Martian Manhunter Vs Piccolo

Who do you think would win if these two extraterrestrial powerhouses ever ended on opposing teams?

I've always had a lot of respect for the two titled characters, and I was wondering what other like minded people might think.

I'll go with Piccolo

Reasons?

Why make this thread when everyone knows who's gonna win.

Piccolo win.

"Reasons?"

Piccolo is a beast when it comes to fighting and hes powerful. However, why would it be such an obvious victory?

well if you're talking about piccolo beyond the namek saga then of course he wins, but if he's around dragonball (not dragonball z) then martian man hunter may win

Because your putting a dbz character, a world shatter powerhouse against a martian who isn't even on the level of supes. This is a one sided fight.

mostly

Actually MM  powers are virtually on par with SM. According to this source:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martian_Manhunter#Powers_and_abilities

Don't you think MM's mind reading abilities could even the playing field? He's able to phase through just about anything, he has strength and speed that rival Kryptonians, and shapeshifting and regenerative abilities that surpass Piccolo's own. I think he's at least a formidable adversary. Wouldn't you agree?

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Don't you think MM's mind reading abilities could even the playing field? He's able to phase through just about anything, he has strength and speed that rival Kryptonians, and shapeshifting and regenerative abilities that surpass Piccolo's own. I think he's at least a formidable adversary. Wouldn't you agree?

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Piccolo wins this for me.

Picolo, he wiould either overpower him or slitz him. But it woul;d be a better match if this is the Picolo that fought Goku when he was teenager.

"Because your putting a dbz character, a world shatter powerhouse against a martian who isn't even on the level of supes. This is a one sided fight.
"

cough

Actually he can beat Supes easily. But he still loses in this match though.

Then why the hell are there so many goku vs supes threads?! If Piccolo could beat manhunter then shouldn't goku be able to beat Supes easily?! Whats up with this paradox!

"Then why the hell are there so many goku vs supes threads?! If Piccolo could beat manhunter then shouldn't goku be able to beat Supes easily?! Whats up with this paradox!
"

"Hedatary said:

"Then why the hell are there so many goku vs supes threads?! If Piccolo could beat manhunter then shouldn't goku be able to beat Supes easily?! Whats up with this paradox!
"

anime fanboys"

"T.J. Magnum said:

"Hedatary said:

"Then why the hell are there so many goku vs supes threads?! If Piccolo could beat manhunter then shouldn't goku be able to beat Supes easily?! Whats up with this paradox!
"

anime fanboys"

Actually both DC and ANIME FANBOYS have been posting stuff like this for awhile."

"Lantern Prime said:

"T.J. Magnum said:

"Hedatary said:

"Then why the hell are there so many goku vs supes threads?! If Piccolo could beat manhunter then shouldn't goku be able to beat Supes easily?! Whats up with this paradox!
"

anime fanboys"

Actually both DC and ANIME FANBOYS have been posting stuff like this for awhile."

well it's time to stop."

"T.J. Magnum said:

"Lantern Prime said:

"T.J. Magnum said:

"Hedatary said:

"Then why the hell are there so many goku vs supes threads?! If Piccolo could beat manhunter then shouldn't goku be able to beat Supes easily?! Whats up with this paradox!
"

anime fanboys"

Actually both DC and ANIME FANBOYS have been posting stuff like this for awhile."

well it's time to stop."

Yeah, neither side is gonna be move to the other side. "

Whenever I see a DBZ thread storm clouds pop into my head.  

"T.J. Magnum said:

"Lantern Prime said:

"T.J. Magnum said:

"Hedatary said:

"Then why the hell are there so many goku vs supes threads?! If Piccolo could beat manhunter then shouldn't goku be able to beat Supes easily?! Whats up with this paradox!
"

anime fanboys"

Actually both DC and ANIME FANBOYS have been posting stuff like this for awhile."

well it's time to stop."

Yeah, neither side is gonna be move to the other side. "

Thats a pretty stupid reason. Please don't start that universe theory again. Please

"Omega-level Supreme said:

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Don't you think MM's mind reading abilities could even the playing field? He's able to phase through just about anything, he has strength and speed that rival Kryptonians, and shapeshifting and regenerative abilities that surpass Piccolo's own. I think he's at least a formidable adversary. Wouldn't you agree?

