In the movies, Supercavill flying through the World Engine trumps any feats of Thorsworth regarding durability. Thorsworth needed his hammer to break through the glass of Nick Fury's "Boot". Supercavill broke through the world engine with his fist.
-I VERY MUCH DISAGREE WITH THIS STATEMENT. THOR DEFEATED THE DESTROYER ARMOR WITHOUT ANY AMP AND WITH LOKI OF ALL BEINGS CONTROLLING IT. SUPERCAVILL WAS ALSO DAZED BY A SMALL SHARD OF METAL WHEN ZOD WHACKED HIM WITH IT IN THE HEAD...AND THE PIECE OF METAL TOOK 0 DAMAGE AFTWARDS. A COMMON PIECE OF STEEL WAS TOO MUCH FOR SUPERMAN TO HANDLE BEING SMACKED WITH.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I didn't see anything in the Marvel movies that suggested Thorsworth's flight capabilities would match that of Supercavill in his first flight scene.
- THERE IS MORE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THOR BEING THE BETTER HAND TO HAND FIGHTER THAN CAVIL BY A MASSIVE MARGIN. THOR REPEATIDLY SAID HE HAD A TON OF BATTLE EXPERIENCE, HE IS A BRAWLER YES, BUT CAVIL HAS NO BATTLE EXPERIENCE AT ALL. NONE. 0%. IN FACT, A GIRL WHO HAS BEEN IN STASUS FOR 33 YEARS AND WITHOUT TRAINING FOR 33 YEARS WHOOPED HIM...WHOOPED HIM HARD WITHOUT ANY POWERS OF HER OWN AND RELYING SOLEY ON HER SUIT. CAVILL IS UNEDUCATED, HAS NO EXPERIENCE AT ALL AND NEVER WENT ON THAT SPIRITUAL JOURNEY THAT MOST VERSIONS OF SUPERMAN WENT THROUGH THE FIRST TIME THEY VISITED THE FORTRESS OF SOLITUDE. CAVIL WAS SCHOOLED BY ZOD IN HAND TO HAND COMBAT, WHO IN TURN WAS ABSOLUTELY OBLITERATED BY JOR EL 33 YEARS PRIOR.
Furthermore, Thorsworth didn't show speed capabilities remotely close to that of even Faora. Supercavill eventually did.
- I AGREE. IN TERMS OF BLITZ AND FLIGHT SPEED SHOWCASED IN THE MOVIE, SUPERMAN HAS THE EDGE. HOWEVER, THOR WHACKED THE DESTROYER ENERGY BEAMS AWAY LIKE IT WAS IN SLOW MOTION. TAKES A SERIOUS LEVEL OF REACTIONARY ABILITY TO SWAT A LARGE ENERGY BEAM WITH A SMALL HAMMER LIKE IT WAS A BASEBALL.
Thorsworth taking a punch from Hulk (or as I like to call him, Ruffahulk) in The Avengers is way different than taking a punch from him in the comics. The Avengers version of him is as watered down as American Beer.
- I THINK IT IS VASTLY MORE IMPRESSIVE TO STOP A 50 TON BEHEMOTH MOVING AT 100+ MPH DEAD IN ITS TRACKS WITH ONE PUNCH, VS CAVIL WHO WAS UNABLE TO BRACE A FEW HUNDRED TONS FROM FALLING OVER IN THE OIL TANKER SCENE. THE TOWER WAS NOT VERY LARGE, IT WAS PRETTY SMALL AND VIENS WERE POPPING ALL OVER HIS NECK AND HEAD, HE WAS STRUGGLING AND ULTIMATELY FAILED MISERABLY IN JUST BRACING IT, NO CHANCE HE COULD LIFT THAT WEIGHT.
Thorsworth got punched by Ruffahulk (on the helicarrier) and bled. Thorsworth got stabbed by Loki (cant think of a good name for him), and bled. Supercavill got dragged through Metropolis/Kansas by Shannozod, violated by Faora and Non, and that man's hair stayed as pristine as a freshly groomed 1980's John Travolta.
