Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

Mandrakk (DC)

vs

Akhenaten (Marvel)

Who wins and why?

#1 Posted by czarny_samael666 (16888 posts) - - Show Bio

Mandrakk based on fights. Akhenaten based on possible powers and fight with Thanos with most power of HOTU.

#2 Posted by Bronze_Surfer (2960 posts) - - Show Bio
#3 Edited by Sethlol (1296 posts) - - Show Bio

Thinking Mandrakk.

#4 Edited by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

Anymore?

#5 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

slight edge to mandrakk

#6 Edited by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

anymore?

#7 Edited by SithLantern93 (1979 posts) - - Show Bio

Dax Novu takes it after a good fight. Rox Ogama gets squashed.

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#8 Posted by Thedarklordpandamonium (4825 posts) - - Show Bio

Mandrakk was beaten by an army of supermen and green lanterns even after a significant power boost...Akhenaten takes this.

#9 Edited by The_Titan_Lord (4517 posts) - - Show Bio

Akhenaten

#10 Posted by SithLantern93 (1979 posts) - - Show Bio

Mandrakk was beaten by an army of supermen and green lanterns even after a significant power boost...Akhenaten takes this.

That was Rox Ogama and I already said Ogama would get squashed. Dax Novu would beat him though.

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#11 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@thedarklordpandamonium said:

Mandrakk was beaten by an army of supermen and green lanterns even after a significant power boost...Akhenaten takes this.

That was Rox Ogama and I already said Ogama would get squashed. Dax Novu would beat him though.

No actually that was Dax Novu and it's pretty obvious since he called Nix Uotan his son.

#12 Posted by TheIrishDoctor (439 posts) - - Show Bio

What are Akhenaten's feats? I'm not familiar with him.

#13 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

What are Akhenaten's feats? I'm not familiar with him.

He appeared in the story arc "Marvel: The End" in that story me was chosen by the Celestial Order (A group of Aliens) to wield a piece of the Heart of The Universe (A object that contains most of TOAA's powers) and he used it to go to Earth to remake his Egyptian empire.

He killed the X-Men, the Avengers and made the cosmic beings scared of him.

He was stopped when Thanos had all of the power of the Heart of The Universe and stomped him and then Thanos let Dr Doom destroyed the ship that took him away.

#14 Posted by lordraiden (6895 posts) - - Show Bio

Akhenaten fairly easily with the power he possessed.

#15 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

Akhenaten fairly easily with the power he possessed.

But he only had a part of the HOTU not all of it unlike Thanos.

#16 Posted by lordraiden (6895 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordraiden said:

Akhenaten fairly easily with the power he possessed.

But he only had a part of the HOTU not all of it unlike Thanos.

Exactly, and look at what he did with that portion! He pretty much destroyed the gods, except for Zeus & King Thor, who jumped through a portal created by Zeus at the last moment cause he saw it coming and escaped getting incinerated with the rest of the pantheon of gods! As stated, he only did that with a portion of the hotu. He was looking to do what thanos did, but got beaten to it.

#17 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

@lordraiden:

these gods aren't even remotely compared to mandrakk who held the power of 52 universes.

#18 Posted by New_World_Order (12338 posts) - - Show Bio

I remember Akhenaten killed all the Sky Father's except King Thor and Zeus who flee'd through a portal.

#19 Posted by SithLantern93 (1979 posts) - - Show Bio

@sithlantern93 said:
@thedarklordpandamonium said:

Mandrakk was beaten by an army of supermen and green lanterns even after a significant power boost...Akhenaten takes this.

That was Rox Ogama and I already said Ogama would get squashed. Dax Novu would beat him though.

No actually that was Dax Novu and it's pretty obvious since he called Nix Uotan his son.

Dude,Dax Novu fell to Superman with Cosmic Armour and in the last scans of Superman Beyond, we saw Rox Ogama claiming the mantle of Mandrakk and turning Ultraman into vampire.

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#20 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackknight said:

@sithlantern93 said:
@thedarklordpandamonium said:

Mandrakk was beaten by an army of supermen and green lanterns even after a significant power boost...Akhenaten takes this.

That was Rox Ogama and I already said Ogama would get squashed. Dax Novu would beat him though.

No actually that was Dax Novu and it's pretty obvious since he called Nix Uotan his son.

