept that J'onn is much stronger than Thor, but the most ridiculous thing is, that they don't accept, J'onn's faster reaction time and speed, wich is clearly on Superman's level. One on one, the Martian is a power to be reckoned with, using all of his abilities together, a case for him can even be made, against Skyfather level beings.
" I think a lot of things need to be addressed in this thread. First of all. Martians are much faster than Thor White Martian Blitzes superman even though he say her from 200 miles away White Martian passing Flash White Martians blitzing Flash and Wonder Woman J'onn simultaneously destroying 3 facilities on 3 separate continents-- --while also blitzing at least 6 white martians across the globe
Second MM's telepathic strength is more than enough to conquer Thor's Mind Telepathically disables BA who has tremendous godly defense. BA is baarely able to say "Shazam" Utilizes telepathy on Spectre
Third MM is stronger than Thor Pulls the planet with wonder woman and superman Able to restrain multiple league members simultaneously, (Some of the strongest)
Fourth, MM is not vulnerable to heat. He has a psychological fear of fire, which he has overcome. And even when he hadn't he had been able to deal with fire producing opponents on multiple occasions Guardians created psychological fear of fire Revealing he has conquered his weakness
He also has incredible shape-shifting abilities, elasticity, variable size,variable density, invisibility, incredible regeneration, able to alter his body chemistry, heat vision, etc. At his disposal.
I forgot something else I needed to address:
@Alpha
said:
"
Methos says:
"I actually know Thor pretty well, so tell me, how is he going to hit something that is intangible? M"
Goes both ways. What will he do while in that state? Its not like he's the Vision and disrupt your molecular structure.
"
Can go solid inside someone's body Can use heat vision while intangile"
Excellent post. I don't know why people don't accept that J'onn is much stronger than Thor, but the most ridiculous thing is, that they don't accept, J'onn's faster reaction time and speed, wich is clearly on Superman's level. One on one, the Martian is a power to be reckoned with, using all of his abilities together, a case for him can even be made, against Skyfather level beings. "
Whoaaa, that's a very big call! Sorry, don't see MM taking on let alone defeating any skyfathers lol
" I think a lot of things need to be addressed in this thread. First of all. Martians are much faster than Thor White Martian Blitzes superman even though he say her from 200 miles away White Martian passing Flash White Martians blitzing Flash and Wonder Woman J'onn simultaneously destroying 3 facilities on 3 separate continents-- --while also blitzing at least 6 white martians across the globe
Second MM's telepathic strength is more than enough to conquer Thor's Mind Telepathically disables BA who has tremendous godly defense. BA is baarely able to say "Shazam" Utilizes telepathy on Spectre
Third MM is stronger than Thor Pulls the planet with wonder woman and superman Able to restrain multiple league members simultaneously, (Some of the strongest)
Fourth, MM is not vulnerable to heat. He has a psychological fear of fire, which he has overcome. And even when he hadn't he had been able to deal with fire producing opponents on multiple occasions Guardians created psychological fear of fire Revealing he has conquered his weakness
He also has incredible shape-shifting abilities, elasticity, variable size,variable density, invisibility, incredible regeneration, able to alter his body chemistry, heat vision, etc. At his disposal.
I forgot something else I needed to address:
@Alpha
said:
"
Methos says:
"I actually know Thor pretty well, so tell me, how is he going to hit something that is intangible? M"
Goes both ways. What will he do while in that state? Its not like he's the Vision and disrupt your molecular structure.
"
Can go solid inside someone's body Can use heat vision while intangile"
Excellent post. I don't know why people don't accept that J'onn is much stronger than Thor, but the most ridiculous thing is, that they don't accept, J'onn's faster reaction time and speed, wich is clearly on Superman's level. One on one, the Martian is a power to be reckoned with, using all of his abilities together, a case for him can even be made, against Skyfather level beings. "
Whoaaa, that's a very big call! Sorry, don't see MM taking on let alone defeating any skyfathers lol "
When you add all of his abilities, a case can easily be made for him. Moving, reacting and attacking at lightspeed speeds, capable of attacking while intangible, Superman level strength, mental powers capable of stopping the Spectre, capable of controlling every single molecule on his body, Martian Vision, etc. Now let us use Odin for an example, Odin's base line strength is well below 100 tons, right? His reaction time, is well below that of J'onn, now of course, he has the Odin Force! and can augment his speed and strength, but that is the problem, he has to power up in order to defeat a being like the Martian, and would he have the time? I really don't know, could he stand up to thousands of Superman level punches, before powering up with the Odin Force?... maybe. The point is, a being with all of J'onn's power could easily be a problem, for a Skyfather, remember they have to concentrate and augment their powers for battle.
