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#1 Posted by Revan8675 (6 posts) - - Show Bio

random encounter battle takes place on Namek as it is falling apart (from frieza saga)

#2 Posted by Perethorn (3346 posts) - - Show Bio

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

#3 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (473 posts) - - Show Bio

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

Fat Buu and Kid Buu are not that far apart in power. Kid Buu is actually arguably weaker.

#4 Edited by Perethorn (3346 posts) - - Show Bio

@perethorn said:

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

Fat Buu and Kid Buu are not that far apart in power. Kid Buu is actually arguably weaker.

Fat Buu is the weakest, then comes Kid Buu and finally as the strongest Buu comes Super. And there is a huge difference beetwen Kid and Fat.

#5 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (473 posts) - - Show Bio

@imboredletsdebate said:
@perethorn said:

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

Fat Buu and Kid Buu are not that far apart in power. Kid Buu is actually arguably weaker.

Fat Buu is the weakest, then comes Kid Buu and finally as the strongest Buu comes Super. And there is a huge difference beetwen Kid and Fat.

The more absorptions Buu has, the stronger he is, iirc. Fat Buu had more absorbtions than Kid Buu; which would make him stronger.

#6 Edited by Xeno_Seeker (414 posts) - - Show Bio

giving this one to buu

#7 Edited by GodTriggerHulk (1998 posts) - - Show Bio

Fat should win. Goku stated that his Ki doesn't go down at all when fighting and his henka beam would be an instant kill.

#8 Posted by The_Legendary_SuperSaiyan_Hulk (9870 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly, unless he gets turned into candy.

#9 Posted by Perethorn (3346 posts) - - Show Bio

@perethorn said:

@imboredletsdebate said:
@perethorn said:

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

Fat Buu and Kid Buu are not that far apart in power. Kid Buu is actually arguably weaker.

Fat Buu is the weakest, then comes Kid Buu and finally as the strongest Buu comes Super. And there is a huge difference beetwen Kid and Fat.

The more absorptions Buu has, the stronger he is, iirc. Fat Buu had more absorbtions than Kid Buu; which would make him stronger.

Is stated that when Buu absorbed the Grand Supreme Kai, he was depowered and easier to control for Bibidi

#10 Posted by nickzambuto (13384 posts) - - Show Bio

@perethorn said:

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

Fat Buu and Kid Buu are not that far apart in power. Kid Buu is actually arguably weaker.

Kid Buu toyed with Goku, Vegeta, and Fat Buu all one after the other without even expanding energy.

#11 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (473 posts) - - Show Bio

@imboredletsdebate said:

@perethorn said:

@imboredletsdebate said:
@perethorn said:

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

Fat Buu and Kid Buu are not that far apart in power. Kid Buu is actually arguably weaker.

Fat Buu is the weakest, then comes Kid Buu and finally as the strongest Buu comes Super. And there is a huge difference beetwen Kid and Fat.

The more absorptions Buu has, the stronger he is, iirc. Fat Buu had more absorbtions than Kid Buu; which would make him stronger.

Is stated that when Buu absorbed the Grand Supreme Kai, he was depowered and easier to control for Bibidi

He wasn't really depowered. The power was just suppressed because of the good. He still had the power though, just couldn't "unlock" it. It is a mute point though. You are right; he is essentially weaker than Kid Buu since he holds back.

@imboredletsdebate said:
@perethorn said:

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

Fat Buu and Kid Buu are not that far apart in power. Kid Buu is actually arguably weaker.

Kid Buu toyed with Goku, Vegeta, and Fat Buu all one after the other without even expanding energy.

Read above.

#12 Posted by terry2012 (5072 posts) - - Show Bio
#13 Posted by terry2012 (5072 posts) - - Show Bio

Has this not been done before?

