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#1 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals off, No BFR, pre-new 52 versions of DC characters

  1. Superman and Wonder woman
  2. Same as above without telepathy
  3. Hyperion, Sentry, Blue Marvel
  4. Same as above without telepathy
  5. Orion, Black Adam, Bizzaro
  6. Same as above without telepathy
  7. Captain atom
  8. Cyborg superman
  9. Cyborg superman and Captain Atom
  10. Same as above without TP
  11. Silver Surfer
  12. Wally West.

How far does he make it?

#2 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really see him beating Supes and Wonder woman without telepathy.

#4 Edited by jwalser3 (5171 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really see him beating Supes and Wonder woman without telepathy.

#5 Posted by laflux (16816 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@the_last_kryptonian said:

I don't really see him beating Supes and Wonder woman without telepathy.

MMH phases Superman/Wonderwoman to a table, like he did to the former when he was Fernus. Or he simply phases his hands in their heads and removes their brains.

Sans Telepathy, he'll probably end up losing to Cyborg Superman/Cap Atom and everyone after that

With Telepathy and Bloodlust, the only one who's going to stop him is Wally West.

#6 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@the_last_kryptonian said:

I don't really see him beating Supes and Wonder woman without telepathy.

I don't see why he can't. White Martians(who are inferior to J'onn) have taken out Wonder Woman with just Martian vision, and even without fernus he should be able to fuse superman with a wall.

#7 Posted by jwalser3 (5171 posts) - - Show Bio
#8 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

Then I guess it stops at 7.

Does Atom have TP resistance? I honestly don't know.

#9 Edited by dondave (38517 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Wally

#10 Posted by Experio (16666 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Surfer

#11 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@highaccuser: Then I guess it stops at 7.

Indeed.

Unless Matian Manhunter has molecular reconstruction resistance feats.

#12 Posted by Whirlwind_33 (1590 posts) - - Show Bio

@jwalser3 said:

@highaccuser: Then I guess it stops at 7.

Indeed.

Unless Matian Manhunter has molecular reconstruction resistance feats.

I thought post crisis pre-new52 Captain Atom wasn't as powerful as new 52? What are some of his best feats?

#13 Posted by sophia89 (4211 posts) - - Show Bio

he stops at 2.

wonder woman and superman wont stand still while he removes their brain.

#14 Edited by cdiddyman911 (2532 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 4

#15 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian said:

@jwalser3 said:

Then I guess it stops at 7.

Indeed.

Unless Matian Manhunter has molecular reconstruction resistance feats.

I thought post crisis pre-new52 Captain Atom wasn't as powerful as new 52? What are some of his best feats?

He isn't. The only good feats I know are beating Hal Jordan and Majestic.

#16 Posted by jwalser3 (5171 posts) - - Show Bio
#17 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: So, you're saying Majestic couldn't beat MM?

#18 Posted by Whirlwind_33 (1590 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Wally or Surfer then

#19 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

So, you're saying Majestic couldn't beat MM?

No, Majestic was kind of nerfed in that instance. Captain Atom seemed to think he wasn't as strong as superman(which is crap). Like I said, I don't know many feats for Atom.

@jwalser3 said:

IIRC he took on Firestorm like three times.

He can depower people like Firestorm and Ray, so that's not very helpful in this fight.

#20 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian said:

So, you're saying Majestic couldn't beat MM?

No, Majestic was kind of nerfed in that instance. Captain Atom seemed to think he wasn't as strong as superman(which is crap). Like I said, I don't know many feats for Atom.

@jwalser3 said:

IIRC he took on Firestorm like three times.

He can depower people like Firestorm and Ray, so that's not very helpful in this fight.

Ah, well, my case stands. Captain Atom is capable of manipulating substances on an atomic level. Unless MM has some sort of resistance to that, then I'd think he's going to get vaporized.

#21 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian said:

So, you're saying Majestic couldn't beat MM?

No, Majestic was kind of nerfed in that instance. Captain Atom seemed to think he wasn't as strong as superman(which is crap). Like I said, I don't know many feats for Atom.

@jwalser3 said:

IIRC he took on Firestorm like three times.

He can depower people like Firestorm and Ray, so that's not very helpful in this fight.

