Martian Manhunter vs Count Nefaria

Pre 52 for mmh

No telepathy for mmh

imo Classic Count could take MM he tagged Vision when he went invisible & took on a full roster of Super heroes.

Only problem here could be MMs speed.

Someone got speed feats for both/either character?

Neither of these guys are gifted, skilled fighters, they both just happen to be extremely powerful.

Classic Silver Age MM actually never had Super Speed; he had strength & durability, along with the ability to "duplicate" other's powers via his shape-changing ........post Silver age but pre-52 he suddenly seemed to have it, but mostly because many assumed that Green Martians were basically "Kryptonian;lite". He did have superior reflexes, and could catch bullets at close range but never had the stamina for extended super-speed activities, other than his flight speed. If MM goes too fast in an atmosphere, he generates friction, which in turn generates heat.

Nefaria had Whirlwind's speed x 100, and could easily keep up in any case. With no telepathy to fall back upon, J'ohn loses unless he makes creative use of his shape-changing abilities. Nefaria was too dense for the Vision to phase thru, so I presume the same would be true for J'ohnn.

@OneVision_OnePurpose:Mach 10 for Martian Manhunter but is not his top speed and around Mach 7 for Count Nefaria

@OneVision_OnePurpose: @thestarguy: Martian Manhunter acan keep up with the flash

@dondave: For how long? that is the key here....

MM has proved he can speed Blitz in the past when taking out a trio of White Martians & imo thats wot could swing the battle in his favour here..

@thestarguy:he has nigh inexhaustible endurance

@thestarguy: this a fight and not a race so he wont need to go to light speed

@dondave: No, but he has to move fast enough to avoid Nefaria's Laser Vision, which could probably kill him. That is the point with the speed questions, I think. And Nefaria has super-speed also, so avoiding it does make it a race of sorts.

leaning towards MM

Without telepathy, I'd say Nefaria. He's faster and stronger. Intangibility may prove difficult though. Does the Count have heatvision or are his eyebeams ionic?

@thestarguy:But he is considerably by a far margin faster than Count Nefaria

@dondave: I doubt he's faster than someone who is literally 100 times faster than Whirlwind.

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia:MMH is faster than CN as CN's top speed is Mach 7 whill mmh's base while on earth is mach 10 but he can go faster if he wants to

@thestarguy: I was wondering is his laser vision like heat vision because if it is it wont affect mmh

I havent read any comics with him after the ionic state thing.

Can someone tell me if anything significant happened to him?

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia:Whirlwind is not a really fast person compared to someone like quicksilver who is considerably slower than flash who mmh can keep up with

@The_Last_Son_of_Czarnia: Nefaria had Laser Vision 100x times stronger than the Living Laser, and when the Vison tried to phase through him, he was too dense and super-charged with energy for the Vision to phase thru.

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Count Nefaria looks like Doctor Strange

i dont know him but i'll say MM wins

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Count Nefaria wins

Martian Manhunter.