#14 Posted by DanM (133 posts) - - Show Bio

Full power Majin Bull equal Buuhan, which is essential Super Buu who had absorbed and obtained power ups from Mystic Gohan, SS3 Gotenks and Piccolo. Super Vegito being able to toy with him is a frivolous point as he is arguably the strongest character in all of DBZ/GT and in a completely different league than Broly, given that SS1 Goku was able to defeat Broly using the combined powers of the other Z fighters in addition to his own, Buuhan has more then enough power to put him down and the durability to tank a few shots in the process if need be.

#15 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@danm said:

Full power Majin Bull equal Buuhan, which is essential Super Buu who had absorbed and obtained power ups from Mystic Gohan, SS3 Gotenks and Piccolo. Super Vegito being able to toy with him is a frivolous point as he is arguably the strongest character in all of DBZ/GT and in a completely different league than Broly, given that SS1 Goku was able to defeat Broly using the combined powers of the other Z fighters in addition to his own, Buuhan has more then enough power to put him down and the durability to tank a few shots in the process if need be.

Wtf makes you think full power majin buu=buuhan?

#16 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@imboredletsdebate said:
@perethorn said:

Wich Buu?

Fat Buu maybe will lose but Super and Kid are wining

Fat Buu and Kid Buu are not that far apart in power. Kid Buu is actually arguably weaker.

Kid Buu toyed with Goku, Vegeta, and Fat Buu all one after the other without even expanding energy.

I'm assuming you don't know much about dragonball z. The more evil a buu is, the more naturally powerful they are. Kid buu was pure evil, so of course he was powerful. Anyway, the fat buu that was fighting kid buu was completely good, this being weak. The only reason he was weak was because he had his evilness. (Kid buu.) taken out of him, The original fat buu would roflstomp kid buu, it's jut fact.

#17 Edited by dondave (36398 posts) - - Show Bio

Buu

#18 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio
#19 Edited by Chibio (920 posts) - - Show Bio

Any canon version of Buu (even the weakest) can defeat any canon version of Broly (even the strongest). Whoever thinks otherwise either doesn't know anything about Dragonball, or is a gigantic Broly fanboy. Broly is my favorite character from the show, but he is simply not in Buus league.

Judging by the timeline of Dragonball LSSJ Broly was an improved Super Saiyan, but weaker than a Super Saiyan 2. Broly did receive a power upgrade, when he came back later on, because of the near death experience, but that still didn't boost him above the level of a SSJ2 Saiyan and the weakest Buu version did just fine against SSJ2 Vegeta, who additionally to that had the Majin upgrade.

You can compare Broly to Perfect Cell. Not Super Perfect Cell, who got a power upgrade after he turned into a bomb and killed himself only to come back immediately after. That Cell would defeat Broly. The regular Perfect Cell would be an even match.

#20 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian Any incarnation of Buu is stronger than Broly.

An SSJ2 Goku would slaughter LSSJ Broly, Goku said that SSJ2 is not even a challenge for Fat Majin Buu. When Goku went SSJ3 Buu was still capable of doing damage and keeping up with Goku, SSJ3 & SSJ2 Goku would one shot LSSJ Broly.

Majin Buu takes this battle with ease...

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#21 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

@the_last_kryptonian Any incarnation of Buu is stronger than Broly.

An SSJ2 Goku would slaughter LSSJ Broly, Goku said that SSJ2 is not even a challenge for Fat Majin Buu. When Goku went SSJ3 Buu was still capable of doing damage and keeping up with Goku, SSJ3 & SSJ2 Goku would one shot LSSJ Broly.

Majin Buu takes this battle with ease...

All assumptions. Nothing you said about broly was factual. If you're going to say he's weaker than an SSJ2, provide reasoning.

God I'm sick of you Broly haters just hating him because he's strong, then you go and say shit about him that you pull from your ass.

@chibio said:

Any canon version of Buu (even the weakest) can defeat any canon version of Broly (even the strongest). Whoever thinks otherwise either doesn't know anything about Dragonball, or is a gigantic Broly fanboy. Broly is my favorite character from the show, but he is simply not in Buus league.