"

Agreed.... However, it all depends on which Piccolo though. Martian hunter is probably in par with Nail Piccolo during the Frieza saga and Android saga.

But Kami Piccolo might be too powerful for Martian Hunter.


Here's some lesser known abilities Piccolo can do if you guys ever read the manga or watch the series. You know he can do these things.

Telekinesis abilities
Reality Warping Manipulation
Has the ability to see everything that happens on Earth in real-time
Has the ability to see in the future
Magic

.


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"Perfect Cell said:

"Omega-level Supreme said:

"

Don't you think MM's mind reading abilities could even the playing field? He's able to phase through just about anything, he has strength and speed that rival Kryptonians, and shapeshifting and regenerative abilities that surpass Piccolo's own. I think he's at least a formidable adversary. Wouldn't you agree?

"

Agreed.... However, it all depends on which Piccolo though. Martian hunter is probably in par with Nail Piccolo during the Frieza saga and Android saga.

But Kami Piccolo might be too powerful for Martian Hunter.


Here's some lesser known abilities Piccolo can do if you guys ever read the manga or watch the series. You know he can do these things.

Telekinesis abilities
Reality Warping Manipulation
Has the ability to see everything that happens on Earth in real-time
Has the ability to see in the future
Magic

.


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What  ? Piccalo is a Reality Warper  ?
"

"King Saturn said:

"Perfect Cell said:

"Omega-level Supreme said:

"

Don't you think MM's mind reading abilities could even the playing field? He's able to phase through just about anything, he has strength and speed that rival Kryptonians, and shapeshifting and regenerative abilities that surpass Piccolo's own. I think he's at least a formidable adversary. Wouldn't you agree?

"

Agreed.... However, it all depends on which Piccolo though. Martian hunter is probably in par with Nail Piccolo during the Frieza saga and Android saga.

But Kami Piccolo might be too powerful for Martian Hunter.


Here's some lesser known abilities Piccolo can do if you guys ever read the manga or watch the series. You know he can do these things.

Telekinesis abilities
Reality Warping Manipulation
Has the ability to see everything that happens on Earth in real-time
Has the ability to see in the future
Magic

.


"

What  ? Piccalo is a Reality Warper  ?
"

Dont mind him he is smoking I dont think anyone was a reality warper in dbz.  Probably janemba but no one else."

well piccolo wins lets end it there

mmhm Pic warped gohans clothes remember

I've always liked the namekean.

"Omega-level Supreme said:

"

Don't you think MM's mind reading abilities could even the playing field? He's able to phase through just about anything, he has strength and speed that rival Kryptonians, and shapeshifting and regenerative abilities that surpass Piccolo's own. I think he's at least a formidable adversary. Wouldn't you agree?

"

Agreed.... However, it all depends on which Piccolo though. Martian hunter is probably in par with Nail Piccolo during the Frieza saga and Android saga.

But Kami Piccolo might be too powerful for Martian Hunter.


Here's some lesser known abilities Piccolo can do if you guys ever read the manga or watch the series. You know he can do these things.

Telekinesis abilities
Reality Warping Manipulation
Has the ability to see everything that happens on Earth in real-time
Has the ability to see in the future
Magic



Some more of the more known abilities:

Healing Factor & Regeneration
Extraordinary Superhuman Strength
Can control, create, and manipulate Chi (power within) & Kai (power channel from out source) or any other form of energy
His power level allows him to gather or generate and store that power without being killed by that power
He has virtually impenetrable skin
He can stretch his limbs pretty far
can split into multiples (magic)
or
can use speed to create multiples
He has super speed, able to move his limbs at lightspeed.



Now about his speed.... I don't know if you guys know this; but you know that white cape and turban Piccolo wears? The cape weights like 30 tons, while the hat weights like 10 tons.



I think Piccolo can grow really big; just like Lord Slug... But i'm not really sure. Lord Slug was an ancient Namek, but then again.... So is Piccolo.


Piccolo is pretty wise, and probably perhaps the smartest Z-Fighter of all. So he's not just going to  use all his finishing moves like Cherry Bomb,  Destruction Wave, Kisenko, and Special Beam Cannon. They take  awhile to charge; so he'll only use it after his opponents are at a weakened position.

I would say the best moves would be the scatter shots or homing blast. It's pretty cool to that Piccolo can create energy mind-fields and whatnot. He's pretty creative when it comes to manipulating his powers.

