Martian Manhunter {fernus} Vs Thanos,Apocalypse

Fight on moon,no bfr.

I think Fernus

If TP works on Thanos then Fernus..and if not then there isn't much Fernus can do to take the Titan down.

Thanos starts by pimp slapping Apocalypse head off as a warm up and then beats Fernus in a hard fight

It's basically Fernus vs Thanos.

Apocalypse could put up a fight but he doesn't have to lift a finger cause thanos will own fernus.

Team in a tough fight.

Thanos solos in a very difficult match up. Apocalypse isn't really much of a factor here, these two are out of his league.

Fernus and Thanos power-up and Apocalypse dies.

Originally I would have said Fernus wins fairly handily, but seeing Thanos feat against Ego recently, I'm not so sure now.......

Fernus wins in a good battle.

Thanos solos in a very good fight.

Thanos ain't besting Fernus. He can't stop him

Thanos beats Fernus by himself.

Thanos solo's, team win.

Thanos would beat Fernus without Apocalypse's assitance.

Fernus

@highaccuser thoughs?

Thanos probably solos.

J'onn

Thanos backhands Fernus

MMH takes this

@drfate: What attacks does Fernus have that can defeat Thanos?

Unless anyone can show me feats indicating apocalypse is a threat here, it's between Thanos and Fernus which Fernus will win.

@highaccuser: You don't need feats when you've got Celestial-tech, amirite?

@highaccuser: fernus can't beat thanos one on one.

No, you're wrong.

Yes he can. For one thing he can drag Thanos to the astral plane and beat him telepathically by virtue of being better in that area, he can mess up Thanos' insides or fuse him to the earth. He can use size changing to become a physical match for Thanos. He can turn invisible or use shape-shifiting to either mess around with Thanos or do what he did to Ultraman.

@highaccuser: thanos is a powerful telepath in his own right he can matter manipulate better than fernus and can grow to giant size as well and is already stronger than fernus.

@comic_book_fan: Unless I'm mistaken, Thanos has about a grand total of two feats featuring matter-manipulation; against a common Skrull, and restructuring a house.

Not terribly impressive.

a skrull is a shape shifting alien just like martians

@pooty: With absolutely no feats, much less any that can approach what's essentially a bloodlusted Martian on crack that solo'd The Justice League as easily as scratching his own ass.

All skrulls have complete control over their size, shape, color etc. Yet Thanos was easily able to matter manipulate him. What feats does MM have against molecular manipulation?

This is Fernus vs Thanos for all intents and purposes, and I think Fernus wins.

Jmarshmallow

@pooty: I know what Skrulls are capable of.

That doesn't speak of(the extent of) their resistance to it, and doesn't translate to doing the same against a being exponentially more powerful.

The question is "when has Thanos used it often enough for it to be a viable tactic in character, and against someone as formidable as Fernus?".

I think Thanos....I mean the team take it.

@xiix: Strength and power have nothing to do with being resistant to matter manipulation. Superman is not automatically more resistant to transmutation just because he is more powerful then Captain America. Thanos has shown that he can transmute aliens who can shapeshift. MM would have to show why he would be more resistant. and I'm not debating whether Thanos would use that tactic. I'm saying if he did, it would work

@comic_book_fan:

@highaccuser: thanos is a powerful telepath in his own right

But in a telepathic fight with Fernus, he will ultimately lose.

he can matter manipulate better than fernus

Fernus doesn't matter manipulate at all actually. He can control his own meolceuls enough to resist matter manipulation

and can grow to giant size as well and is already stronger than fernus.

Since when can Thanos change his size? This is complete news to me. Fernus can become just as strong as he is with Shape-shifting.

@pooty: Flash has never stolen speed from anyone more powerful than Amazo.

We don't automatically assume he can do it to The Destroyer because The Destroyer's "never exhibited resistance to having it's momentum stolen, and Flash has done it to an extremely powerful machine before".

The Flash statement is false. Flash stole speed from the anti monitor. Flash also stole speed from an entire planet and every single superhuman on the planet. We also don't assume that the destroyer armor is automatically immune to speed steal. also The Destroyer Armor is magic based. Magic works on a different level then most regular things. But we are talking about MM and a skrull. Two species who can control their molecules. You have not stated a legit reason why martians are more resistant to matter manipulation then Skrulls are. Gray Gargoyle turned Thor to stone with a touch. Would not the same happen to franklin richards? Is it stated or shown in any comic that strength/power makes a person more resistant to matter manipulation?

Thanos still solo's, Apocalypse isn't needed.

@pooty: Wally didn't speed steal Anti-Monitor

@xiix: I got your reply in my notifications but it does not show up here. Did you delete it? Still, as far as Thanos vs MM is concerned. Thanos has shown that he can manipulate the molecules of a shape shifter. So it is proven that Thanos can do that to some degree. You have to prove that MM is somehow resistant to molecular manipulation to any degree.

Fernus

@pooty: I don't know what happened(I saw it here, now it's not, for whatever reason).

Anyway, we can agree to disagree.

I remain otherwise unconvinced he's capable as it concerns to Martian-Manhunter, and you the converse.

And no, The Flash NEVER stole The Anti-Monitor's speed.

If you don't believe me, then ask Dreduced.

During the Celestial Quest, he stole the life force from others to amp Reptyl and turn him into a "god". That admittedly might have a quasi-spiritual/ magic bend to it vs Matter Manipulation, but it is a feat.

I think we all can agree that Apocalypse has no place in this fight though.

Matter Manipulation stop Martian Manhunter, he can do it to himself and would have no problem turning himself back.

Thanos

Interesting fight.

Thanos can manipulate/transmute others on a molecular level, including turning a Skrull into stone:

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Telepathically speaking, I don't know that I can equate Thanos on par with Fernus. However, I don't know that I'd say Fernus, despite his telepathic pedigree can do anything to a guy who has some impressive TP resistance feats.

To me, this fight comes down to a physical fight. While Fernus dusted off, quite brutally in fact, several white Martians locked in the Phantom Zone by the JLA, he was also eventually defeated by his own counter part, J'onn himself by being burned down to molecules.

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If Fernus' regeneration abilities were that great, it would not have taken him long to re-assimilate.

While some of Fernus' feats are very impressive, he is not in the same league as Thanos.

Thanos owns this fight.

The team

@kangconquers: Thanos has used matter manipulation on other occasions as well. He helped a dying alien with it. He healed Moondragon who was infected by bugs from negative zone. He has turned a print who turned against him into stone. He matter manipulated Quasimodo and trapped him inside his own ship.

Thanos

Fernus takes Apoc and clubs Thanos with him. After Thanos shrugs it off Fernus gets serious and turns him into a veggie, prob an eggplant looking one.