Judging by the timeline of Dragonball LSSJ Broly was an improved Super Saiyan, but weaker than a Super Saiyan 2. Broly did receive a power upgrade, when he came back later on, because of the near death experience, but that still didn't boost him above the level of a SSJ2 Saiyan and the weakest Buu version did just fine against SSJ2 Vegeta, who additionally to that had the Majin upgrade.

You can compare Broly to Perfect Cell. Not Super Perfect Cell, who got a power upgrade after he turned into a bomb and killed himself only to come back immediately after. That Cell would defeat Broly. The regular Perfect Cell would be an even match.

Obviously you know nothing of broly. Broly is insanely powerful. In his first movie, he destroyed a galaxy. Fat buu has never demonstrated such destructive power. Broly has a power level of fucking 1,400,000,000. That's stronger than SSJ3 Goku by a LONG shot. It's even stronger than majin buu, who's power level was Simply 1 billion. If you knew anything about Broly, and his REAL power, you'd know that Majin buu doesn't stand a chance.

#22 Posted by DanM (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian:

Well maybe because that's his strongest form, unless the OP stated a specific version, a full power Buu could very easily be interpreted as Buuhan as this is Buu at his most powerful. Any version under Super Buu would be hard pressed against the likes of Broly, from that transformation on it's pretty much overkill given a SSJ goku with the combined powers of the Z fighters was able to defeat him which should put him quite below a SS3 Gotenks which Super Buu was all but even with.

#23 Posted by Chibio (920 posts) - - Show Bio

Obviously you know nothing of broly. Broly is insanely powerful. In his first movie, he destroyed a galaxy. Fat buu has never demonstrated such destructive power. Broly has a power level of fucking 1,400,000,000. That's stronger than SSJ3 Goku by a LONG shot. It's even stronger than majin buu, who's power level was Simply 1 billion. If you knew anything about Broly, and his REAL power, you'd know that Majin buu doesn't stand a chance.

Yep, you're a fanboy. Feats like destroying a galaxy mean nothing in DB, since they're not consistent. But let's just say Broly is indeed much more powerful than Majin Buu and that he destroyed a galaxy. There are few questions I have:

1. Why did Broly lose in the first movie against the DBZ warriors who were at that point much weaker than later on during the Buu saga?

2. Why couldn't Broly (who destroys galaxies with his ki balls) stop Goku, who kept running towards him, while Broly was firing ki balls at him? Broly looked indeed upset afterwards and asked Goku if he ever gives up. It didn't look like Broly was only toying around.

3. Why was Broly not able to shoot back the Kamehameha, when Gohan and the others attacked him, even though his life was on the line? It's not like he wasn't trying, since he did power up and even generated force fields in the last second, yet he still lost.

And overall the question, if Broly can destroy a planet with a simply ki ball, then why doesn't Goku's spirit ball (Genkidama) do that much damage, even if it's a much stronger version of Goku than later on?

Let's be honest here for a second. Dragonball never really impressed the viewer with a deep story or a lot of logic. Feats like destroying the galaxy mean nothing to the actual anime. Nothing at all. What matters is that Goku goes from adventure to adventure. He always faces a strong opponent, but then after a power up he easily wins. And from opponent to opponent they get stronger and so does Goku. Broly was somewhere in the middle. Of course he is stronger than Frieza and Cooler and as strong as Perfect Cell, but he can't compete anymore with guys like Super Perfect Cell, Bojack and especially later on Buu. Broly is not as powerful as you would like him to be. He is stronger than a Super Saiyan, but weaker than a Super Saiyan 2 and everything above.

#24 Edited by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian: You're talking trash mate, if you're going to calling us Broly hates, than I have a right to call you a typical Broly Fanboy by saying he is stronger than an SSJ3 Goku. It's common sense that SSJ2 Goku > LSSJ Broly, don't ask me to provide reasoning when you can't do so yourself.


