Martian-Manhunter Runs a Gauntlet(Telepathically)

Martain clears this for sure .

None of there minions cant defeat him

Hmm. Thor had some good TP resistance feats in the past like tanking Moondragon with mind gem during Blood and Thunder but I'm guessing he doesn't have that now. I'm thinking Sentry or Apoc.

Possibly stops at round 1.....

Stops at Robert probably.But doesn't beat Nate or Thanos

@ssj_god said:

that i can agree with.

He isn't beating Thanos... and did someone post that scan of Doctor Doom basically telling Emma to go **** herself, because she tried reading his mind but couldn't.

People have entered Sentry mind without his consent too though occasions are very rare. Mastermind was attributed to having telepathically manipulated Sentry into wiping the minds of everyone on the planet. That is probably the most damning feat of telepathic assault against Sentry.

There is also an un-named Inhuman mutant who read Sentry's mind and was relaying information to Black Bolt and Medusa when Sentry went to the moon.

Would that really count as breaking the forth wall when we actually see a fictional character Paul Jenkins who happens to be a comic book writer in the same series by Michael Bendis.

@sophia89: So what it was Loeb's era, still it wasn't Loeb, not that it matters considering Rulk in that time didn't fight Uatu, Thor and Silver Surfer yet... It's funny how people jump all over the place claiming Loebforce Rulk is overpowered and stuff when it was under Loeb's pencil that Rulk lost twice against Hulk, was about the get smacked by Thor considering Thor was holding back against him in both of their encounters, was humiliated by Xemnu into punching his own face, almost got killed by Wolverine and couldn't even scratch A-Bomb. Uatu wasn't even there to fight he was just there stating the planet was in danger and he wasn't supposed to fight there either considering he's NOT ALLOWED to intervene... I mean, that's the whole point of being a watcher.

Silver Surfer has no resistance to draining whatsoever, the Kree Empire, Arma'Cheddon, Red Hulk, Quasar and even Sakaar's subjugation disks drained him off his powers. He's literally a glass canon in those departments and considering Rulk has very high end feats of draining like being the only character capable of totally draining Banner off his Gamma radiation in seconds and leave him in Banner state for indefinite time. I mean, it was already explained Hulk is the living incarnation of the Cathexis Ray which had very high end cosmic and gamma absorbing capabilities.

Be my guest and believe whatever you want, but Loebforce is FAR from being that overpowered, hell, Bendis does a LOT worse with characters considering most of the times he doesn't even know how to portrait a character. So no... The instance is as legit as any legit instance can be.

@sophia89

Because Marvel created an Hoax for The Sentry's return. :)

@ghostravage

1) The title is "Hulk smash Avengers"

2) Nothing is said about The Sentry's mental state but he teams-up with Ares and Ms Marvel during Dark Reign so he is mentally unstable, as Bendis said that during Dark Reign The Sentry is never stable, but he takes no damages from Rulk.

"[...] There wasn't one second throughout the run of "Dark Avengers" where he was in control of himself. [...]"

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=26287

So pretending that Sentry was stable is a lack of knowledge about the character..

And according to the scans you provided Rulk hits The Sentry two times and Bob hits him 3 times...

3) You pretend that he is unable to take on him but Rulk is loosing the upper hand of the fight and has to use a bomb to quit the fight.

Conclusion : PLOT DEVICE. :)

Like I said the more these sentry fanboys post the more they hang themselves. The following scans show:

Emma revealing sentrys memories and sinking her telepathic claws into his mind and subconscious. Claiming Emma couldn't do anything to void right. And emma clearly saying the void was created by mastermind and is a psychic virus.

Claiming void mindraped Emma and Scott. Lie he was using their own minds to attack them like a virus he wasn't using telepathy because the point of he void trying to take Emma was to gain access to an omega level telepath. If he was stronger why would he need her power? Fanboys dont use logic remember that folks.

Claiming the void and sentry erased sentrys own memories. Lie reed richards and erased sentrys mind

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Because Marvel created an Hoax for The Sentry's return. :)

@ghostravage

The title is "Hulk smash Avengers". Nothing is said about The Sentry mental state. It's just a low showing for the plot device.

