#1 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

Manchester Black vs Doctor Doom

Rules for this battle go as followed

  • No BFR
  • Morals Off (Not like they have any)
  • Random encounter, no knowledge of each other
  • No allies of external resources
  • Standard gear, weapons, armour and equipment for both
  • Battle is won by Death, Incapacitation, K.O. or Surrender
  • Both in good health and at full power

Battle takes place here

Gotham city, 10:30 pm town square

  • Few bystanders, all of them driving in vehicles
  • Fully interactive environment
  • Once again, no BFR
  • battle must be kept within city limits
  • No Batman, he took the day off to go explore mexican caves

WHO WINS?

#2 Posted by JonSmith (3995 posts) - - Show Bio

Giving it to Doom. Because ALL FALL BEFORE DOOM!

#3 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@JonSmith: any legit reasons?

#4 Posted by comic_book_fan (5539 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom has to versitile a skill set a simple holding spell and doom can kill him when ever he wants.

#5 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: you don't think that black would just read his mind?

#6 Posted by comic_book_fan (5539 posts) - - Show Bio

he would have to get through a ton of defences first and doom could kill him to fast.

#7 Posted by Esquire (3833 posts) - - Show Bio

Black can probably crush Doom's brain before the Doctor tries anything serious. Although I'm not particularly well read as far as Doom's performance in actual combat goes.

#8 Posted by Kimikirai (954 posts) - - Show Bio

@CalebHara: Manchester can't. Dr. Doom's willpower makes it impossible to read his mind or even control him (even using chemical agents or powers ie. Purpleman).

#9 Posted by comic_book_fan (5539 posts) - - Show Bio

well he is extremely good at magic has telepathic dampners in his armor has iron will and intellect all at which can protect him from telepathic attacks.

#10 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5008 posts) - - Show Bio

The answer is always DOOM! You insult DOOM with this battle!

#11 Posted by whacknasty (5608 posts) - - Show Bio
@Kimikirai said:

@CalebHara: Manchester can't. Dr. Doom's willpower makes it impossible to read his mind or even control him (even using chemical agents or powers ie. Purpleman).

Nice scan!
#12 Posted by Dextersinister (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

@Kimikirai: Not correct high willpower is merely a resistance against telepathy and Manchester Black is on a much higher pay grade than Emma but that's irrelevant Black can crush him in his suit with a thought.

#13 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@comic_book_fan: @whacknasty: But how does doom do against TK? especially a Telekinetic as powerful as Black?

#14 Posted by e3zombie (720 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom

#15 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: Is black really powerful enough to manipulate Doom's armour?

#16 Posted by New_World_Order (12924 posts) - - Show Bio

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM.

#17 Posted by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

Morals on Doom treats Manchester Black like a pathetic toy.

Morals off Doom turns Manchester Black into a smear on the ground.

#18 Posted by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

@Kimikirai: Not correct high willpower is merely a resistance against telepathy and Manchester Black is on a much higher pay grade than Emma but that's irrelevant Black can crush him in his suit with a thought.

Emma Frost was able to affect telepathy-resistant meta's the same way Manchester was able to affect Superman.

Black is nothing special in a random encounter with Doom.

#19 Posted by jackofspades (1860 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

The answer is always DOOM! You insult DOOM with this battle!

lol this

#20 Posted by Shawnbaby (10592 posts) - - Show Bio

Fighting Doom is like Fighting Iron Man, Reed Richards and Doctor Strange all at the same time.

#21 Posted by therainmaker (117 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom, with relative ease. He has amazing defence against Manchester blacks powers where as Black has no defence against Doom's powers.. especially magic.

#22 Posted by Dextersinister (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

@Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper said:

@Dextersinister said:

@Kimikirai: Not correct high willpower is merely a resistance against telepathy and Manchester Black is on a much higher pay grade than Emma but that's irrelevant Black can crush him in his suit with a thought.

Emma Frost was able to affect telepathy-resistant meta's the same way Manchester was able to affect Superman.

Black is nothing special in a random encounter with Doom.

Black has been able to mind control a large group of named villain's while continuing about his business it takes focus for Emma to control even one.

@CalebHara said:

@Dextersinister: Is black really powerful enough to manipulate Doom's armour?

He doesn't need to he's telekinetic, Doom's still a squishy man inside it.

#23 Posted by Dextersinister (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

@therainmaker said:

Doom, with relative ease. He has amazing defence against Manchester blacks powers where as Black has no defence against Doom's powers.. especially magic.

What defenses does he have against telekinesis?

#24 Posted by Captain_Awesome85 (452 posts) - - Show Bio

DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

#25 Posted by AngryHulks (3001 posts) - - Show Bio
#26 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7013 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: Well Doom's shields have protected him from Susan's powers. She can use them to place a bubble in his suit or head because the shield won't let it through. So would it be too far fetched to think that the same thing would happen with tk? Not saying that Doom wins but it would be kind of silly if telekinesis would get past his shields since he has fought X-men in the past.

#27 Posted by dondave (35990 posts) - - Show Bio

Kneel Before Doom

#28 Posted by charlieboy (7158 posts) - - Show Bio

I don't really see Manchester Black having a chance here.

#29 Posted by Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper (597 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister said:

@Azathoth_The_Dread_Sleeper said:

@Dextersinister said:

@Kimikirai: Not correct high willpower is merely a resistance against telepathy and Manchester Black is on a much higher pay grade than Emma but that's irrelevant Black can crush him in his suit with a thought.

Emma Frost was able to affect telepathy-resistant meta's the same way Manchester was able to affect Superman.

Black is nothing special in a random encounter with Doom.

Black has been able to mind control a large group of named villain's while continuing about his business it takes focus for Emma to control even one.