@Rage.Of.Olympus: Nice Reply, I think I will have to get back to you on strength, you've atleast shown me that Thor is much stronger than I previously thought he was.
Holding back at bay the leaguers? Wasn't that the time his brother came back and he simply held them back for a moment? Thor manhandling and overpowering Silver Surfer with one hand, or taking on and beating all of the Infinity Watch including Drax empowered by the Power Gem is more impressive if I recall the circumstances of that issue correct. But's been a while. Got the issue number so I can re-read it?
It is Martian Manhunter #8. Yes his brother, Ma'alefa'ak returns and tries to frame him for torturing Jemm and ruin his reputation. I don't know if you'd say he held them back for a moment but here's more of the fight that took place. The JLA think that J'onn is trying to kill them because "he" almost killed aquaman right before there eyes. J'onn doesn't want to hurt them
How exactly does that scan of them pulling the planet prove in any way his stronger than Thor? He had help from both Wonder Woman and Superman to pull a planet, and on top of that Kyle Rayner was neutralizing all the gravitational effects of the feat was he not? That doesn't make it impressive at all, if he did.
The planet pull happened in JLA 75, I don't think there was anything about Kyle neutralizing gravity in there. But it was kind of a confusing story so if you can point out where that's be helpful. You might be thinking of when superman wonder woman and GL were pulling the moon toward the earth and all the magic uses on earth were compensating for the effects of lunar gravity.
Thor arm wrestling with Hercules and generating enough force to knock the planet out of orbit (Essentially moving the planet.), basically tops that.
If you want to go that route, here we have Eric Masterson and Dargo two beings that were granted the strength of Thor strike each other. The force of the blow is felt across all planes of reality, and apparently no event since that of the Big Bang has resulted with so much force (And to note, Thor has been shown to take things a step up than these two before as I recall, such as when he was beating around Eric Masterson.). http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShatterCosmos2.jpg
And here are some more of Thor's strength feats.
Here you have Thor shattering through reality and destroying a piece of reality. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersReality2.jpg
Here you have Thor resisting his own weight multiplied to infinity. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ResistsGraviton2.jpg
Thor in a single hit breaks through Celestial Armor. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestials1.jpg
In the last page, the Odin Destroyer was pounding on the Celestial with hits that would shatter planets, and it didn't even phase/scratch it. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg
Here you have Thor withstanding and literally overpowering the gravitational forces of a Neutron Star. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WithstandsNeutronStar2.jpg Neutron Star. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutron_Star
With a SINGLE throw, causes Galactus extreme pain, the first time he has felt pain in Eons. Galactus in the previous issue, took at point blank range, an attack from Ego that shattered multiple planets and was not even phased. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsCelestial7.jpg
Here you have Thor one shotting a planet as a result of his blow hitting Bill. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet.jpg
Doesn't look big from that angle but that's only the art in that page. Here's how the planet looked the first time Thor and Bill fought on it. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet2.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/Shattersplanet3.jpg
And here a piece of it that was floating around looked planetoid level big on it's own. It's on this same piece, that the entire Adam Warlock/Silver Surfer vs. Thor fight took place on. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/ThorvsSilverSurfer2fight14.jpg
Hits with planet shattering force. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Aplanetbuster4.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Aplanetbuster5.jpg
His fists can wreck worlds and a punch from him and Hercules, sealed a hole in space/dimensions. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/AplanetBuster3.jpg
Shakes Pluto's entire dimension with his blows against Ulik. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheNetherWorlds.jpg
His blows with the Destroyer, literally shake all of Asgard. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer31.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsDestroyer32.jpg
Hits with such a force, a blow like it has never been struck in a thousand eternities. Mountains on even Asgard shake, and even the Starry heaveins shake. It was stated if they were on Asgard, it would have been turned into rubble etc. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShakestheHeavens.jpg
Overpowers and supports the weight of the Midgard Serpent, which was crushing the Earth in it's grip. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent1.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent2.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/MidgardSerpent3.jpg
Easily crushes and breaks through Cosmic Barriers set up by a Silver Surfer significantly powered up by Silver Surfer as he states himself. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersNorrinBarrier1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ShattersNorrinBarrier2.jpg
Shrugs off the weight of half the planet (The planet weights like 6.6 Sextillion tons I believe.). http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan3.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan4.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ThorvsGrowingMan5.jpg
Here you have Thor overpowering the World Engine (And turning back time, reversing the process of what it did from what I understand.) while weakened. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine1.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine2.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine3.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine4.jpg http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/Thorworldengine5.jpg
This is perhaps Thor's greatest strength feat. The World Engine was literally powered by not only by a world ending Engine, but by Yggdrasil itself. That's what makes it so impressive. Yggrdasil is the Cosmic Axis. It literally connects all worlds and holds all of reality in place. http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/RagnarokThor73.jpg
Just messing with it, unleashes power that warps all of reality, across all planes. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree3.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree5.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree7.jpg
The thing easily depowered all the Asgardians including Odin and made them mortal as I recall. Uber. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/WorldTree6.jpg
What's John done that tops that? Just wondering.