During Mighty Avengers, The Sentry is considered crazy by Iron Man and Miss Marvel. It's a factor of unstability.

Doctor Doom, always the ladies man.

Only real challenge on here is X-Man.

@why_you_mad_tho:

Like I said the more they post the more they hang themselves. The following scans show:

Emma revealing sentrys memories and sinking her telepathic claws into his mind and subconscious. Claiming Emma couldn't do anything to void right. And emma clearly saying the void was created by mastermind and is a psychic virus.

<<<<<<<< The Void is not a psychic virus. The Void is created by Bob when he can make a difference between delusions and reality because he is a schyzo.The "psychic virus" makes Bob belives that the World is attacked by the devil (The Void) when he use his powers so because Bob is a schyzo and a reality warper he creates what he believes is happening.

Claiming void mindraped Emma and Scott. Lie he was using their own minds to attack them like a virus he wasnt using telepathy because the point of he void trying to take Emma was to gain access to an omega level telepath. If he was stronger why would he need her power? Fanboys dont use logic.

<<<<<<<<<<< He is stronger. He is immune to telepathy. Why would he enslave Emma ? Because he can. Yeah so what must we understand ? You have no logic so...

Claiming the void and sentry erased sentrys own memories. Lie reed richards and erased sentrys mind

<<<<<<<<<< Try to make a real sentence. Bob erased the memories.

Again you are digging deeper...

That's hilarious. The martian sucks and he doesn't make it past 2. Hell he might not make it past 1 if someone can post some Doom telepathic resistance feats.

@realitywarper: So what that's the title? The series narrate 5 instances involving Hulk and the Avengers going from classic to current... The fact that Hulk literally punched the agoraphobia out of Sentry's head before this issue happened and the fact Sentry is once again operating along other superheroes without them fearing he might lose control is evidence of stability. Sentry could be considered crazy all he wants, if that was the real case, he wouldn't be dancing around innocent people after what happened in the World War Hulk event. Hell, he even encountered Hulk once again and was totally under control about 4 issues later.

It's funny every time Sentry is written like the weak character he is people starts claiming he wasn't stable. Im done.

Martian Manhunter clears, except for maybe Nate. Sentry's best telepathy feats are far inferior to MMH.

I hate when people will say someone is immune to telepathy, because some telepaths have been unable to read their minds. No telepath as powerful as MMH has ever tried to read Sentry's mind.

The agoraphobia don't weakens Sentry. It prevents him to move.

It's his natural anxiety disorder which weakens him.

Plot device.

1) It's an Hulk comics so it is for the plot device.

2) It's the Migthy Avengers team and I know what I am talking about :

[...]

Ms Marvel : "All the superheroes in the World and you want the most wobbly ?"

[..]

Iron Man : "Bob, in the right situation, will grow to be a Thor. He's this close to being on of the all-time greats and frankly I want to be there when he does it."

"It's funny every time Sentry is written like the weak character he is people starts claiming he wasn't stable. Im done."

<<<<<<<<<<< Actually he could lolstomp "the strongest there is" for breakfast when he is stable. He is often depowered to make the writing easier...
You are done Because The Sentry >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Hulk ????

Yeah some random telepaths... : (

@realitywarper: What telepath as powerful as MMH has failed to affect Sentry's mind? BTW MMH is more powerful (by a large margin) than Professor Xavier, Emma Frost, ect.

@thebourneposter: Sentry is a trascendant level character.

MMH is an herald.

@realitywarper: That's not even an argument. I will again ask for a Sentry feat against telepaths that prove he doesn't get telepathically stomped by MMH.

@realitywarper: The agoraphobia doesn't only prevents him from moving, it also makes his powers wave and that reason is precisely why you Sentry fans state he was weakened during World War Hulk, why so many double standards...

Hulk wasn't even there and the series narrated past instances, it does not matter if it's a Hulk comic considering in most of the instances in the series the Avengers only had trouble with Hulk but he didn't manage to beat them, hell even Vision made fun of Hulk during the series. That's a quite WEAK argument, even more considering World War Hulk instances are being named here and there all the time by you Sentry fans and not only that was a Hulk series, but a freaking Marvel Event totally pointed to him. Double standards once again...