Again.... nothing special.

Purple Man was affecting the whole Earth while chained up and having a conversation with Doom, and STILL couldn't bring himself to affect the latter.

#30 Edited by Dextersinister (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Dextersinister: Well Doom's shields have protected him from Susan's powers. She can use them to place a bubble in his suit or head because the shield won't let it through. So would it be too far fetched to think that the same thing would happen with tk? Not saying that Doom wins but it would be kind of silly if telekinesis would get past his shields since he has fought X-men in the past.

Susan's powers have always seemed to project out of her, telekinesis has the overpowered function of happening where you will it to.

The X-Men have very few decent telekinetic's, Jean rarely if ever used it in any of the competent game winning way's such as closing a man's air pipe or pinching his brain she treated merely as a form of psychic hand's and most writer's forget Pyslocke even has it. Manchester Black is an anti-villain and has used it to break apart part's of Superman's brain or simply explode heads from the inside out.

People picking Doom is just a sign of how overrated he is on this board, how boring a character would he be if he had an auto everything plot device built into his armour.

#31 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5008 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dexstersinister you want overated on this site just check out Flash and Batman battles. There is an easy explanation why Doom is protected against TK, Magic.

#32 Posted by The Stegman (23785 posts) - - Show Bio

Dr. Plot Device will probably find a way to win.

#33 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7013 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: I just don't think it as clear cut as Manchester just crushing his brain or armor with telekinesis. The way I think Manchester should do it is by using the terrain to his advantage, like tossing buildings and mind controlling the city to fight Doom. Doom's armor has been able to simulate powers to match Classic Surfer. So really do have my doubts about telekinesis just automatically going through his defenses.

#34 Posted by Dextersinister (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: The power of Dr Doom's armour is a good deal lower than the SS. Either he is drained there or that is a seriously low showing for the Surfer, Doom's armour has had trouble with the Thing on multiple occasion's energy and all.

#35 Posted by Smart_Dork_Dude (2633 posts) - - Show Bio

NO ONE CAN DEFEAT DOOM!!!!!

#36 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7013 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: I don't remember Doom every having any trouble with Ben Grimm at all. Ben Grimm already has trouble beating Doombots, let alone even messing with Doom.

#37 Posted by Dextersinister (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf said:

@Dextersinister: I don't remember Doom every having any trouble with Ben Grimm at all. Ben Grimm already has trouble beating Doombots, let alone even messing with Doom.

Dr Doom and Thing have alway's been back and fourth when it come's to who can take down who and I am unsure about the context of that scan because he mention's having the power cosmic in it. The Dr normally gaining the win's through magic incantation's rather than the strength of his armour.

#38 Posted by OmgOmgWtfWtf (7013 posts) - - Show Bio

@Dextersinister: Given how those scans are I wouldn't really hold them at face value anymore. Doom does this to Ben nowadays whenever he gets too close. Doom barely uses magic when he fights the Fantastic Four.

#39 Posted by Dextersinister (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

@OmgOmgWtfWtf: He doesn't actually get downed by the armour in any of those moment's, Ben is still normally presented as physically stronger than Doom in his armour and his strength is not on the level of Manchester Black's telekinesis which as it is should be be able to bypass his armour entirely because we can't assume immunity to unorthodox attack's.

Superman himself actually generate's a forcefield it's the reason his suit doesn't get shredded but it proved useless against telekinesis only his natural toughness all the way to the core held up.

#40 Posted by henryarguelles73 (54 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom, no contest. The technology in his mask blocks telepathic assaults...and even without the mask, he resisted an amped Purple Man at point-blank range. Black is dead.

#41 Posted by Lone_Wolf_and_Cub (5008 posts) - - Show Bio

DOOM is not amused that this thread isn't locked!

#42 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

DOOM is not amused that this thread isn't locked!

Why should this be locked? What is stopping Black from ripping his brain apart inside of his skull?

#43 Posted by CalebHara (2329 posts) - - Show Bio

@henryarguelles73 said:

Doom, no contest. The technology in his mask blocks telepathic assaults...and even without the mask, he resisted an amped Purple Man at point-blank range. Black is dead.

What is stopping black from ripping apart Doom's brain from inside his head? Sure he cant read his mind, he had the same problem with Superman. But did that stop him from "mucking about" with his brain? No. Besides that, his TK blasts can hurt Superman, knock him back, and even bring Superman to the point where he has trouble standing.

In one instance, his blast covers the distance of several city blocks. he can go toe-to-toe with a morals off Superman, and us TK shields to block Superman's punches. So tell me how this is not a contest?

#44 Posted by Dextersinister (5924 posts) - - Show Bio

@CalebHara said:

@Lone_Wolf_and_Cub said:

DOOM is not amused that this thread isn't locked!

Why should this be locked? What is stopping Black from ripping his brain apart inside of his skull?

So far there is no reason that I am aware, people just assume he will have a plot device but they aren't standard the writer hand's them out at the start of the issue.

#45 Posted by henryarguelles73 (54 posts) - - Show Bio

@CalebHara: Doom has a personal force field that is has stopped just about everything...and he's a sorcerer with time-travel tech built into his suit. Doom can literally end this fight before it even begins.

#46 Edited by GroovyAsh (162 posts) - - Show Bio

I know how tough Doom is, but I'm giving this to Manchester.

Manchester may not be able to read Doom's mind, but that's not stopping him from messing around with it.

#48 Posted by DarkRaiden (6895 posts) - - Show Bio

Doom stomps. He's resistance 100% to TP, and his forcefield will protect against TK as it does Susan's forcefield. Doom's DOES have the durability of Superman btw, in his armor and his forcefield.

Also Doom can timestop.