Martian Manhunter runs the Telepathic Gauntlet

Stops at 2, those 3 girls at once are too much

Maxima and Grodd?

" Stops at 2, those 3 girls at once are too much "

You'e overestimating the Martian. I regard him as the most powerful telepath (excluding alternate reality characters like Kal Kent), but stage 5 is ****** ridiculous. He can barely beat X-Man. Not that it matters, he stops at two.

Round 4 is easier than Round 2. J'onn has already affected both Grodd and Maxima telepathically before. 

He stops at 2 for sure...

Stage 2, too much for him to handle.

@Silver2467: 

Is affecting the same as beating ? I am unclear what you mean

@Devias said:

"You'e overestimating the Martian.  "

Yes sorry I wil be revising this tonight =)

He clears it

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@Silver2467: 

Is affecting the same as beating ? I am unclear what you mean

"You'e overestimating the Martian. I regard him as the most powerful telepath (excluding alternate reality characters like Kal Kent), but stage 5 is ****** ridiculous. He can barely beat X-Man. Not that it matters, he stops at two. "

stops at jean............

He stops at 2. There is no way he is going to defeat all of them at the same time. They will wreck his mind.

" He stops at 2. There is no way he is going to defeat all of them at the same time. They will wreck his mind. "

" He stops at 2. There is no way he is going to defeat all of them at the same time. They will wreck his mind. "

I really am not knowledgeable enough on all of these characters to give an informed consensus, but I will comment on some of them.
Grodd, J'onn can beat easily, given that he already has. Maxima, he can beat. Frost, Xavier, and Jean also with difficulty. Not sure about Moondragon, but I will point out that although Moondragon can mind control worlds, the Manhunter's mental shields have held up against more than one planetary telepath. This includes Doctor Destiny (he influenced the minds of the entire earth into falling asleep and entering his dream realm where he used their energies to amp himself even further; despite being able to affect all of earth, J'onn protected the JLA's minds from his powers), Mageddon (telepathic war machine that alters the minds of worldwide populations into entering global war), and Starro (obvious; it TPs planets to conquer them). J'onn's shields have also held up against the combined telepathic abilities of several White Martians (individual Martians, not just J'onn, have accidentally probed billions of minds at a time). So that could be debated if for no other reason than his TP defenses. To be completely honest, I have seen Moondragon used as a measuring stick for Marvel characters by resisting her telepathy, and it happens so often that, in my mind at least, it lessens the significance of her supposed power. She just seems to be inconsistent. X-Man can beaten if his psionic form is dispersed or defeated, which is something J'onn has already proven able to do. I could see it being debated on whether he can beat Shadow King or not. Rachel, Saturn Girl, and the Stepford Cuckoos, I really do not know enough about to say. 

I think J'onn should take Saturn Girl, the Cuckoos, Grodd, and Maxima fairly easily.  Especially with no morals.  The Cuckoos have the potential to hang with him IMO, especially with Cerebra enhancing them, but they lack the experience and coordination necessary.  They also need each other too much.  They are already missing two pieces of their whole, as soon as one starts to struggle with him, they all go down. 
After that, I personally think Rachael should be next.  Again she has the potential to win, but lacks the experience.  Emma's already shown her how skill beats raw power.  He is more powerful than Emma, and at least as skilled, so he should win here, but it would be a good fight.  I'd put Jean next, and this is where he starts to have trouble.  I think completely unleashed, she'd beat him.  He has more consistency for his feats, but she's had some impressive feats herself.  This should be about 50/50.  He might be able to beat Shadow King.  Shadow King is impressive astrally however.  In a pure astral battle, I think J'onn could probably pull out this one, but barely.  That's his last win though.  Professor X has at least matching, if not superior feats.  He's got galactic tp and astral feats, not just global, and of course he beat Jean with the Phoenix force "across all the infinite planes of existence."  Moondragon has been stated to be above Professor X even without the Mind Gem.  She's one of the only people along with Professor X who's messed with Hulk's mind, she regularly performs intergalactic tp feats.  She's called to Surfer adn Phyla from galaxies away, she's destroyed inorganics with psi blasts.  J'onn's not in her league.  And all of them together can't match Nate.  I'm just going to shamelessly plagiarize myself from another post here.   Nate has superior tp feats to pretty much everyone.  I could give examples like intergalactic astral communication,  affecting physical things from the astral plane, or using tp to direct his reality hopping, but why don't we just hop to a multiversal tp feat.