What's your evidence about Sentry being mentally unstable there? You only have statements of people that didn't trust him in the first place precisely because he was mentally unstable before that instance, but during Mighty Avengers he didn't show any kind of wavering in his powers and he fought Savage Hulk and Wendigo'd Savage Hulk into a stand still without doubting about his powers about 4 issues afterwards.

You have no proof about Sentry being unstable in that instance besides those 2 statements that weren't even referring to that precise moment but explaining how Sentry is consistently unstable, yet, he didn't showed to be unstable during Hulk Smash Avengers and he sure as hell didn't showed to be unstable during his fight with Hulk... In a Hulk issue...

There was enough arguments and proofs above. Your opinion doesn't matter.

@realitywarper: Lol okay. Martian Manhunter, based on feats, could embarrass Sentry telepathically. Your opinion doesn't matter.

Based on feats MMH can't enter in Sentry's mind without his consent. It was proved above.

@realitywarper: Because inferior telepaths failed to do so?

Clearly you have no idea who MM is.

@realitywarper:

Sentry was utterly weakened in WWH, he spends 29 hours with agoraphobic issues in his home and moved only because he had no other choice, and wanted Hulk to stops him because he lost control of his powers.

This is from your locked and delusional thread about Sentry being weakened during World War Hulk, you're explicitly stating he spent 29 hours with agoraphobic issues. Why mention this phobia if it has NOTHING to do with the fact he was weakened. You have double standards and your intent to sell your delusional view about Sentry makes it pretty clear. So you should stop talking about things you don't know.

I don't give a f*ck about Hulk. :)

I said that Rulk leaved the place for the plot and it's what happened. He has not the powerset to take on that team. And I showed you that Sentry is considered unstable in that arc : The dialogue between Iron Man and Ms Marvel is VERY EXPLICIT so stop lowballing. XD

Conclusion again because you are slow to understand :

Rulk could leave that fight for plot reasons. ;)

Doesn't seem like it considering he's always brought up to the equation and you even created a thread exclusively to state Sentry was weakened, which is understandable, but also stating Hulk wasn't holding back, which is nonsense of the highest indole. So yeah, you care enough to waste your time and write down a bunch of baseless and reaching arguments about Hulk not holding back against him.

Sentry has always been like that, a very unstable character so it's normal people starts stating he's always like that, even more when he totally lost control in Manhattan few days before that issue, however, the fact that he didn't show any sign of mental anxiety during those issues, SPECIALLY when he fought Rulk, means there's no reason to believe he was mentally unstable there, even less considering he fought Savage Hulk later on.

Im not slow to understand, i understand this perfectly and i also understand im dealing with delusional people, woo-hoo.

Rulk left because he wanted to but who cares? The important thing is while Iron Man was stating every time Rulk fights he endangers innocent people, the Mighty Avengers couldn't deal with him, including Sentry... Why going easy on a Hulk that doesn't even care who gets harmed in his fights? That makes no sense. But hell, why would that make any sense to you.

They aren't inferior.

Omega-class telepaths don't have limits.

@realitywarper: Yes, they do, they also have far inferior feats to Martian Manhunter.

Sentry has always been a unstable character.Even Death Seed Sentry was unstable.That is just who he is.

You sound like a crazy person. Seriously. I've posted scans to everything stated and you basically just went nope didn't happen. I choose not to believe. Sentry is too awesome. You're stupid for not realizing how awesome sentry is. The scans are there for everyone to see so I literally have nothing to prove. And I'm not going to trade insults with someone who feels the need to lie about comic characters. Especially on Thanksgiving. So you can be someone else's problem. So later days bro. See you on the sane side.

@realitywarper:

His phobia has to do with his mental issues. There is no double standards. Just your poor understading of the characters and the story are your double standard. You are the only one delusional here and it is clear that my thread rustled your jimmies because since the beginning you never put anything substantial on the table to support your claims. :)

It is you who have a poor understanding of the story, i've dedicated way too much time to come to the conclusion the instance shouldn't be taken into account due to the amount of plot behind, but you feel eager to prove without ANY reliable evidence that Hulk wasn't holding back even trying to go against several occasions were Hulk was deliberately stated to be holding back.