Oh and intangibility, doesn't mean Thor can't hurt him or anything. Thor's hit Loki when he turned into mist/intangible, and could also hit and down Vision while he was intangible as I recall. Just pointing that out. Thor can also turn beings intangible/invisible with Mjolnir as he did to the Black night. I mean what's going intangible going to do against someone who can drain and manipulate souls?
First, intangability and gaseous form is very different. If you could show me when he attacked Vision while intangible that would be great. And with the soul thing, that looked very tiring and slow, don't think he'd be able to pull it off.
His telepathy would be his best bet. On average I think he can get some wins with telepathy. Unfortunately, Thor also has some impressive telepathic feats of himself. Resisting the Cosmic Being Stranger when he was seemingly omnipotent, while someone of Moondragon's caliber could not, is one. Based on that I don't think John is putting him down with telepathy. You also have Thor using telepathic feats of his own. It's not common knowledge but Thor has his own telepathic. Heck, he was communicating Odin from Earth even though Odin is dimensions away, penetrating Classic Dr. Strange's mind etc. On the other hand you have Moondragon controlling Thor, so it's not consistent. On average John could get some wins with it.
OK, but just because, can I see some of those?
And the speed feats? I've never seen John use his speed as the White Martian's did but I might just be ignorant, so who knows.
Well their speed is characteristic of their race, but I did show a scan of MM blitzing the 3 towers AND 6 white martians before they could react.
The closest was the scans you posted of Martian Manhunter speed blitzing those towers. Impressive yes, but not really that impressive when you have Thor moving at interstellar speeds to the point he breaks through dimensional barriers (From Asgard to Earth.), WITHOUT Mjolnir and makes to Earth in only a few minutes tops. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlywithoutMjolnirinSpace.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlyWithoutMjolnirSpace2.jpg
Here makes it from Asgard to Earth in a single freaking panel. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/FlyWithoutMjolnirSpace2.jpg
That's ridiculous. Especially considering how far away Asgard has been stated to be (And that's one of the smaller descriptions of the distance between Asgard and Earth.). http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AsgardDistance1.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/AsgardDistance2.jpg
Not sure how you got a couple minutes... of course it was one panel they're not gonna show a bunch of panels of him flying with an unconscious woman. Nothing is happening. Anyway I'm not really sure if he is flying the whole distance physically. Also flight speed and combat speed are different, In the scan you see that J'onn flies across the globe in a flurry of fists knocking out the martians and the towers.
Anyways, neither Thor nor John fight that way. Thor also has nanosecond, split second and speed of thought reaction time. http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsMicroSecond.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsSpeedofThought.jpg http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/af17/RageOfOlympus/Thor/ReactsSplitSecond.jpg
Also not all that impressive. A split second refers to a fraction of a second, which isn't all that impressive. J'onn is able to bring the justice league into his head and hold a conference in an instant. So Thor's reaction would still seem slow. Mid conference "eyeblink"
I've also seen Thor, instantly react, and reflect a telepathic blast from the Phoenix from behind. Seen that argued as a faster than light reaction time feat.
How? I mean how is it speed of like.
I've seen him easily catch dudes like a speeding Hermes, and stated to be faster than all Asgardians (Hermes and the God of Speed, where having an entire battle in less than a second. Hermes can traverse dimensions because his so fast back in the day as I recall.). So Thor is FAR from slow. My point? John is fast, but nothing Thor can't handle based on his feats.