Telepathically bonding someone else to the fractured pieces of her psyche across the infinite planes of reality

He stops at Jean if its one on one as X-man could stop him also but stage two beat him also before edit.

I've said this before in other threads regarding J'onn in fights like these.  His biggest problem is his psychosomatic fear of fire.  That weakness is tailor made for a telepathic opponent to exploit.

" I've said this before in other threads regarding J'onn in fights like these.  His biggest problem is his psychosomatic fear of fire.  That weakness is tailor made for a telepathic opponent to exploit. "

" @bag_o_x_men: The Manhunter seemed to perform a galactic-scale TP feat in Heaven's Ladder, and he has performed transdimensional feats as well. Global scales are far from his limit.

" @Silver2467 said:

" @bag_o_x_men: The Manhunter seemed to perform a galactic-scale TP feat in Heaven's Ladder, and he has performed transdimensional feats as well. Global scales are far from his limit.

Yeah, I know.   But he doesn't do it as often or as easily as the ones here.  I was also mentioning global feats, because a lot of people don't seem to know how easily Xavier can do global tp and intergalactic astral and tp feats. Professor X and Moondragon do intergalactic all the time with no strain at all.  Xavier used to telepathically link to Lilandra in Shi'ar space like he was making a phone call.  Every time I've seen J'onn do anything major, even global feats, he seems to have to really concentrate, and anything more seems like it causes a fair amount of strain.  I personally think their power levels are similar, but he isn't quite as skilled as Xavier.  Moondragon is above Xavier in strength and is a match for skill,  and Nate is above them all...by a lot. p.s.as far as I know, MM has no fire weakness anymore, so that's out.  "

.as far as I know, MM has no fire weakness anymore, so that's out.  "

" @bag_o_x_men said:

" @Silver2467 said:

" @bag_o_x_men: The Manhunter seemed to perform a galactic-scale TP feat in Heaven's Ladder, and he has performed transdimensional feats as well. Global scales are far from his limit.

Yeah, I know.   But he doesn't do it as often or as easily as the ones here.  I was also mentioning global feats, because a lot of people don't seem to know how easily Xavier can do global tp and intergalactic astral and tp feats. Professor X and Moondragon do intergalactic all the time with no strain at all.  Xavier used to telepathically link to Lilandra in Shi'ar space like he was making a phone call.  Every time I've seen J'onn do anything major, even global feats, he seems to have to really concentrate, and anything more seems like it causes a fair amount of strain.  I personally think their power levels are similar, but he isn't quite as skilled as Xavier.  Moondragon is above Xavier in strength and is a match for skill,  and Nate is above them all...by a lot. p.s.as far as I know, MM has no fire weakness anymore, so that's out.  "

Not really. The only time he ever had difficulty performing a planetary telepathic scan was during Trial by Fire, and in the duration of that arc, he was undergoing physical and mental changes and usurpations by Fernus. Every other time I can think of, the strain is minimal. As for interplanetary, he has telepathically coordinated the JLA as they traveled between different planets. He gathered the minds of everyone on earth and projected them into D'Kay's mind while he and D'Kay were on Mars. Neither example showed any hardship on his part. Galactic-scale, the instance I referred to in Heaven's Ladder, J'onn did that feat while he was having a casual conversation with other League members. Transdimensional, the only reason he had difficulty with that was because his body was unconscious and because the actual goal of this feat was to locate Flash as he shifted between alternate realities. Because Wally was continuously moving, tracking him was difficult.

So, no, this is not really true. 

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" @Switchdoctor: Illusionary fire? That failed even when the Manhunter still had the fire weakness when he confronted Z.