Of course im the one with the jimmies rustled, they are so rustled i created a thread stating Hulk was holding back against Sentry... Oh! That's right, i don't need to create a thread because it was already stated multiple times in the run.

<<<<<<<<< It makes totaly senses. But you are impervious to the arguments of others, blinded and biased by your love of The Hulk.

Im not impervious to arguments of others, im impervious to yours considering im reading through the same old arguments people used back then to overhype Sentry. SHOW ME Sentry proving to be mentally unstable in the instance, SHOW ME Sentry being as powerful as you're claiming, SHOW ME Sentry doing half the things you Sentry fans state... I don't want character's statements, i don't want Tony stating Sentry is freaking God since literally all powerhouses have that kind of statements at least once in their publication.

I love Hulk, and i've argued against him more than once, actually, my impartiality is what makes me so good in what i do. So go with your weak arguments elsewhere.

The Rulk fled out of the battlefield. I don't get why you insist so much on a plot device.

He left the battlefield. But again, i fail to see how this is relevant considering Sentry couldn't do anything significant to Rulk when they were fighting. Likewise, i don't know why you insist so much in a point that has no relevancy whatsoever.

You are fast to get delusions and overhype your favorite characters. We got it.

LMAO!

Sentry was stated unstable since the exposition scene in the first Mighty Avengers I showed to you. He is always scared to loose control of his powers that is he always hold back his powers. The Avengers have the upper on him and he has to rely on a bomb to leave the fight. It seems that you don't know what a plot device is.

Anyway if you can prove to me that Rulk OR Hulk have any showings that place them even NEAR the level of The Sentry I would be glad to know. ;)

He wasn't scared, he just knew he couldn't cut loose, same as Superman, same as Hulk, same as pretty much every single powerhouse out there, how does that make Sentry any more special than the other powerhouses to claim he's above them? Even then, he could have ended the fight easily if he was as strong as you Sentry fans state... Not prove... State.

The Avengers didn't have the upperhand, they had the numbers but he kept slapping everyone around and they were pretty even, his intentions weren't fighting them for prolonged times, hell, he even mentions his plans to Banner later on. He couldn't waste time and that was blatantly showed in Pak's run. But i guess you're claiming baseless nonsense once again, such a pattern.

I can prove Hulk is Sentry's equal, hell, i can prove Hulk is Sentry's superior and that incarnations like the Green Scar could stomp him.

Yeah sure.
Stopping Nate Grey who's power wise close to the Dark Phoenix and Phoenix Force Rachel Grey is nothing.

So no. MMH is not impressive.

@why_you_mad_tho

You sound like a crazy person. Seriously. I've posted scans to everything stated and you basically just went nope didn't happen. I choose not to believe. Sentry is too awesome. The scans are there for everyone to see and i have nothing to prove. And I'm not going to trade insults with someone who feels the need to lie about comic characters, especially on Thanksgiving. So you can be someone elses problem. So later days bro. See you on the sane side.

You barely read my explanation. I didn't say it didn't happened, my answer was more complex than this : you choosed to put your fingers in your ears saying "LALALA". Really I don't care if you understand or not. I explain things for the reasonable users. And you pretend that I am insulting you. You are the one who did even I used some of my time to explain you the things. You can flee out if you want, you have ran out of arguments for a while.

I have been very respectful with you and at the first occasion you said this :

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@realitywarper: I do and you don't mastermind also erases memories and alters them. And his telepathy has been good enough to effect Xavier Emma and jean grey. And when his powers were amplified by Emma's machine he could effect the Phoenix.

Taking snip its of scans that have been posted in their entirety makes you look like a clown

But sure I am the one sounding like a crazy person now.

You are direspectful, wrong on your claim because you post scans where you interpretate without knowing the full context and lack of knowledge about the character and you pretend I am the one having problems...

Happy Thanksgiving ! ;)

I do especially because people can't seem to stop using the same feats for him. And knowing these feats like I know my own social security number I'm confident in saying the martian is without a doubt the martian is over rated. He has too many low showing against low level telepaths and even people with no telepathic abilities at all. If you're going to mention Mageddon, Spectre, visnhu, and White martians fair warning I've already proved those feats were lies in other threads.

