Can Martian Manhunter take out these Lady Teen Titans? (Wonder Girl as in Cassie Sandsmark)
Who would win with morals on?
Who would win with morals off?
Win: Death or KO
Martian Manhunter vs Raven, Starfire, & Wonder Girl
@Iamlovewithin500 said:
Her Empathy was powerful enough to take on Orion
Orion has no mental defenses to speak of.
she's defeated her Father Trigon many times,and he's very powerful
With a plot device like the souls of Azar. A plot device not available here or in any other fight with Raven.
Again all those feats are nice, and they show how strong MM's will is and how powerful his TP,but again it's not always about power,but skill..which Raven's has plenty of to counteract .I still don't see why you are saying false, because I never presented my claims as pure fact,just an opinion.
And yet, you have posted zero feats from Raven on the Martian's level.
Yet you have yet to prove that is fact that Mm's TP could overwhelm raven..why because they haven't interfaced or fought before,and TP is different from EP.
Mageddon used a combination of TP and EP and J'onn resisted its control and broke through its psychic defenses to reach Superman.
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Mageddon could mindrape entire planets from a solar system away. What can Raven do again?
J'onn has resisted the telepathy of NINE White Martians whose telepathic reach could extend across light years.
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How many times has Raven done something like that? Zero?
J'onn fought D'Kay D'Razz, a telepath so powerful she could scan billions of minds without even meaning to, and blasted her with the collective emotions of every single peson on Earth.
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How many times has Raven fought or resisted a telepath on that level, or done anything like that? Zero?
Reading the mind of Dr. Destiny:
Dr. Destiny was powerful enough to warp reality on a global scale, so I'm gonna go ahead and say scanning his mind is a better feat than whatever feat Raven has done.
So you mean to tell me that I'm talking out my ass,but yet you're acting like one when you take Raven's prowess lightly without knowing whats she's capable .So i guess it goes both ways...
It really doesn't.
She Beat her entire team consisting of Donna Troy, Starfire, Superboy I believe(?) and those are some of the TT's biggest heavy hitters.
All of whom are complete weaklings compared to the heavy hitters of the League that J'onn has defeated.
she also affected Black Adam with her Soul Self before,but I believe in the long run he shattered it some kind of way ,can't remember how.
And J'onn has also fought Black Adam, who fought him off once by catching him off-guard, and then their second encounter went like this:
J'onn rewired the Joker's brain to make him temporarily sane.
How did Raven fare against the Joker? Oh yeah:
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He's F*cking Kryptonian,So that's sill impressive considering how powerful he is,and the older he gets the stronger he'll become.
Superboy is half Kryptonian, and whatever he'll become when he's older is irrelevant. He still wrecked the Titans by himself, and at that point of time (or any point of time, for that matter) he was nowhere near the Martian's level.
Looks like I hit a nerve...Yu mad bro?
I know enough about MM..don't you worry.
Don't flatter yourself, this travesty of an argument is hardly a source of ire.
@Iamlovewithin500:
Still more powerful than MM
Nonsense. In his 90's series J'onn was fighting off Orion and the rest of the League at the same time. Once again, stop talking out of your ass about characters you clearly know nothing about.
She managed to contain Darkseid before too.
Darkseid was depowered IIRC, and it was a different version of Raven (her gold spirit form) so this would once more fall into the category of talking out of your ass.
.Not only that but she can teleport, BFR to other dimensions, she can defensively absorb items,blast of energy such as MM Martian vision.
Yawn, things that are all either useless or not done in character.
She can also snatch emotions away or make people or make them "emotionally numb".So you show me MM resisting Empathy like that,and NOT TP...Until you give me proof of him being able to do that then has no defense agaisnt emotional tampering.
I already did. You refuse to see it. Mageddon most definitely used EP as well. J'onn resisted. Show me ONE feat from Raven on Mageddon's level.
That was just Telepathy.. -_______-
Not really. Mageddon was inciting rage and fear through the Earth by its mere presence, that is EP.
That's because J'onn was reprogramming his brain,he didn't go into his deepest darkest parts like Rae did,and again the affects on her were different because she was emotionally liked to him,not telepathically.While similar ..its still isn't the same. they weren't going for the same effect.
Bringing nightmares to life>>>>> Rewiring his brain= different
BTW a good ol PIS scan,when Raven's dealt with more powerful opponents with more intense feelings.That shouldn't have taken her down like that.
I could point out how all of this is mostly just speculation, but I don't have to, it's more interesting that you haven't posted a single feat from Raven on Martian Manhunter's level, not one. Where is the proof that she can resist a telepath on this scale?
Still has the pontential to become more powerful than MM. Yes he isn't nowhere near MM's level,but the combined might of him and several other members would be close.
BS.
Don't try to blow it off now,You seemed a bit upset there...smh
It's okay though, don't let lil ol me get under your skin. =P
but whatever,I'll have some scans up in a bit.
Whatever floats your boat.
I didn't say your name was.I was being nice more so than formal...but hey It's whatever.@Iamlovewithin500: My name isn't honey.
Raven simply doesn't have the feats to show she can compete with J'onn. He has mind controlled the entire earth before, she doesn't have anything on that level.
She is versatile, and I think she is fairly powerful. But she just doesn't have enough feats on Manhunters level.
I don't know about everyone else, but I see where you are coming from. And I think if her feats were on his level you might have a point, without speed.
But she just operates on a lower tier.
You are correct Raven's versatile and she is powerful,but she has the powerset to contend. I just don't see this fight as one sided as people say it is (besides speed)
I'm just sayin...
Maybe i'm playing Devil's Advocate...but I believe Raven has the potential.
Feats
Defeating GL and her Soul Self blitzing the JL
Defecting an energy blast with her Soul Self.
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