Magic fire already failed once. Psychic fire has yet to be tested since Trial by Fire, but it is not as simple as you make it out to be. Characters have attacked him with flames since then and been ineffective on more than one occasion. 

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" @Silver2467: I am pretty sure Psychic fire would still work, if DC took that way, MM would have no weakness whatsoever, and thus be a bit on boring side, as none of foes could ever do anything to him, I don't see why magic fire failed, as my understanding of magic fire ( could be wrong)  affects the mind as much as the body I.E. hell fire. Now  if it was just fire summoned by magic, yeah that isnt gonna cut it 

" @Silver2467:  That may have been the one.  Superman was talking , I believe to Diana, about how MM was the best, that he could link with everyone.  Something like that.  It's been a long time since I read it.  "

" @Switchdoctor: Illusionary fire? That failed even when the Manhunter still had the fire weakness when he confronted Z.

Magic fire already failed once.

Psychic fire has yet to be tested since Trial by Fire

Characters have attacked him with flames since then and been ineffective on more than one occasion.

 Yes, but Z still has morals.  The OP states 'no morals' meaning that any flames he will be facing in this thread will be flames of passion.

What were the circumstances?  

Considering that we have positive evidence of what happens when J'onn faces psychic fire, what kind of conclusion do you suggest that we come to in light of the absence of evidence that you're mentioning here?

Unless there's a retcon that's come out recently, I'm sure one can handwave those one or two occasions away as examples that fall under the convention that Joe Kelly set.  Not that any of this helps him here. "

@bag_o_x_men

" @Silver2467: Was it?  I was thinking it was longer ago than that.  I might be combining the two in my head too.  I don't know.  I read a lot, and some of them bleed together a bit sometimes.  Sometimes I have to go back and reread tham to straighten it out.  Trial by Fire was only about ten years ago wasn't it?  The one I was thinking of was from the early nineties IIRC.  "

Illusions are not even real fire.

How would that have the same effect anyway?

Pre-Fernus, fire had a physically and mentally detrimental effect on him in which he would gradually lose control over his physical form. Illusions do not cause that. Not that I entirely believe the "Z still has morals" claim since the point of creating illusionary flames was to subdue him.

 He was protecting civilians from rubble while having difficulty retaining a visual sense of the situation because of smoke, and Faust combusted the rubble which blew him away. He was seen standing and attacking without any real difficulty a page or two after in the same fight.

 No, we have positive evidence of what happens when Pre-Trial by Fire J'onn faces psychic fire, not Post. And I never proposed any set conclusion; I said that there is no evidence it has the same result.

 More like 4 or 5, not that it really matters. The entire "flame of passion" description is inconclusive in application and lacks consistency. If it actually was meant to be interpreted as any fire with emotional ill-intent behind it automatically harms the Manhunter, it certainly fails to accomplish any form of repeated showing to validate this seeing as how there are multiple examples of fire being shrugged off by him.

His journey ceases at stage 2.

The same way that psychic fire effects J'onn.  They are flames of psychic significance.

Intending to subdue someone is entirely different than intending to kill someone.  Under the rules of this thread, Zatanna (or any of the opponents listed in the OP) would be acting like Despero.

What was Faust's intent when he combusted the rubble?  Was he trying to kill J'onn?

I never said that you came to a conclusion at the time.  I was asking a question.  I'll rephrase.  How does invoking absence of evidence Post Trial by Fire negate actual evidence that occured Pre Trial by Fire?

Oh?  So all of these flame based attacks that J'onn is shrugging off, is someone trying to end his life? And since we're doing our best to be accurate here, in these 4 or 5 showings, what is meant by 'shrugged off by him'?  I mean, we've seen Superman shrug off the effects of kryptonite probably more than 4 or 5 times, but it's still kryptonite. "

He clears it.

" He stops at 2. There is no way he is going to defeat all of them at the same time. They will wreck his mind. "

Bumpity bump. Jonn is no longer pyrophobic. And even if he was, how would his opponents know?