@ghostravage: Isn't it cute how he gets all insulty when it's clearly obvious he's been caught lying?

@why_you_mad_tho: If you have any idea he would not be so low.Nobody here below Nate grey can match him in feats so spare me.

What about Mageddon did you say was a lie. I do not even know that feat but what about it you are saying is a lie???

@ghostravage said:

@realitywarper:

It is you who have a poor understanding of the story, i've dedicated way too much time to come to the conclusion the instance shouldn't be taken into account due to the amount of plot behind, but you feel eager to prove without ANY reliable evidence that Hulk wasn't holding back even trying to go against several occasions were Hulk was deliberately stated to be holding back.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< The time you spend on something don't make it true. Hulk stated he was holding back after the story and he clearly showed that he wasn't against Wolverine, saying that he can't kill him so no reason to hold back, even against The Sentry who's more durable than Wolverine.

Of course im the one with the jimmies rustled, they are so rustled i created a thread stating Hulk was holding back against Sentry... Oh! That's right, i don't need to create a thread because it was already stated multiple times in the run.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< But you didn't read my thread, you just came, read the titles, whined and left the thread. That's being rustled. ;)

Im not impervious to arguments of others, im impervious to yours considering im reading through the same old arguments people used back then to overhype Sentry.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yes you are. Being old don't invalid an argument. That just prove that you are biased sine a too long time. ;)

SHOW ME Sentry proving to be mentally unstable in the instance, SHOW ME Sentry being as powerful as you're claiming, SHOW ME Sentry doing half the things you Sentry fans state... I don't want character's statements, i don't want Tony stating Sentry is freaking God since literally all powerhouses have that kind of statements at least once in their publication.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< I did and I never used the statements of the characters that you are talking about. That's the difference between you and me : I read all the claims and everything about the characters. One more proof that you just came in my thread without reading it. ;)

I love Hulk, and i've argued against him more than once, actually, my impartiality is what makes me so good in what i do. So go with your weak arguments elsewhere.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Your attitude is just one more proof of your impartiality. ;) Fun fact is that you can't oppose your arguments to mine, even they are weaks my arguments exists. Better than characters statements with Hulk or Amadeus Cho saying that he is holding without paying attention about the context. Oh and you are the one pretending I use characters statements but that's the only thing that you did before leaving my thread ! FUN ! :D

He left the battlefield. But again, i fail to see how this is relevant considering Sentry couldn't do anything significant to Rulk when they were fighting. Likewise, i don't know why you insist so much in a point that has no relevancy whatsoever.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<< This whole story is irrelevant. :) PLOT DEVICE. It's not even worth to comment it.

You are fast to get delusions and overhype your favorite characters. We got it.

LMAO!

<<<<<<<<<<<<< You can laugh. It's true ! :D

He wasn't scared, he just knew he couldn't cut loose, same as Superman, same as Hulk, same as pretty much every single powerhouse out there,

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yes he is scared :

2) SCARED BY HIS OWN POWERS :

As I said, he is scared by his own powers :

Key quotes :

Iron Man : " [...] Without you we'll loose. [...] He's never been so angry."

The Sentry : "... Against an opponent so powerful...The amount of energy I'd have to expend... If I lost control, for even a millisecond..."

Tony : "You have the responsability, whether you cant it or not. [...]"

The Sentry is under pressure and clearly fear to kill everybody if he lost control of his powers fighting the Hulk : The side effect is that weakens him even more.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< And he let The Hulk hit him :

how does that make Sentry any more special than the other powerhouses to claim he's above them? Even then, he could have ended the fight easily if he was as strong as you Sentry fans state... Not prove... State.

<<<<<<<<<<<<< 1) That was an Hulk comics 2) Pak weakened him so the Hulk can have a chance

The narrator states it for me.