Dude,Dax Novu fell to Superman with Cosmic Armour and in the last scans of Superman Beyond, we saw Rox Ogama claiming the mantle of Mandrakk and turning Ultraman into vampire.

It's Dax Novu! even his comicvine page say it's Dax Novu!

Rox Ogama only appeard in the first issue in the main Final Crisis series! Dax Novu appeard in issue 7 and that scans from issue 7!

#21 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3424 posts) - - Show Bio

Mandrakk wins, he feeds off of universes. Even with the full HotU Akhenaten wouldn't be able to win. It's gave Thanos most of "Gods" power in te 616, it wasn't multiversal like people keep implying. That's been proven time and time again.

#22 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

Mandrakk wins, he feeds off of universes. Even with the full HotU Akhenaten wouldn't be able to win. It's gave Thanos most of "Gods" power in te 616, it wasn't multiversal like people keep implying. That's been proven time and time again.

The HOTU wouldn't beat Mandrakk?!?!??!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

You obviously don't know what the Heart of the Universe actually is don't you.

Ignore the Universe part, the HOTU is actually called Heart of the Infinite, it an omniversal object and it is a very powerful object, the most powerful object in Marvel and nabby all of fiction and it is a piece of TOAA and it gives who ever is wielding it vast omnipotents and pretty much make who ever is wielding it on par with TOAA.

To prove how powerful it is here's a scan!

As you can see Thanos with the full power of the HOTU defeated the Living Tribunal! and the Living Tribunal would make mince meat out of Mandrakk and anyone in DC (expect for the Presence, Elaine Belloc, GEB, Over-Monitor and nabby both Lucifer & Michael).

#23 Edited by Supermanwithatan01 (3424 posts) - - Show Bio

@jackknight: lol I'm well aware of what it is. The actual Living Tribunal didn't mess with Thanos because he wasn't a threat to the Multiverse. There's a thread on the vine that explains its actual power, you should probably check it out.

#24 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

lol I'm well aware of what it is. The actual Living Tribunal didn't mess with Thanos because he wasn't a threat to the Multiverse. There's a thread on the vine that explains its actual power, you should probably check it out.

tell me exactly where is this stated? there's not a shred of evidence to indicate this, more-so OHOTMU confirms this in his own bio (which iirc, was presented to you by another user in a previous thread).

#25 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3424 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: HOTU Thanos destroyed all reality, the universe. One would think that if one was being bonded with all realities and absorb everything, the multiverse would be gone. Yet, the universe is only destroyed, as stated by Thanos in Marvel The End #1 and by Warlock in Marvel The End #6. Warlock further states that the 616 universe was restored. There is a living tribunal in every reality, however there's only one Living Tribunal who's second only the God (toaa). Read Marvel: the End. At no point is the multiverse discussed just the realities of the 616 Universe.

#26 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: HOTU Thanos destroyed all reality, the universe. One would think that if one was being bonded with all realities and absorb everything, the multiverse would be gone. Yet, the universe is only destroyed, as stated by Thanos in Marvel The End #1 and by Warlock in Marvel The End #6. Warlock further states that the 616 universe was restored. There is a living tribunal in every reality, however there's only one Living Tribunal who's second only the God (toaa). Read Marvel: the End. At no point is the multiverse discussed just the realities of the 616 Universe.

No there is no other Living Tribunal in the omniverse only one! he is called the Judge of all of reality for a reason!!!!!!! He is second to TOAA (with the exception of guys like Both Pre-Retcon Beyonder & Molecule Man and Protégé) so if you can beat him then you have to be omniversal and right up there with TOAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#27 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3424 posts) - - Show Bio
#28 Posted by rolldestroyer (3508 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: HOTU Thanos destroyed all reality, the universe. One would think that if one was being bonded with all realities and absorb everything, the multiverse would be gone. Yet, the universe is only destroyed, as stated by Thanos in Marvel The End #1 and by Warlock in Marvel The End #6. Warlock further states that the 616 universe was restored. There is a living tribunal in every reality, however there's only one Living Tribunal who's second only the God (toaa). Read Marvel: the End. At no point is the multiverse discussed just the realities of the 616 Universe.

you're not getting the point.......it doesn't really matter what thanos destroyed and recreated, because the fact that he over-powered someone like the living tribunal speaks volumes.

no there isn't LT in every reality, he exists in all of them simultaneously, fantastic four annual #23

his own bio (2006 all new OHOTMU #6) confirms that thanos destroyed him (upper right corner)

until you actually provide evidence that this wasn't the real LT your argument is completely pointless.

