Martian Manhunter is a jack of all trades but master of none. Professor Xavier can have him in the fetal position again pretty quickly if someone with low level telepathy like Black Adam was able to.
@baltoro: That's lowballing Pre 52 J'onzz. Anyways this is current versions
I might have been lowballing him a little unintentionally, but it is still relevant to the thread. He underperformed against Black Adam in a telepathic battle but he did redeem himself at the end of the comic so no worries. I guess he can put up an okay fight against Professor X, but if Professor X is in his Cerebro this is a stomp.
@baltoro: That wasn't him using TP, it was J'onn trying to invade his mind and being overcome by Adam's grief and sorrow, as well as Adam's general strength of will. Quite honestly, MMH has better feats pre-52 that X has, AFAIK. MMH has accessed the minds of everyone on the planet, and morals off he's essentially fernus.
Regardless, none of that matters because of the reboot.
@baltoro: Black Adam has very great TP resistance but still low balling considering J'onzz has resisted TP from Telepath who can operate on a planetary scale easily like against Mageddon. J'onzz would beat Professor Xavier(assuming it's Pre 52)in a TP battle
@baltoro: That wasn't him using TP, it was J'onn trying to invade his mind and being overcome by Adam's grief and sorrow, as well as Adam's general strength of will. Quite honestly, MMH has better feats pre-52 that X has, AFAIK. MMH has accessed the minds of everyone on the planet, and morals off he's essentially fernus.
Regardless, none of that matters because of the reboot.
Scott killed Professor X. I forgot how exactly. But that's pretty pathetic regardless of the situation and shows that Professor X is nothing but a powerful telepath. Manhunter has more than just TP. he can use his martian vision to take out Xavier.
@baltoro: That's lowballing Pre 52 J'onzz. Anyways this is current versions
I might have been lowballing him a little unintentionally, but it is still relevant to the thread. He underperformed against Black Adam in a telepathic battle but he did redeem himself at the end of the comic so no worries. I guess he can put up an okay fight against Professor X, but if Professor X is in his Cerebro this is a stomp.
@baltoro: That's lowballing Pre 52 J'onzz. Anyways this is current versions
I might have been lowballing him a little unintentionally, but it is still relevant to the thread. He underperformed against Black Adam in a telepathic battle but he did redeem himself at the end of the comic so no worries. I guess he can put up an okay fight against Professor X, but if Professor X is in his Cerebro this is a stomp.
J'onn by far. Shame how much CV lowballs him. J'onn has A LOT more feats in the New 52 between Stormwatch and JL etc So to say he just beat Despero is wrong. He's done a lot more then that.
Scott killed Professor X. I forgot how exactly. But that's pretty pathetic regardless of the situation and shows that Professor X is nothing but a powerful telepath. Manhunter has more than just TP. he can use his martian vision to take out Xavier.
scott didnt kill him that is a lie,the phoenix is the one that killed xavier.
How much did Phoenix care if Prof X told Scott he was a bad boy and needed to stop?
Scott with the (full) Phoenix Force (after taking it from Emma). As opposed to Jean, who helped him stop the Phoenix.
not much,but it cares that prof x was trying to shut scott's brains while the avengers kill him.
which is why scott kept begging and warning prof x to stop.if any one killed prof x its tony stark and steven rogers.
Scott with the (full) Phoenix Force (after taking it from Emma). As opposed to Jean, who helped him stop the Phoenix.
not sure what that means.
For the first part, Jean Grey, with the full Phoenix Force, helped the Professor shut down the Dark Phoenix from within.
Scott, with half the Phoenix Force was inadequate to fight Professor X. (The point of this thread.) This puts Xaviers power (which is only Telepathy) as near that of Captain Britian in full Defender of the Multiverse mode.
@baltoro: That wasn't him using TP, it was J'onn trying to invade his mind and being overcome by Adam's grief and sorrow, as well as Adam's general strength of will. Quite honestly, MMH has better feats pre-52 that X has, AFAIK. MMH has accessed the minds of everyone on the planet, and morals off he's essentially fernus.
Regardless, none of that matters because of the reboot.
@baltoro: Black Adam has very great TP resistance but still low balling considering J'onzz has resisted TP from Telepath who can operate on a planetary scale easily like against Mageddon. J'onzz would beat Professor Xavier(assuming it's Pre 52)in a TP battle
Okay guys, it seems some people don't think the fetal position scan is relevant. That's fine, we have a little disagreement...I wasn't lowballing him though, it was just him having trouble with grim subject matter such as murder. The Manhunter has trouble dealing with the human condition. Charles Xavier would be able to project much worse atrocities into J'onnz's head and cause the same effect. He's lived through concentration camps where mutants were put to death like animals. He's going to bring all that into the fight against J'onnz.
Does Xavier get Cerebro or not? I'd say he takes it easily with Cerebro but it is around 50/50 without it. It really depends which Martian Manhunter shows up to the fight.
@baltoro: What we're saying is that the scan is irrelevant because it's not the same character. The Flashpoint has created a new entirely different timeline of characters with different back stories and powers. The J'onn in your scan is a completely different J'onn than the one in this thread. That's why it's irrelevant and we're not counter posting scans. It's not the same character.
I don't know that I can say J'onzz is a more powerful telepath as Xavier, but he is every bit as talented.
His first TP fight in his own series by Ostrander shows him dueling with Bette Noir, a being of pure psionic energy. Notice the game of telepathic cat and mouse they play with one another before J'onn finally gains the mastery of her:
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Below, at the end of that same series, Bette Noir sets a recurring telepathic loop in J'onn's mind, causing him to relieve all his worst memories. Dude recognizes he's in a telepathic loop, shuts that part of his mind down and then conveys it to the real bad guy in that book, thereby freeing himself from said loop:
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From JLA, he actually temporarily cures the Joker's insanity:
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Shields the JLA telepathically from Manchester Black when the s(*@! hits the fan between the Elite and the JLA
So is J'onn more powerful a telepath than Xavier? Pff, you tell me.
Is he as talented. My guess is yes. I literally have a folder full of his telepathic feats. J'onn is a powerhouse telepath. Thank goodness for Xavier this is only a contest of minds.
People tend to forget three things, when setting up this particular fight.
1. Telepathy is less useful against shapeshifters(as stated by Xavier himself)
2. J'onn is a martian(duh), and in his base form, has a brain(and mind) that is completely different than that of a human, which is another disadvantage(albeit a smaller one) for Xavier.
And most importantly 3. J'onn's mind is capable of working at close to light-speed, if not FTL. Which gives him a huge advantage against Xavier in a telepathic fight.
With Pre-flashpoint J'onn, it would be a huge stomp, and even New-52 J'onn has this with relative ease.
@baltoro: That's lowballing Pre 52 J'onzz. Anyways this is current versions
I might have been lowballing him a little unintentionally, but it is still relevant to the thread. He underperformed against Black Adam in a telepathic battle but he did redeem himself at the end of the comic so no worries. I guess he can put up an okay fight against Professor X, but if Professor X is in his Cerebro this is a stomp.
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