Broly has a power level of fucking 1,400,000,000.

Where was that reading stated? Provide reasoning for such a false assumption. If it was, that's nowhere near an SSJ3 Goku's power level. Goku only needed the energy of a battle-worn Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo who isn't even an SSJ to beat Broly.

The time period they fought Broly was before the Buu Saga. SSJ3 Goku (Buu Saga) >>> Battleworn Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, Trunks, Goku energy combined by a long shot. It shouldn't even be necessary to explain.


It's even stronger than majin buu, who's power level was Simply 1 billion.

Again, where did you get this power reading from?


If you knew anything about Broly, and his REAL power, you'd know that Majin Buu doesn't stand a chance.

That's a typical claim from a Broly fanboy. Take your own advice and provide reasons as to why Broly can kee up with an SSJ3 Goku?

You can provide nothing about Broly that backs you up at all, it's complete common sense that Majin Buu, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Goku > LSSJ Broly just accept it.

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#25 Posted by DanM (133 posts) - - Show Bio

Broly is a pretty cool character, I can see why some get the urge to overrate him. Given his showings, I have always likened his power to that of Vegeta's when he ascended past SSJ1 and completely overwhelmed semi perfect cell, not quite a SSJ2 but more then enough to easily handle any SSJ1 as he has shown, if during his fight with the Z fighters you were to replace Broly with the likes of Buu or even Perfect Cell, given the Z fighters where SSJ1 or below, you can't say any of them would have gotten back up after a single blow or found any possible way to win, anybody making argument for Broly going up and against SSJ3 quality opponents really needs to take a moment to think things out.

#26 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@chibio said:

@the_last_kryptonian said:

Obviously you know nothing of broly. Broly is insanely powerful. In his first movie, he destroyed a galaxy. Fat buu has never demonstrated such destructive power. Broly has a power level of fucking 1,400,000,000. That's stronger than SSJ3 Goku by a LONG shot. It's even stronger than majin buu, who's power level was Simply 1 billion. If you knew anything about Broly, and his REAL power, you'd know that Majin buu doesn't stand a chance.

Yep, you're a fanboy. Feats like destroying a galaxy mean nothing in DB, since they're not consistent. But let's just say Broly is indeed much more powerful than Majin Buu and that he destroyed a galaxy. There are few questions I have:

1. Why did Broly lose in the first movie against the DBZ warriors who were at that point much weaker than later on during the Buu saga?

2. Why couldn't Broly (who destroys galaxies with his ki balls) stop Goku, who kept running towards him, while Broly was firing ki balls at him? Broly looked indeed upset afterwards and asked Goku if he ever gives up. It didn't look like Broly was only toying around.

3. Why was Broly not able to shoot back the Kamehameha, when Gohan and the others attacked him, even though his life was on the line? It's not like he wasn't trying, since he did power up and even generated force fields in the last second, yet he still lost.

And overall the question, if Broly can destroy a planet with a simply ki ball, then why doesn't Goku's spirit ball (Genkidama) do that much damage, even if it's a much stronger version of Goku than later on?

Let's be honest here for a second. Dragonball never really impressed the viewer with a deep story or a lot of logic. Feats like destroying the galaxy mean nothing to the actual anime. Nothing at all. What matters is that Goku goes from adventure to adventure. He always faces a strong opponent, but then after a power up he easily wins. And from opponent to opponent they get stronger and so does Goku. Broly was somewhere in the middle. Of course he is stronger than Frieza and Cooler and as strong as Perfect Cell, but he can't compete anymore with guys like Super Perfect Cell, Bojack and especially later on Buu. Broly is not as powerful as you would like him to be. He is stronger than a Super Saiyan, but weaker than a Super Saiyan 2 and everything above.

1. Goku absorbed the energy of 6 saiyans to defeat broly. Last time he did that, he became a super saiyan god...so...of course Broly's power isn't comparable to that of a ssj god.