"Perfect Cell said:

"Omega-level Supreme said:

"

Don't you think MM's mind reading abilities could even the playing field? He's able to phase through just about anything, he has strength and speed that rival Kryptonians, and shapeshifting and regenerative abilities that surpass Piccolo's own. I think he's at least a formidable adversary. Wouldn't you agree?

"

Agreed.... However, it all depends on which Piccolo though. Martian hunter is probably in par with Nail Piccolo during the Frieza saga and Android saga.

But Kami Piccolo might be too powerful for Martian Hunter.


Here's some lesser known abilities Piccolo can do if you guys ever read the manga or watch the series. You know he can do these things.

Telekinesis abilities
Reality Warping Manipulation
Has the ability to see everything that happens on Earth in real-time
Has the ability to see in the future
Magic



Some more of the more known abilities:

Healing Factor & Regeneration
Extraordinary Superhuman Strength
Can control, create, and manipulate Chi (power within) & Kai (power channel from out source) or any other form of energy
His power level allows him to gather or generate and store that power without being killed by that power
He has virtually impenetrable skin
He can stretch his limbs pretty far
can split into multiples (magic)
or
can use speed to create multiples
He has super speed, able to move his limbs at lightspeed.

Yes, piccolo has TK abilities on a very large scale. He was able to lift (I think) 2-3 pyramids simultaneously. I do not recall a time when he demonstrated TK in a fight, however.

Reality manipulation? No, Franklin Richards has RM abilities. Piccolo can transubstantiate materials, and materialize some objects. That's the power to transmute and matterialization, not reality manipulation. Don't see it being very effective in this fight. Especially not on the level he has displayed.
I wasn't aware he has 'tele-vision'... excuss me clairvoyance. I knew he could hear at superhuman distances though. Please provide an example to prove this feat. Thank you.
Magic is abundant in the Z Universe. It is also abundant in the DC Universe, an often delt with by high tier League members like Jon.
His healing factor and regeneration,  are very impressive. I would say it's a draw.
He does exhibit varying degrees of superhuman strength. MM consistantly exhibits Kryptonian level super strength.
Although he's manifest awesome feats with his Chi/Kai, it (chj/kai) is to obscure to categorize. Is it magical in nature? Is it something like the Power Cosmic? Or is it like teleplasm, the medium in which psionic powers are transmitted? Please try to answer this.
I do not think Piccolo skin is even semi-virtually impenetrable (if that makes sense). MM is practically invulnerable himself, however.
As I note before his shapeshifting pales in comparison to that of MM.
Clone and after image generation. These, as you know, can be a bonus or a detriment.
I concur he does possess the skill at super speeds. How fast he is, is arguable. MM also possesses super speed.
The weight of his attire is impressive. Apparently weighted clothes can increase ones agility and speed in the Z Universe. Not really anywhere else, but hey I'm not picky.
Piccolo Daimao was able to grow to colossal heights, there is no reason Piccolo Jr., virtually the formers reincarnate, can't do the same. MM can size-shift aswell. There is no advantages here.
Ma Jr. (Piccolo) may be the most wise and smartest of the Z fighter.  However,  power wise he is shadowed later in DBZ storyline. Which shows brains can't guarantee anyone victory. MM is NO SLOUCH when it comes to acumen neither. Bruce Wayne once compared MM to himself saying, "in many ways, Martian Manhunter is like an amalgam of Superman and himself." Source Wikipedia.org
Ma Jr. does have an advantage in the area of blast power.  While MM is only able to fend agaisn't ranged attacks with Martian Vision optic blast. They are powerful and precise I must add.
Ma has the upper hand in the field of Martial Arts mastery.
MM has several overlooked advantages, invisibility, intangibility and as I said before TELEPATHY. Which gives him the ability to predict what Ma is going to do (in theory) before Ma has decided to do anything.
Does anyone want to reconsider there position now?

*Note: capitalized words used to emphasize."

You might want to skip from 34 sec to the 4th minute... That is; unless you want to see the whole thing.

"Nice rebut, but I have to ask...

"Cosmic or Teleplasm are a part of this power."

What do you mean by a part? Why isn't magic 'a part of this power'? What are the full applications of Chi, Kai, or POWER LEVEL? How does it effect , in your opinion, the outcome of this match?

Here is a definition of chi from Wikipedia.org:

In traditional , qi (; qi, ch'ihei; ki; gi; pronounced :  in ) is an active principle forming part of any living thing.