- CAVIL GOT WHACKED IN THE NOGGIN WITH A STEEL I-BEAM RAIL AND WAS DAZED FOR A FEW SECONDS, THE PIECE OF STEEL HAD NO DAMAGE AT ALL TO IT AFTER IT HIT HIM. CAVIL WAS COMPLETELY RENDERED USELESS AFTER A 12 TON OR SO TRAIN CABOOSE CAR LANDED ON HIM AFTER IT WAS LOBBED SLOWLY. IT COMPLETELY DROPPED HIM OUT OF THE PICTURE FOR A GOOD LONG WHILE. HIS SUIT TOOK THE BRUNT OF THE DRAGGING AND IMPACT, BUT FEORA WAS COMPLETELY KNOCKED OUT AND PROBABLY ALMOST KILLED OUTRIGHT WHEN TWO STANDARD ISSUE SMALL YIELD MISSILIES FROM A HELICOPTER HIT HER. 2 SMALL EXPLOSIVES WERE TOO MUCH FOR A KRYPTONIAN WITH FULL POWERS ACTIVE. HER SUIT TOOK ALMOST NO DAMAGE FROM IT, BUT SHE ALMOST DIED FROM THE IMPACT...AND SHE GAVE CAVIL A WHOOPIN' PRIOR TO HER SHIELDING GOING DOWN.
At the end of the day, I say Supercavill wins this fight. Mostly because the movie version of Thor is pussified beyond belief. Whether by Speedblitzing, continuous blows to the face, heat vision to the eyes... Thorsworth gets stomped. His durabilty is trash compared to Supercavill's.
Personally Im insanely biased for Man of Steel, I loved the movie even more than the Avengers (even though the pacing was horrendous), but I think both did an equally good job portraying their respective parts.
I RESPECT YOUR OPINION AND THANK YOU FOR IT, BUT I AM ABSOLUTELY LOST AS HOW YOU CAN CONSIDER THOR MORE WATERED DOWN THAN SUPERMAN WAS. SUPERMAN RIGHT NOW IN THE COMICS CAN BENCH EARTH FOR DAYS ON END WITH NO BREAK, THATS 400 QUINTILLION TONS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. HE WENT FROM BEING ABLE TO BENCH ALL THE EARTH EASILY LIKE A FEATHER AND FLYING AT 18X LIGHT SPEED AND BEING EXTREMELY CAPABLE, UNYIELDING, SELFLESS AND PROTECTIVE OF OTHERS TO BEING UNABLE TO LIFT A FEW HUNDRED TONS, FAILING TO DO SAVE A SINGLE PERSON DURING HIS BATTLE AND INSTEAD ONLY TRYING TO PROTECT HIMSELF, UNABLE TO THINK HIS WAY OUT, SHOWING HOW INCAPABLE HE WAS DURING THE ENTIRE MOVIE BY STRESSING OUT, HUFFING AND PUFFING TO THE POINT OF CRYING AT THE END OF THE MOVIE, BEING TOO DUMB TO HEAR OR SEE LOIS ON AN EMPTY ICE SHELF SNAPPING PICTURES OF HIM, TELLING THE ARMY WHERE HE USED TO LIVE, BEING UNEDUCATED IN EVERY WAY: BATTLE EXPERIENCE, FIGHTING EXPERIENCE, COLLEGE, MEDICAL, YOU NAME IT. HE IS JUST A REGULAR OR EVEN A BELOW AVERAGE HUMAN INTELLIGENCE RENDITION OF SUPERMAN FAR DUMBER THAN THE GOLDEN ERA SUPERMAN FROM THE 30S AND 40S.
THE DIFFERENCE IN CHARACTER FROM THE COMIC THOR TO MOVIE THOR IS ALMOST NOTHING COMPARED TO HOW DRASTIC A CHANGE WAS MADE FROM SUPERMAN IN THE COMICS TO HOW HE WAS MADE IN MAN OF STEEL. I THINK HE DID A TERRIBLE JOB AS SUPERMAN, ALL HE DID WAS WHINE, CRY AND SHOWCASE HOW INCAPABLE HE WAS OF DOING ANYTHING LIKE A REAL MAN WOULD, OR HOW SUPERMAN WOULD. SUPERMAN SHOULDNT BE BOTHERED SO MUCH BY A BULLY NOR TAKE REVENGE, SUPERMAN SHOULD BE MORE CAPABLE THAN ZOD IN REGARD TO CONTROLLING HIS POWERS ( ZOD AND JOR EL WERE MORE SUPER THAN SUPERMAN, THAT IS VERY SAD ). PERSONALLY, THIS MOVIE WAS WORSE THAN GREEN LANTERN AND DRAGONBALL EVOLUTION TO ME. THE ACTING WAS TERRIBLE AND IT WAS A MESS OF CGI WITH A LEAD CHARACTER WHO NEEDS TO TAKE DEPRESSION PILLS ASAP. HE PORTRAYED AN INCAPBLE SUPERMAN, NOT A SUPERMAN THAT SHOULD BE HANDS ON HIPS, STANDING FOR ALL THINGS GOOD AND JUST, THE GUY WHO DOES THE JOB WITHOUT SHOWING SIGNS OF STRESS. HE WASNT SUPERMAN. HE WAS THE OPPOSITE OF SUPERMAN AND HOW SUPERMAN SHOULD BE, WHO THE CHARACTER SHOULD BE.
