Martian Manhunter vs Captain Marvel vs Bizarro

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"martian manhunter"

MM

i dunno....this is a little tough. Bizzarro is just stupid and unpredictable...

"i dunno....this is a little tough. Bizzarro is just stupid and unpredictable..."

This isn't Lord Marvel being used, is it?

"This isn't Lord Marvel being used, is it?"

"oldmagic said:

"i dunno....this is a little tough. Bizzarro is just stupid and unpredictable..."

Indeed... and stupidity and unpredictable thoughts are exactly safe qualities to a Superman level character

lol
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"King Saturn said:

"oldmagic said:

"i dunno....this is a little tough. Bizzarro is just stupid and unpredictable..."

Indeed... and stupidity and unpredictable thoughts are exactly safe qualities to a Superman level character

lol
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Superman is controlled and could be predicted. It's the stupid/insane once you gotta watch out for."

I don't think Bizarro has a defense against MM's telepathic attacks.

"I don't think Bizarro has a defense against MM's telepathic attacks."

"King Saturn said:

"oldmagic said:

"i dunno....this is a little tough. Bizzarro is just stupid and unpredictable..."

Indeed... and stupidity and unpredictable thoughts are exactly safe qualities to a Superman level character

lol
"

Superman is controlled and could be predicted. It's the stupid/insane once you gotta watch out for."

Martian Manhunter with ease. Tell me if I need to explain that.

"martian manhunter"

Bizarro

MM for the win.He is the swiss pocket knife when it comes to super heros.

John....

Martian Manhunter.

"Martian Manhunter with ease. Tell me if I need to explain that."

"Buckshot said:

"Martian Manhunter with ease. Tell me if I need to explain that."

Really ? Well didnt Martian Manhunter have trouble fighting Black Adam in the World War 3 comic series ? And the last time I can recall...Captain Marvel was able to defeat Black Adam "

"King Saturn said:

"Buckshot said:

"Martian Manhunter with ease. Tell me if I need to explain that."

Really ? Well didnt Martian Manhunter have trouble fighting Black Adam in the World War 3 comic series ? And the last time I can recall...Captain Marvel was able to defeat Black Adam "

Would you think it would happen again MM vs BA.?"

"Buckshot said:

"Martian Manhunter with ease. Tell me if I need to explain that."

Really ? Well didnt Martian Manhunter have trouble fighting Black Adam in the World War 3 comic series ? And the last time I can recall...Captain Marvel was able to defeat Black Adam "

"King Saturn said:

"Buckshot said:

"Martian Manhunter with ease. Tell me if I need to explain that."

Really ? Well didnt Martian Manhunter have trouble fighting Black Adam in the World War 3 comic series ? And the last time I can recall...Captain Marvel was able to defeat Black Adam "

If Martian Manhunter was really fighting to the best of his ability, Captain Marvel wouldn't be able to hurt him. MM would use more of his powers, like intangibility. He was doing well against BA physically (melted his face with martian vision and smacked him around some while taking blows from BA that were meant to kill) and if he had used his intangibility, BA could never have attacked back. Since Captain Marvel can't attack in any way other than physical strikes that require something solid to hit, MM would be untouched but free to attack. Also, when fighting CM, MM wouldn't be inhibited by some bs he's-too-crazy/angry to be mentally attacked garbage. ("Garbage" because MM has been in every mind on the planet multiple times and been in the heads of gods and monsters, the "blackness" of Black Adam's mind shouldn't overwhelm him.)  He'd be able to  take CM mentally.  Even in the case of Black Adam he could have won (despite his abilities being held back). He had shut down Black Adam's control of his body. If he had attacked there instead of talking he would have won. If he had taken away his ability to think (which he threatened to do but didn't actually follow through on) he would have won."

BA could never have attacked him back?

I thought Martain Manhunter (like most phasers) had to be solid to attack.  Sure, it gives him a huge advantage, but attacking him isn't impossible.

EDIT: Good thread, KS.

Manhunter

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BA could never have attacked him back?

I thought Martain Manhunter (like most phasers) had to be solid to attack.  Sure, it gives him a huge advantage, but attacking him isn't impossible.

EDIT: Good thread, KS.

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Your welcome.

Personally, I see it as Bizarro > Martian Manhunter > Captain Marvel > Bizarro.

Not sure who to choose.

"Your welcome.

Personally, I see it as Bizarro > Martian Manhunter > Captain Marvel > Bizarro.

Not sure who to choose."

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BA could never have attacked him back?

I thought Martain Manhunter (like most phasers) had to be solid to attack.  Sure, it gives him a huge advantage, but attacking him isn't impossible.

EDIT: Good thread, KS.

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Well, he breathes fire and has gotten the best of "Marvin the Martian" before.  Wish I could find those scans.

I think all three of them are practically the same strength.  It's just that MM's extra powers allow him to beat Cap and extra weaknesses let Bizarro get the best of him.  Between Cap and Bizarro, Cap's the more skilled combatant.

Least that's how I see it.