By far the best example, can I see it?
And the scans of the White Martian running with Flash? They weren't going anywhere near light or any such impressive speed. Flash only started approaching light, and he overlapped him, and could have hit the Martian about 1000 times before he could blink. So clearly that Martian's fast, but not anywhere light speed fast based on that.
You mean he wasn't traveling anywhere near lightspeed at the time, it doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't capable of it, Flash did it first. Flash even says that he thinks the Martian is faster. I don't believe that, but it was only meant to show that the Martian is fast. Here's the rest of it I was the fastest man alive until he touched down Notice he's capable of a lot more than just running at this speed, he's making flash see multiples Flash, infinite mass punch
The other scan had them, blitzing Kyle (Human reaction time when not expecting it.), and the scan of Wonder Woman and the Flash? Wasn't it during the original invasion and didn't they get the drop on them? Just asking.
Nok, they were expecting it, in fact they had been previously shooting at them Haha you made me show a scan I don't like showing and have never posted, it's one of the 2 examples I know of where a martian is attacked while intangible And yes Kyle's reaction is human, that's why I didn't mention him I mentioned Flash and Wonderwoman
Not saying none of those feats are impressive or anything.
And don't forget the Martian blitzing Superman from 200 miles away before he could even react, despite hims seeing them coming
Anyways. John's best bet is telepathy. If that doesn't work, he gets put down by Thor. I mean I haven't even taken into account Thor's versatility and power like, matter manipulation and molecular transmutation, soul manipulation, energy manipulation, God Blast, Anti-Force, illusion creation and all the other tricks he can pull etc.
I won't be back on until the weekend, so don't expect a reply until then at the least. School's a b!@+ch but it's a necessity
. There are also a lot of things I haven't taken into account. How would Thor do against an opponent with 8 elastic arms who is invisible and moving much faster than he is and is making his fist super dense right before he punches him and if Thor manages to touch him makes himself intangible momentarily. Or let's assume Thor is somewhat stronger than him, he could go Atom Smasher style which would theoretically make him much stronger than Thor.
But really All I think he needs to do conquer his mind through telepathy, He has enough powers to easily not get hit if Thor puts up a struggle.
Just BTW I'm never arguing in character or anything like that. I like to think about who wins using the full extent of their abilities.
I don't see this battle ending in anything but a stalemate. People say that Martian Manhunter will use his mental powers on Thor, but people seem to forget that Thor has mental resistance (scans posted upon request).
Thor's immortal mind is equally durable and while not immune, he is highly resistant to mental tampering. Here, he resists the Mind Thrust attack of the Rigellians in Thor Annual #4: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...se01Annual4.jpg
Thor is also the first Avenger to realize Morgana's warping of the world using her magic, the Scarlet Witch's power and the Twilight Sword and then resist her domination over his mind, in Avengers vol. 3 #2: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/...vengersv202.jpg
" @The Last Son Of Krypton: Wasn't he weakened after the remainder of the Odin Force was used to fix his hammer? "
Are you talking about this scene? I mean, I guess. I understand what you are getting at, but is he really "weak"? I would say he is depowered, but he's not "weak".
@The Last Son Of Krypton: All I said was that he may be weaker than he was originally portrayed in the scans that the other guy posted, because of what was required to fix his hammer. Being depowered would mean that his powers are completely gone. Not the same thing.
@Static Shock said: I guess. I mean, if he is in fact weaker to the point that he can't last against Martian Manhunter, than Martian Manhunter will win. I think we need more time to see what Thor is capable of in his weakened state. But, I do wonder. Has Martian Manhunter ever been weakened? Because if both Martian Manhunter and Thor have been weakened, then the battle might be even. If he has not, then Martian Manhunter should win. But like I said, I think we need more time to see what Thor is capable of. One thing I can say, is that Thor is definitely not slower in combat speed and reflexes. In Avengers 1 written by Bendis, the moment Kang appeared, Thor blasted him.
@The Last Son Of Krypton: Martian Manhunter was, and still is, as strong as Superman. It was confirmed in a Blackest Night tie-in.
Anyway, looking at it more closely, I think that without the Odin Force, Thor is weaker and back at his normal levels. With that said, all of the scans that Rage.Of.Olympus. posted would still be canon. However, some people might think that they are invalid because they are old.
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