SUPERMAN SHOULD ALWAYS BE SHOWN AS THE MOST CAPABLE, ABLE TO DO IT, STRONG WILLED AND NEVER FURROWED BROWED THE ENTIRE MOVIE NOR ALMOST LOOSING HIS MIND WHEN A HUMAN MAN TOSSES A BEER CAN AT HIM. HE SHOULD DO LIKE HE DID IN SUPERMAN 2 WHERE HE RETURNS AFTERWARDS AND TEACHES HIM A LESSON AND THEN SHOWS THE CARING FOR THE DESTRUCTION HE CAUSED, HE PAID FOR IT, HE FIXED IT AND DID IT ALL WITH A SMIRK AND SMILE. HE DIDNT WHINE, HE DIDNT CRY. CAVIL WHINED AND CRIED THROUGH THE ENTIRE MOVIE. OH, HE COULDNT FLY RIGHT OFF THE BAT SO WE NEED TO SHOW HIM STRUGGLING TO DO SO AND THEN AT THE END OF THE MOVIE ZOD GOT IT DOWN FASTER? THATS NOT SUPERMAN, THATS INCAPABLEMAN TO ME. OH, SUPERMAN HAS NO REAL EDUCATION AT ALL OR IS NOT SUPER HUMAN AND A GENIUS AT EVERYTHING HE DOES OR TRIES TO DO? THATS NOT SUPERMAN, THATS INCAPABLEHUMANDUDE. OH REALLY, SUPERMAN A FEW YEARS PRIOR LET HIS FATHER DIE IN A RANDOM TORNADO INSTEAD OF MAYBE KICKING UP DUST SO NOBODY COULD SEE HIM RUN IN AND SAVE THE DOG AND HIS DAD, THEN JUST A FEW YEARS LATER LETS HIS DAD DIE IN VEIN BY LETTING OIL RIG WORKERS SEE HIM RIP A GIANT DOOR OFF ITS HINDGES WHILE HIS DAMN BODY WAS ON FIRE? MAKES NO SENSE TO ME...IT WAS JUST ONE BAD SCENE AFTER ANOTHER. ALSO, THE WORLD ENGINE DID NOT PANCAKE CARS OR STONES FROM THE BUILDINGS AROUND IT, IT CRUSHED THEM A LOT BUT IT SHOULD HAVE LITERALLY PANCAKED THEM INTO A SHEET OF PAPER IF IT WERE SERIOUSLY POWERFUL...IT WASNT REALLY POWERFUL AT ALL. SUPERMAN IN THE COMICS CAN SURVIVE THE GRAVITY OF A BLACK HOLE AND SIT INSIDE THE SUN, THAT MACHINE WOULD BE VIRTUALLY NOTHING FOR THE COMIC SUPERMANS OR THE PAST MOVIE VERSIONS.
SUPERMAN WOULD NEVER LEAVE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE TO DIE AND BE CRUSHED AT THE END OF HIS BATTLE, THERE NEEDED TO BE A SCENE OF HIM SAVING PEOPLE, SHOWING HE CARED AND COULD FIGHT THE BAD GUYS WHILE SAVING PEOPLE. THAT IS NOT IMPORTANT TO ANYONE WHO DOESNT UNDERSTAND NOR CARE ABOUT THE CHARACTER OF KAL EL. HE IS SELFLESS AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE SELFESS, HIS LIFE IS MEANINGLESS. IN MAN OF STEEL, HIS LIFE WAS MORE IMPORTANT. THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF WAYS HE COULD HAVE ENDED ZODS DESTRUCTION WITHOUT KILLING HIM, BUT HE TOOK THE COWARDS WAY OUT. KNOCK HIM OUT, CHOKE HIM OUT, PLUCK HIS EYES OUT, FLY UP INTO SPACE ( AND MY GOD I CANNTO BELIEVE THEY BOTH WENT INTO SPACE TO FIGHT AND THEN CAME RIGHT BACK DOWN TO METROPOLIS? WHAT THE HELL....) WRAP HIS CAPE AROUND ZODS EYES, CUT A HOLE IN THE WAY BEHIND THE FAMILY FOR THEM TO ESCAPE? YOU KNOW...THINGS A SMART PERSON WOULD DO? SINCE SUPERMAN DIDNT ACTUALLY DO ANY OF THIS THE RIGHT WAY, HE WILL NEVER REALLY BE SUPERMAN.
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