2. Broly took no damage, so your argument is void.

3. Broly did shoot back at the kamehameha by gohan and the others. He countered with an omega blast, and was overpowering them, until trunks shot at broly and distracted him, much like what happened to cell, and caused broly to lose concentration and get hit. And even then, the kamehameha itself didn't even kill broly, it was the sun that killed broly.

Funny how you deem me a broly "fanboy". I'm just stating facts. Maybe you should pay closer attention when watching an anime you claim to know about.

#27 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

@the_last_kryptonian: You're talking trash mate, if you're going to calling us Broly hates, than I have a right to call you a typical Broly Fanboy by saying he is stronger than an SSJ3 Goku. It's common sense that SSJ2 Goku > LSSJ Broly, don't ask me to provide reasoning when you can't do so yourself.

Broly has a power level of fucking 1,400,000,000.

Where was that reading stated? Provide reasoning for such a false assumption. If it was, that's nowhere near an SSJ3 Goku's power level. Goku only needed the energy of a battle-worn Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks, and Piccolo who isn't even an SSJ to beat Broly.

The time period they fought Broly was before the Buu Saga. SSJ3 Goku (Buu Saga) >>> Battleworn Vegeta, Piccolo, Gohan, Trunks, Goku energy combined by a long shot. It shouldn't even be necessary to explain.

It's even stronger than majin buu, who's power level was Simply 1 billion.

Again, where did you get this power reading from?

If you knew anything about Broly, and his REAL power, you'd know that Majin Buu doesn't stand a chance.

That's a typical claim from a Broly fanboy. Take your own advice and provide reasons as to why Broly can kee up with an SSJ3 Goku?

You can provide nothing about Broly that backs you up at all, it's complete common sense that Majin Buu, SSJ3 Goku, SSJ2 Goku > LSSJ Broly just accept it.

It's absolutely mind-boggling that you would assume my claim is false without even looking it up. Akira Toriyama confirmed broly's power level to be 1,400,000,000. It's official. Don't believe me? Look it up instead of wanking buu. And yes, buu's power level is 1 billion. Look it up. And how exactly is it common sense that ssj2 goku> Broly? When broly slaughtered teen ssj2 gohan, who is a much more powerful ssj2 than goku?

#28 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

There's your proof right there. That image right there ends the whole debate. Don't like it? Too bad, it's fact.

#29 Posted by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian: I've looked it up, and found absolutely nothing that of which you claim is fact. Power levels were unmeasurable after the Frieza Saga.

Teen SSJ2 Gohan is not more powerful than SSJ2 Goku, where are you getting your information?

If anybody is doing the "wanking" it's you, you're a Broly fanboy, because if you weren't then you'd have the sense to know Broly is nothing to SSJ3 level characters, and as @chibio stated, nothing to Super-Perfect Cell either.

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#30 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052 said:

@the_last_kryptonian: I've looked it up, and found absolutely nothing that of which you claim is fact. Power levels were unmeasurable after the Frieza Saga.

Teen SSJ2 Gohan is not more powerful than SSJ2 Goku, where are you getting your information?

If anybody is doing the "wanking" it's you, you're a Broly fanboy, because if you weren't then you'd have the sense to know Broly is nothing to SSJ3 level characters, and as @chibio stated, nothing to Super-Perfect Cell either.

Wow. The fact is provided right in front of you in Literally black and white. (I.E. The image posted.), yet you still dismiss it. You are truly oblivious. It's a shame. And if power levels became immeasurable, why does Akira still list the character's power levels? Man your logic fails.

#31 Edited by Perethorn (3346 posts) - - Show Bio

@pope052:

Power levels only became inmesurable on Dragon Ball GT

if Broly has a power level of 1, 400 000 000, then even Fat Buu is stronger. The Daizenshuu says that Fat Buu power level is about 30, 000, 000, 000

#32 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

And oh yes. Please provide a SSJ2's power level who surpasses the level of 1,400,000,000. Or even comes lose to it please, since you obviously think Broly is so much weaker than one.