The Avengers didn't have the upperhand, they had the numbers but he kept slapping everyone around and they were pretty even, his intentions weren't fighting them for prolonged times, hell, he even mentions his plans to Banner later on. He couldn't waste time and that was blatantly showed in Pak's run. But i guess you're claiming baseless nonsense once again, such a pattern.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Don't waste time ? That's why The Hulk needed 7 hits to KO Wolverine and The Sentry just one : Even The Hulk can calculate the damages like Amadeus Cho... But I don't hope you to understand what is implied here. ;)

I can prove Hulk is Sentry's equal, hell, i can prove Hulk is Sentry's superior and that incarnations like the Green Scar could stomp him.

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< With lies and ignoring the scans concerning The Sentry like usual ?????????? I don't even expect you to read the half I posted here. I do it for the other users. ;)

The arguments for Sentry has my head hurting.Damn statements are feats???

Ghostravge is killing it...Bro,keep this up..They can't even counter you.I knew Sentry gets his face bashed in more often than not.Lol.....

@realitywarper said:

Yeah sure.

Stopping Nate Grey who's power wise close to the Dark Phoenix and Phoenix Force Rachel Grey is nothing.

So no. MMH is not impressive.

Compared to MMH, I'm not impressed.

He broke Mageddon's physic defenses on two occasions. Mageddon was capable of causing a planet inhabited by Old God's to kill each other, while light years away, and nearly destroying Hector Hammond's mind, again from light years away. He forced the Spectre onto the astral plane, and held the entire martian race back from the after life, subconsciously. There are many more, of course, but still.

@thebourneposter: Ans Sentry wiped out the mind of these omega-class characters.
The phoenix is said multiversal in power and Nate is close, Sentry wiped out his mind.

Emma Frost countered Nate TP.

@tensor: " If you have any idea he would not be so low.Nobody here below Nate grey can match him in feats so spare me.

What about Mageddon did you say was a lie. I do not even know that feat but what about it you are saying is a lie???"

Listen I'm going to say this without trying to sound like a jerk but you didn't read the comic. If you did you wouldn't make this argument. You just heard someone say it who heard someone say it who heard someone say it.

Xavier destroyed Nate summers as onslaught. He was beaten by Emma frost. He was beaten by sinister. Nate summers couldn't do anything to Xavier who shut down Thor who resisted the mind gem. the xavier who shut down the minds of a being powered by 30 cosmic cubes. Never mind the many Phoenix battles he's won. And before you mention the often mentioned fight in x man Xavier clearly states he didn't want to hurt Nate and pretended to be dead to avoid a fight. All Nate did was show Xavier how to become onslaught.

Martian didn't anything to mageddon. He scanned supermans mind who was missing and found he was under telepathic attack mageddon. He was immeditedly discovered and maggedon shut down the Martian and had him screaming in pain. He then like a little whimp had to have batman take most of the telepathic attack when he looked for superman the second time. This whole feat has been blown out of proportion. Never mind the fact that a powerless green lantern broke maggedons hold. Along with lex and superman. In the great words of the doctor " got anything else"

Still say he doesn't get past Doom. Doom doesn't really have an offensive TP feats, granted, however his mental defenses are second to none. That added to the fact that he has arguably the strongest will in the Marvel Universe I just don't see MMH getting into his head. As stated by the op a stalemate counts as a stopping point in the gauntlet.

Oh, and all of this is still about Sentry amirite lol?

Honestly it shouldn't be this big of a debate...

If you believe writer's intent, then MMH stops at him.

If you are looking for a clear TP resistance feat from someone on MMH's level, then you're not going to find it so MMH beats him.

It's as simple as that.

@why_you_mad_tho: You were talking about the mageddon scan first off.I just ask about it to see if you have proper knowledge on what happen but you do not.

It shows you do not know nothing about that feat.If you did an read the comic MM was shielding batman from getting into contact with Mageddon directly.

The fact that you think that he use batman mind to take the attack is ridiculous.

You can even see in one scan Jonn getting hurt and you see the steam from his ears.

Batman most of the time could not tell what was going on in the scan Jonn had to be tell him what is going on.

John has more than 1 occasion scan everybody on earth better than Charles.No Cerebro needed.

He has tap into High Reality warper mind before.

J'onn's mind was subconsciously keeping the souls of the entire Martian race all of them telepaths stranded on the living plane and unable to move on to the afterlife. He lets them go.

Thor has been mind control tons of times in comics.

Tell me again who other than Nate has a chance???