#29 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio
#30 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3424 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: the key point isn't the LT, it's The actual story. The living tribunal obviously isn't dead. That's irrelevant to the main point. Post a single scan of Thanos stating he's a multiversal presence now and ill concede gladly. I'm not even claiming to be an expert, I've just read The end and people stating things that didn't actually happen. Everything about it being more than the 616 is conjecture. I don't have to post anything because I'm the one challenging the point of him being multiversal. If you can't then we have nothing to discuss

#31 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@supermanwithatan01 said:

@rolldestroyer: HOTU Thanos destroyed all reality, the universe. One would think that if one was being bonded with all realities and absorb everything, the multiverse would be gone. Yet, the universe is only destroyed, as stated by Thanos in Marvel The End #1 and by Warlock in Marvel The End #6. Warlock further states that the 616 universe was restored. There is a living tribunal in every reality, however there's only one Living Tribunal who's second only the God (toaa). Read Marvel: the End. At no point is the multiverse discussed just the realities of the 616 Universe.

you're not getting the point.......it doesn't really matter what thanos destroyed and recreated, because the fact that he over-powered someone like the living tribunal speaks volumes.

no there isn't LT in every reality, he exists in all of them simultaneously, fantastic four annual #23

his own bio (2006 all new OHOTMU #6) confirms that thanos destroyed him (upper right corner)

until you actually provide evidence that this wasn't the real LT your argument is completely pointless.

#32 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3424 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: @jackknight: you'll have to forgive me, I'm not really big into the ambiguously powerful artifacts. It always becomes a battle of semantics. I don't care enough about it to debate just stating that I never came across anything in the end that clearly stated he was a multiversal power. If I'm wrong. Apologies. If anyone knew for sure it'd be killemall he's the Thanos guru.

#33 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: @jackknight: you'll have to forgive me, I'm not really big into the ambiguously powerful artifacts. It always becomes a battle of semantics. I don't care enough about it to debate just stating that I never came across anything in the end that clearly stated he was a multiversal power. If I'm wrong. Apologies. If anyone knew for sure it'd be killemall he's the Thanos guru.

Then I guess this is a job for............ @killemall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

#34 Edited by Killemall (18173 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: @supermanwithatan01: @jackknight:

Thanos assumption that Thanos defeated and re-created Living Tribunal is well substantiated.

Give the fact that we see Living Tribunal Absorbed on panel. Marvel Handbook 2006 bio of Eternity, Infinity and Living Tribunal perfectly collaborates it. Thanos Source perfectly collaborates it. Marvel Handbook 2006 , and 2010 entry of Thanos also perfectly collaborates it.

I would need some pretty decent proof to suggest it wasnt an "actual" living tribunal that Thanos faced and defeated.

And its that feat that shows he was multiversal.

Furthermore, we have Thanos 01 where Thanos compares various powers up he has got, Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gauntlet and Heart of The Infinity, and summaries Heart Of the Infinity to be more powerful. If you are interested, i can actually site a couple of multiversal feat from Infinity Gauntlet itself.

Starlin in his interview (i will have to actually look for it) made it pretty clearly that Heart of The Infinity was meant to be mythical finality of absolute power, surprisingly though Thanos 01 AR video calls it the mythical finality of the ultimate nullifier.

Barring that LT showing rest are spot on. His feats are limited to reality 4321 and 4321 only, however given he first absorbed every single abstract, barring death in 616 within him, and the universe was left with nothing in it. Then Thanos gives away his powers to heal the universe, but in doing so seemingly re-creates every abstracts in the universe back again , its power cant just be universal.

#35 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3424 posts) - - Show Bio

@rolldestroyer: @supermanwithatan01: @jackknight:

Thanos assumption that Thanos defeated and re-created Living Tribunal is well substantiated.

Give the fact that we see Living Tribunal Absorbed on panel. Marvel Handbook 2006 bio of Eternity, Infinity and Living Tribunal perfectly collaborates it. Thanos Source perfectly collaborates it. Marvel Handbook 2006 , and 2010 entry of Thanos also perfectly collaborates it.

I would need some pretty decent proof to suggest it wasnt an "actual" living tribunal that Thanos faced and defeated.