#33 Edited by Perethorn (3346 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian:

SSJ 2 Goku is 20, 000, 000, 000

SSJ 2 Vegeta is 19, 000 ,000, 000

SSJ 2 Kid Gohan is 10, 000, 000 ,000

#34 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian:

SSJ 2 Goku is 20, 000, 000, 000SSJ 2 Vegeta is 19, 000 ,000, 000

SSJ 2 Kid Gohan is 10, 000, 000 ,000

Oh that's cute. Where did you get those power levels from?

#35 Edited by Perethorn (3346 posts) - - Show Bio
#36 Edited by DanM (133 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian:

Goku absorbs the power of 3 Sayians, those being Gohan, Trunks and Vegeta, not six and then goes on to defeat Broly with a single punch. There is no way he can hang with SSJ3 quality opponents, watch the fight again, take note on how many attacks Goku and even some of the other Z are able to tank without dying as they most certainly would at this point in time against stronger opponents such as any version of Buu. Most consider that battle to have taken place during the ten days before the Cell games, Broly beating up on and eventually getting beat by a group of SSJ1s doesn't exactly have him measure up to your standards. Certainly not putting him anywhere near Buu's level.

#37 Posted by xlab3000 (3206 posts) - - Show Bio

lol at the Broly fanboys. there are no official power levels after the Frieza saga stop using that v-jump scan. really Broly is a galaxy buster that's been debunked. Majin Buu stomps hard. these videos debunk Brolytard logic(or claims)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD6BCDB5B98AB2317

@xlab3000 said:

Broly's power doesn't increase. it was a dub error. don't even use video game power levels. it contradicts on-panel evidence.

the punch:
and this was before Fat Buu charged up.

the result: gohan down and on the verge of death lol.

this is gohan on broly's first attack

first blow:

second blow

result: gohan responds with a freakin kick

note that this broly is even stronger than before since he almost got killed on the previous movie by ssj1 goku

next proof, goku can fight with buu and even claimed that he could have defeated him if he wanted to:

even tough buu can trash about gohan at ssj2 with ease he got his butt handed to goku at ssj3 now guess who defeated broly?

Broly was defeated by

3 ssj

and a normal saiyan

(Gohan was a ssj during the kamehameha so was Goku if you looked at the hair). ssj3 goku>lssj broly. Majin Vegeta>Lssj Broly proof Majin Vegeta was dominating Fat Buu before he charged up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYEt58DU2PQ

look at 0:23:00-0:24:46 on the

1st video Broly was destroying planets and stars(he only destroyed a city but referenced if you saw the opening clip) so no Broly isn't a galaxy buster. it looked like he was a ssj while he was doing it too.

the 2nd video says the south galaxy was being attacked. Broly didn't destroy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFrrn7KcoLg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc

Broly is solar system+ or a multi-solar system buster in his LSSJ State(Movie 10)

#38 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@perethorn: Anyway. Here is Majin Buu's real power level. (Copied directly from the Dragonball Wiki.) It's obvious you're lying about the Daizenshuu anyway.

Power

Majin Buu's power level is 1,000,000,000 according to the video game Dragon Ball Z: Scouter Battle Taikan Kamehameha. He shows his power when he effortlessly defeats the Eastern Supreme Kai and Super Saiyan 2 Gohan, and goes on to humiliate Majin Vegeta.

After his fission, the fat Majin Buu is weaker than Evil Buu, but his power is still significant. He actually manages to hold his own against Kid Buu. However, he is clearly outmatched, and defeated just as Goku was.

Now here is SSJ 2 Kid Gohan's power level.

Super Gohan 2 - 300,000,000 (Not copied from the Dragonball Wiki because the dragonball wiki didn't provide his power level, but it was copied from a reliable source, I assure you.)

Now for Goku and Vegeta

Majin Vegeta - 360,000,000 (I listed Majin Vegeta because Majin Vegeta is equal to his SSJ2 counterpart.)