It is *requently translated as "energy flow", and is often compared to Western notions of or (). The literal translation is "air", "breath", or "gas" (compare the original meaning of Latin "breathing").

Frequently does not mean accurately.


"The only things that can pierce him are people whom are stronger than him."

I'll have to disagree with this stament. Based on the fact that he was penetrated by an imperfect Cell when the two first met. It has been established in anime and canon alike that Piccolo was more powerful/stronger than Cell on this event.

From http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Piccolo

Piccolo Jr. rushes to Ginger Town, the location of this murderous new enemy. The bug-like creature claims that he is Piccolo Jr.'s "brother", and the two engage in battle. Piccolo Jr. seems to have the upper hand, but is taken off guard when the creature launches a ; as he's dodging the blast the creature latches onto Piccolo Jr.'s back and stings his arm, draining the life from it and rendering the limb useless and withered. Piccolo Jr. headbutts the creature and breaks free but claims that with his injury he has been defeated, luring the creature into explaining his actions. The creature reveals his name as , and that he is a combination of Earth's greatest warriors put together by Dr. Gero. His purpose is to locate Androids 17 and 18 and take their energy so that he may achieve his "". Now knowing the creatures origin and intentions Piccolo Jr. exposes his ruse, tearing the withered arm free and growing a healthy one in its place, now prepared to resume battle with Cell.

From http://www.dbz.freeuk.com/info/theoreticalpowerlevels.html

Cell: 9,000,000
Kamicolo (Piccolo and Kami combined): 10,000,000
Cell (after absorbing Android 17): 16,000,000

Finally from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChQWrWX-sGY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCH1ajxt1XY&feature=related.  I'd post the videos here (Mr. Cool) if I knew how.

There may be more where that comes from (can't think of any at the moment), but I think Piccolo displays a high level of durability and recovery agains't injury that increses with his power level, but not virtually impenetrable skin. Back on point, Martian Manhunter is (or as near as a comic character can be, inconsistant writing) INVULNERABLE.

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Okay, first of all, the creatory stopped using the powerlevels after freeza saga and the powerlevels displaying here are all calculated guess. So you can`t use that since we don`t really know how strong the two are compared to each other. And if you say that Piccolo doesn`t have INVULNERABLE skin, then what does that make him

Can't he mind wipe Piccolo?

In theory, yes.

Ok, omit the power levels conjecture if you want. I posted two other sources to support my point. Refute those and we have a conversation.

I don't recall writing 'Piccolo doesn`t have INVULNERABLE skin'. I wrote he doesn't have virtually impenetrable skin. I already address what I think he has, 'a high level of durability and recovery agains't injury that increses with his power level. I capitalized the word invulnerable for emphasis, and placed it as an attribute of Martian Manhunter.

Your last sentence ask 'what does that make him'. I think he's/it's (that another subject altogether) a Namekian.

"Nice rebut, but I have to ask...

"Cosmic or Teleplasm are a part of this power."

What do you mean by a part? Why isn't magic 'a part of this power'? What are the full applications of Chi, Kai, or POWER LEVEL? How does it effect , in your opinion, the outcome of this match?

Here is a definition of chi from Wikipedia.org:

In traditional , qi (; qi, ch'ihei; ki; gi; pronounced :  in ) is an active principle forming part of any living thing.

It is *requently translated as "energy flow", and is often compared to Western notions of or (). The literal translation is "air", "breath", or "gas" (compare the original meaning of Latin "breathing").

Frequently does not mean accurately.


"The only things that can pierce him are people whom are stronger than him."

I'll have to disagree with this stament. Based on the fact that he was penetrated by an imperfect Cell when the two first met. It has been established in anime and canon alike that Piccolo was more powerful/stronger than Cell on this event.

From http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/Piccolo

Piccolo Jr. rushes to Ginger Town, the location of this murderous new enemy. The bug-like creature claims that he is Piccolo Jr.'s "brother", and the two engage in battle. Piccolo Jr. seems to have the upper hand, but is taken off guard when the creature launches a ; as he's dodging the blast the creature latches onto Piccolo Jr.'s back and stings his arm, draining the life from it and rendering the limb useless and withered. Piccolo Jr. headbutts the creature and breaks free but claims that with his injury he has been defeated, luring the creature into explaining his actions. The creature reveals his name as , and that he is a combination of Earth's greatest warriors put together by Dr. Gero. His purpose is to locate Androids 17 and 18 and take their energy so that he may achieve his "". Now knowing the creatures origin and intentions Piccolo Jr. exposes his ruse, tearing the withered arm free and growing a healthy one in its place, now prepared to resume battle with Cell.