And its that feat that shows he was multiversal.

Furthermore, we have Thanos 01 where Thanos compares various powers up he has got, Cosmic Cube, Infinity Gauntlet and Heart of The Infinity, and summaries Heart Of the Infinity to be more powerful. If you are interested, i can actually site a couple of multiversal feat from Infinity Gauntlet itself.

Starlin in his interview (i will have to actually look for it) made it pretty clearly that Heart of The Infinity was meant to be mythical finality of absolute power, surprisingly though Thanos 01 AR video calls it the mythical finality of the ultimate nullifier.

Barring that LT showing rest are spot on. His feats are limited to reality 4321 and 4321 only, however given he first absorbed every single abstract, barring death in 616 within him, and the universe was left with nothing in it. Then Thanos gives away his powers to heal the universe, but in doing so seemingly re-creates every abstracts in the universe back again , its power cant just be universal.

You should be a mod. Thanks for the help. I wasn't sure on the Lt thing but like I said, the on panel feats don't really suggest Multiversal from what was happening with Warlock and Thanos. And then based how the End, ended it wasn't very clear. I was very curious of whether he (Starlin) was hinting at something more by calling it the "nullifier" you know? I guess not but it confused me quite a bit. In any event I found all the references too ambiguous for my taste. I'm not really into the cosmic all powerful stories anyway so if anyone knew it'd be you.

#36 Posted by lordraiden (6895 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm curious as to why a few here believe that Mandrakk power equals part of the power of the hotu?

#37 Edited by Killemall (18173 posts) - - Show Bio


You should be a mod. Thanks for the help. I wasn't sure on the Lt thing but like I said, the on panel feats don't really suggest Multiversal from what was happening with Warlock and Thanos. And then based how the End, ended it wasn't very clear. I was very curious of whether he (Starlin) was hinting at something more by calling it the "nullifier" you know? I guess not but it confused me quite a bit. In any event I found all the references too ambiguous for my taste. I'm not really into the cosmic all powerful stories anyway so if anyone knew it'd be you.

Thanks , although its more so on Thanos's knowledge than anything else.

On panel he did not do anything multiversal, but have to recall, Thanos (it was written with the intention of being 616, the reality was later relegated to being 4321) was reformed at this point. He was no longer a villian. He did not want to fight, what he did he did out of anger. He meant to do nothing in the issue, he just wanted to fix the universe, he says that outright to Eternity in the second last issue. Its just the fact that everyone opposed him was what angered him.

Since you have read the issue lets pull out a bio that collaborate what i am saying:

"the cosmic powers of the universe attacked Thanos, who accidently destroyed the universe in a burst of anger"

That can be used to bridge why he doesnt have a lot of feat, alongside the fact that he barely had the power for 2 issues.

Starlin never linked it with ultimate nullifier, i am guessing Jason Arron somehow did.

First lets put the link to AR video that i am talking about. The link below will give you the marvel video that will appear if you scan your iphone above Thanos Rising 1 "AR" symbol

Among powerful weapons Thanos got (00:33 onwards) the weapons listed are:

1. Cosmic Cube.

2. Infinity Gauntlet and

3. Mythical Finality of the Ultimate Nullifier.

I am guessing its a mistake but meh who know perhaps marvel has some better idea.

Its pretty ambigious i agree, but you gotta admit, Starlin already had Thanos more powerful than everyone in the universe barring Living Tribunal (and of course TOAA) during Infinity Gaunlet saga, both cosmic and mystical being (at least one mystical realm erased and remade with the power output of 4 gems was Crimson Cosmos). It would be needless to go further in a story , which is pretty much identical to previous, if it wasnt going to be of a bigger scope.

#38 Posted by Supermanwithatan01 (3424 posts) - - Show Bio

@killemall: oh I agree with everything you said. Thanos has to be to Starlin what Barry is to Johns. More so in many ways. Thanks for your knowledge on the subject, it's greatly appreciated. Check out this thread for me when ya can! http://www.comicvine.com/forums/battles-7/this-picture-runs-the-gauntlet-1471126/

Thank you!

#39 Edited by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio

I'm curious as to why a few here believe that Mandrakk power equals part of the power of the hotu?

Because Akhenaten only had a piece of the HOTU unlike Thanos who had all of it.

#42 Posted by JackKnight (2969 posts) - - Show Bio