Super Goku 2 - 360,000,000

So...yeah. No where close to 1.4 billion.

#39 Posted by MisterGuyMan (2042 posts) - - Show Bio

I wouldn't put too much stock in those "official" power levels for Broly. They were created as promotional material for an upcoming videogame.

Moreover if you DO want to involve videogame related material then Broly wins. Fat Buu is then 1,000,000,000 and Kid Buu is 1,150,000,000. Broly with 1,400,000,000 would be higher than both. All three are listed in Dragon Ball Z: Scouter Battle Taikan Kamehameha. Like I said though most numbers past Frieza aren't from really official sources but if you go by them, Broly wins.

#40 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (473 posts) - - Show Bio

I like how this guy last kryptonian is using power levels from video games or random places and trying to spin them as reliable.

Teen Gohan and Broly never fought. I don't get where you got that information from. Probably a video game.
SSSJ/2 ADULT Gohan was able to hurt Broly with physical attacks...Adult Gohan...a mere shell of his former self. SSJ2 Teen Gohan is much stronger than Adult Gohan, until he gets his Mystic boost. And SSJ2 Goku and Majin Vegeta are both more powerful than SSJ2 Teen Gohan, and SSJ3 Goku is even more powerful. Majin Buu (which is the fat Buu) was tanking SSJ3 Goku's attacks and 1 shotted Adult Gohan, something that Broly could not do.

Majin Buu > Broly

#41 Posted by Pope052 (3101 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian: I was still typing that post while you posted that scan, hence why you assumed I "ignored it".

You should take your own advice aswell, you're ignoring everything that people are showing you about Buu. You got that power level of Majin Buu from a game, games aren't canon.

Just PROVE that Broly can match up against SSJ3 level characters. Providing feats of him stomping Goku, Vegeta, Gohan, Trunks and Piccolo at that time mean nothing against Majin Buu.

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#42 Edited by xlab3000 (3206 posts) - - Show Bio
#43 Edited by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@xlab3000 said:

lol at the Broly fanboys. there are no official power levels after the Frieza saga stop using that v-jump scan. really Broly is a galaxy buster that's been debunked. Majin Buu stomps hard. these videos debunk Brolytard logic(or claims)

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD6BCDB5B98AB2317

@xlab3000 said:

Broly's power doesn't increase. it was a dub error. don't even use video game power levels. it contradicts on-panel evidence.

the punch:
and this was before Fat Buu charged up.

the result: gohan down and on the verge of death lol.

this is gohan on broly's first attack

first blow:

second blow

result: gohan responds with a freakin kick

note that this broly is even stronger than before since he almost got killed on the previous movie by ssj1 goku

next proof, goku can fight with buu and even claimed that he could have defeated him if he wanted to:

even tough buu can trash about gohan at ssj2 with ease he got his butt handed to goku at ssj3 now guess who defeated broly?

Broly was defeated by

3 ssj

and a normal saiyan

(Gohan was a ssj during the kamehameha so was Goku if you looked at the hair). ssj3 goku>lssj broly. Majin Vegeta>Lssj Broly proof Majin Vegeta was dominating Fat Buu before he charged up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYEt58DU2PQ

look at 0:23:00-0:24:46 on the

1st video Broly was destroying planets and stars(he only destroyed a city but referenced if you saw the opening clip) so no Broly isn't a galaxy buster. it looked like he was a ssj while he was doing it too.

the 2nd video says the south galaxy was being attacked. Broly didn't destroy it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFrrn7KcoLg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpHdgn3UaBc

Broly is solar system+ or a multi-solar system buster in his LSSJ State(Movie 10)

Well, since you want to use that logic.

Goku catches trunk's sword with one finger.

Goku gets defeated by....a rock.