Ah, well, my case stands. Captain Atom is capable of manipulating substances on an atomic level. Unless MM has some sort of resistance to that, then I'd think he's going to get vaporized.

Well, he does have complete and total control over his molecules. He's repaired himself from getting chopped to pieces.

#22 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio
#23 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio
#24 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

Hm. That seems like more of a Regeneration feat than molecule control. (Although you could classify them as the same.)

My question was if he has any resistance to someone else controlling his molecules, lest Captain Atom simply remove every atom in his body, reducing him to nothingness.

#25 Posted by brainstorm01 (1449 posts) - - Show Bio

clears

#26 Edited by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

Hm. That seems like more of a Regeneration feat than molecule control. (Although you could classify them as the same.)

My question was if he has any resistance to someone else controlling his molecules, lest Captain Atom simply remove every atom in his body, reducing him to nothingness.

He might be able to resist given he has unparalled control of his own molecules. Hard to say.

#27 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Edited by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (2294 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 3 sentry solos

#29 Edited by kgb725 (6440 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at Sentry

#30 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio
#31 Posted by ComicsrulebutDBZdoes2 (2294 posts) - - Show Bio
#32 Edited by pikachumonster (3100 posts) - - Show Bio

lol

#33 Posted by HAMMER_OF_J2 (1362 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 2

#34 Posted by patrat18 (10170 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 2.

#35 Posted by leonkarlen123 (4746 posts) - - Show Bio

These fights is a little out of order but he stops at 2, Superman himself can Stalemate Martian

#36 Posted by TheTrueBarryAllen (5570 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like he might get stopped on Cyborg Superman & Captain Atom w/o TP.

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#37 Posted by TrionAce (483 posts) - - Show Bio

Which Hyperion? Some versions could give MM hell. I say he stops at Surfer

#38 Posted by reaverlation (16422 posts) - - Show Bio

I feel like he might get stopped on Cyborg Superman & Captain Atom w/o TP.

This.Stops at 10 due to Hank not Nathaniel unless Sentry has death seed/voided out

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#39 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

nothing really MMH can do to put him down

Beat him into submission with better strength? Blitz him with better speed? Fuse him to a wall? Overpower him with martian vision? Those might work.

These fights is a little out of order but he stops at 2, Superman himself can Stalemate Martian

Superman can't even match white martians. Jonn has faced an entire JLA team including Superman without telepathy.

#40 Posted by leonkarlen123 (4746 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: Martian also got his as$ handed by Black Adam who Superman stalemate anyday...

#41 Posted by darkseid1006 (2516 posts) - - Show Bio

If Captain Atom has TP resistance then MMH loses if not he wins.

#42 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

Martian also got his as$ handed by Black Adam who Superman stalemate anyday...

That was because he got into his mind and was thrown off by all adams murders. He came back later and casually matched and restrained him with telepathy Adam before letting the other heroes turn him human.

#43 Edited by TheMagicStik (1845 posts) - - Show Bio

Stops at 7.

#44 Posted by Faymousinus (1262 posts) - - Show Bio
#45 Posted by Easternwind (3890 posts) - - Show Bio
#46 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio
#47 Edited by Easternwind (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: He can counter that, Hes done it before, Ill find the scans, might take a bit i lost all my MM scans.

#48 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

He can counter that, Hes done it before, Ill find the scans, might take a bit i lost all my MM scans.

I've seen it, but Barry has resisted black lantern MMH.

#49 Edited by Easternwind (3890 posts) - - Show Bio

@highaccuser: Do you happen to know where its from? I am trying to regain my MMH scans.

Ok, so those 2 balance out, do you know of any more? I know a few where he TPs flash, but flash didnt expect it in some of them.

Maybe it comes down to feats of resistance vs power. Whats the strongest TP flash resisted? MMH has insane TP feats.

#50 Posted by highaccuser (7426 posts) - - Show Bio

Do you happen to know where its from? I am trying to regain my MMH scans.

Ok, so those 2 balance out, Whats the strongest TP flash resisted? MMH has insane TP feats.

Here it is:

Barry was able to resist Jonn, and all flashes can speed up their brains. Wally has resisted TP from Grood, though not without problems. He has been TP'd by Top though.