I don't know if fire works when he's intangible, but MM could always mess with Bizarros brain to stop it. Shutting down his control over his body (or just that function) or just tricking him (people can trick him with words, why not  thoughts?) could get rid of the fire attack.

Martian Manhunter had trouble dealing with Black Adam's brain.
I don't see him standing a chance against Bizarro's.

He had trouble the first time then he came back and was able to mix their minds without being hurt. He really shouldn't have been bothered the first time though. He's been in the minds of everyone on the planet before. That includes Black Adam, and he didn't have a problem until the time he fought him in his own event. Hmmm... He's also been in the Joker's head (MM was not only able to go into it, but fixed it for a time) and all sorts of villains that are just as or more filled with hate/anger/insanity than Black Adam. If you're going just off that fight though, MM could still win. As I said in my other post, he shut down Black Adam's control over his body. He can do the same thing here. No matter how dumb it is, his brain still controls his body and MM could interfere with that. The only reason BA could get out of it was because his mind was somehow (plot) strong enough. Unless you believe that Bizarro has a stronger mind than Black Adam, that should tell you that it would be even more effective on Bizarro. (Even if he could free himself though, he'd still be vulnerable for a few seconds like BA was.)

Can you tell me why Bizarro can be tricked by words, but someone messing around or just talking in his head couldn't do the same? If mental trickery doesn't work (why wouldn't it though?) he could try something simpler. He could shape shift into a copy of Bizarro to get him not to attack (thinking he'd be fighting himself), or something silly like that.

And does fire hurt MM while he's intangible?

I don't think he has a stronger mind, but that was never the problem.  Bizarro has a much more screwed up mind than Black Adam or the Joker.  Ridiculously so.  You can't even have a conversation with Bizarro he's so weird.  Think about what it's like inside that mind.

I don't really think Bizarro gets tricked by words very often.  Sometimes he'd fool himself (Superman is alive so to be a perfect imprefect duplicate...) but most of the time, he has to get hammered into the ground to get beat.  Shape shifting into another Bizarro won't help.  Bizarro knows all about Martian Manhunter and at least a few versions of him have liked to beat on Bizarro Lois.

Not sure about fire hurting him while he's intangible.  Doubt it but like I said, he's gotta unphase to hit back and Bizarro does have just as much super speed as him.

It doesn't matter if his mind is screwed up. Unless his brain controls his physical movements in a totally different way (which I don't think you have proof for) MM can still shut down his body. Even if it was weird, it would need to be completely different for MM not to get it. He's been inside the brains of all kinds of people, creatures and aliens. If it's a problem (which I don't think it will be) he could just stay intangible until he figures it out. He doesn't need to perceive what Bizarro percieves or spend time trying to understand him, he just needs to shut down his control of his body, something he was able to do with very little trouble to Black Adam. Once that's done, Bizarro doesn't have what BA does (a strong mind) in order to fight back. Anyway, MM is as adaptable mentally as he is phsyically. He can reshape his brain until he figures out how Bizarro's works, maybe even using his x-ray vision to check out Bizarro's brain and use it as a guide.

He doesn't have to get tricked often for it to happen again. Point is, he's been tricked before and someone as smart as J'onn with knowledge of what's going on in Bizarro's head can do it again.

You brought up the fire as a weakness Bizarro could exploit, but if it doesn't work when MM is intangible, then it doesn't really matter. He can stay that way as long as he wants and attack in nonphysical ways. Like I said, he could spend that time tampering with Bizarro's brain or just figuring out a way to trick him out of the fight. Bizarro won't be able to do anything about that. I still think he can use Martian vision while intangible, but I'm not sure. Aside from intangibility his shape shifting/regen make him harder to hurt than Bizarro. He can be taken apart and put himself back together or make himself soft or elastic so blows don't hurt. And if he decides to go hand to hand, he can take Bizarro. He's got the strength as it is but he can always add to it by shape shifting or adding mass.

"It doesn't matter if his mind is screwed up. Unless his brain controls his physical movements in a totally different way (which I don't think you have proof for) MM can still shut down his body."

"He was created by the Joker on a whim.  Do you think his brain is even remotely like anyone else's?"

"Buckshot said:

"It doesn't matter if his mind is screwed up. Unless his brain controls his physical movements in a totally different way (which I don't think you have proof for) MM can still shut down his body."

He was created by the Joker on a whim.  Do you think his brain is even remotely like anyone else's?"

I wish I could find those scans of Bizarro beating MM.

It wasn't even funny the fight was so one sided.

Granted, MM hardly ever fights to his best potential.

Manhunter

"Zoom said:

"Your welcome.

Personally, I see it as Bizarro > Martian Manhunter > Captain Marvel > Bizarro.

Not sure who to choose."

Hmmm...so is Bizarro the strongest or the weakest here... cause you have him at the front and at the end of you equation"

MM hands DOWN

"King Saturn said:

"Zoom said:

"Your welcome.

Personally, I see it as Bizarro > Martian Manhunter > Captain Marvel > Bizarro.

Not sure who to choose."

Hmmm...so is Bizarro the strongest or the weakest here... cause you have him at the front and at the end of you equation"

He certainly isn't the strongest, I can tell you that much :-)"