From http://www.dbz.freeuk.com/info/theoreticalpowerlevels.html

Cell: 9,000,000
Kamicolo (Piccolo and Kami combined): 10,000,000
Cell (after absorbing Android 17): 16,000,000

Finally from http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChQWrWX-sGY and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCH1ajxt1XY&feature=related.  I'd post the videos here (Mr. Cool) if I knew how.

There may be more where that comes from (can't think of any at the moment), but I think Piccolo displays a high level of durability and recovery agains't injury that increses with his power level, but not virtually impenetrable skin. Back on point, Martian Manhunter is (or as near as a comic character can be, inconsistant writing) INVULNERABLE.

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Concerning magic, I think the DCU would disagree with you.

Taken from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Mxyzptlk#Powers_and_abilities
&
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching_%28comics%29

Mr. Mxyzptlk has access to fifth-dimensional technology that to third-dimensional beings may as well be magic...

I Ching is the last surviving member of an ancient sect. Their monastery was hidden high in the mountains and their task was to maintain ageless knowledge lost centuries past - a time when men foolishly concluded that magicand science are different. Only the sect knew that they are sides of the same coin.

Since you articulately described the Power Cosmic and Teleplasm with science, I hope we can agree that technology and science are both natural systems.
If you do concur, than the DCU includes magic as a "natural 3rd-dimensional energyies."

As for invulnerable. Words may be interpreted differently by individual to individual, with an acceptible level of plausibility.

I Google search Invulnerable, this is what I got.

Definitions of invulnerable on the Web:

• immune to attack; impregnable; "gunners raked the beach from invulnerable positions on the cliffs"
  

I take 'immune to attack' as being able to withstand any assualt (regardless to the strength of the force) without sustaining any injury, whatsoever. Even to the point where One can take more than One can dish out. Since this is rarely the case in comics or anime, I'll say One has superhuman levels of physical tolerance, durability, or simply resistance to injuryand maybe pain. By my definition invulnerability is limitless. By your definition unvulnerability can increase. By my definition invulnerability can not exist. By your definition Invulnerability can be measured.

I like your definition more. :)

Did you guys give up or what?

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Did you guys give up or what?

"

Well this is old now so I give up...  how about that?

Martian Manhunter.Close thread.

Whoa, I totally forgot about this... Give me until tomorrow; I'm about ready to sleep now.

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Concerning magic, I think the DCU would disagree with you.

Taken from:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Mxyzptlk#Powers_and_abilities
&
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching_%28comics%29

Mr. Mxyzptlk has access to fifth-dimensional technology that to third-dimensional beings may as well be magic...

I Ching is the last surviving member of an ancient sect. Their monastery was hidden high in the mountains and their task was to maintain ageless knowledge lost centuries past - a time when men foolishly concluded that magicand science are different. Only the sect knew that they are sides of the same coin.

Since you articulately described the Power Cosmic and Teleplasm with science, I hope we can agree that technology and science are both natural systems.
If you do concur, than the DCU includes magic as a "natural 3rd-dimensional energyies."

As for invulnerable. Words may be interpreted differently by individual to individual, with an acceptible level of plausibility.

I Google search Invulnerable, this is what I got.

Definitions of invulnerable on the Web:

• immune to attack; impregnable; "gunners raked the beach from invulnerable positions on the cliffs"
  wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

I take 'immune to attack' as being able to withstand any assualt (regardless to the strength of the force) without sustaining any injury, whatsoever. Even to the point where One can take more than One can dish out. Since this is rarely the case in comics or anime, I'll say One has superhuman levels of physical tolerance, durability, or simply resistance to injuryand maybe pain. By my definition invulnerability is limitless. By your definition unvulnerability can increase. By my definition invulnerability can not exist. By your definition Invulnerability can be measured.

I like your definition more. :)

"

And charcters have been able to break Clasic Juggernaut.

Just so you guys know, dbz characters can produce heat with there energy blasts. Piccolo could just burn MM with his energy attacks. There goes the battle.