See what I mean? Just because the rock managed to hit goku, does that imply the rock is stronger than goku? Could the rock have managed to defeat majin buu, perhaps? No. ABC logic is pathetic. Stop using it. Besides, Shonen Jump provided that power level. It couldn't be more official if Akira got it tattooed on his ass.

And to address your final argument...

"3. Broly did shoot back at the kamehameha by gohan and the others. He countered with an omega blast, and was overpowering them, until trunks shot at broly and distracted him, much like what happened to cell, and caused broly to lose concentration and get hit. And even then, the kamehameha itself didn't even kill broly, it was the sun that killed broly." (Copied and pasted from myself so I wouldn't have to rewrite it.)

#44 Posted by the_last_kryptonian (1524 posts) - - Show Bio

@danm said:

@the_last_kryptonian:

Goku absorbs the power of 3 Sayians, those being Gohan, Trunks and Vegeta, not six and then goes on to defeat Broly with a single punch. There is no way he can hang with SSJ3 quality opponents, watch the fight again, take note on how many attacks Goku and even some of the other Z are able to tank without dying as they most certainly would at this point in time against stronger opponents such as any version of Buu. Most consider that battle to have taken place during the ten days before the Cell games, Broly beating up on and eventually getting beat by a group of SSJ1s doesn't exactly have him measure up to your standards. Certainly not putting him anywhere near Buu's level.

That is purely because he managed to hit him in the spot he was stabbed when he was a child.

#45 Posted by Perethorn (3346 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian:

You telling me a videogame is reliable source? ok sure...

And the wiki has different numbers.

#46 Posted by ImBoredLetsDebate (473 posts) - - Show Bio

Are you trolling or what? That scene with Goku and the rock is non-canon. I can see you are either trolling, an ignorant fanboy, or have something mentally wrong with you. Using logic with you won't work. Guess I'll step out of this one

#47 Edited by MisterGuyMan (2042 posts) - - Show Bio

Also Broly DID bust a galaxy. It's shown on panel.

Goku even states he destroyed it:

The 'evidence' that Broly didn't has been shown illogical several times over. Saying a galaxy isn't destroyed because a few stars are still around (out of at least a hundred of million) doesn't prove that the other hundred million stars are survived. The fact is the movie shows up a galaxy and it shows us the galaxy disappear into nothing. The galaxy was destroyed. If you want to subscribe to the interpretation that Broly destroyed it over several years then fine, Broly is then massively faster than light and is even more powerful than he was as a normal galaxy buster.

For comparison, Buu destroyed several hundred planets in the manga and Kid Buu a galaxy similarly to Broly in the anime. The movies aren't canon so just lumping them into the main timeline and assuming everyone is just as powerful is not a good way to gauge their power. It's a lot of guesswork.

#48 Posted by xlab3000 (3206 posts) - - Show Bio

@the_last_kryptonian: you do realize that was SSJ2 Gohan after fighting Broly and training for the world's martial arts tournament right. Broly had put up his barrier so he wouldn't get destroyed by the kamehameha and ended up getting destroyed by the sun. Goku>Rock. Goku has fought planet busters so don't give that filler crap. your logic fails.

#49 Edited by crabtree (1619 posts) - - Show Bio

Any Buu wins.

#50 Edited by Perethorn (3346 posts) - - Show Bio

@misterguyman said:

Also Broly DID bust a galaxy. It's shown on panel.

Goku even states he destroyed it:

The 'evidence' that Broly didn't has been shown illogical several times over. Saying a galaxy isn't destroyed because a few stars are still around (out of at least a hundred of million) doesn't prove that the other hundred million stars are survived. The fact is the movie shows up a galaxy and it shows us the galaxy disappear into nothing. The galaxy was destroyed. If you want to subscribe to the interpretation that Broly destroyed it over several years then fine, Broly is then massively faster than light and is even more powerful than he was as a normal galaxy buster.

They stated that southern galaxy was busted but...the movie takes place there. It wasnt exactly busted, what Broly did is to destroy the planets and stars over time. But the galaxy was still there