magneto vs superman

@ghostravage: well the thing is magneto can instantly tune into the em spectrum, and has auto shields that easily block nukes.

And supes doesn't outclass magneto in strength that much, mags is easily class 100 and on par with Juggs and herc if he tunes into the em spectrum.

Now, the orbit of the earth and the em spectrum of the earth are very different, because (physics time) electromagnetism is astronomically more powerful than gravity. Magneto might not be able to crush supes, but his shields would hold, magneto would tune in and then start severely restricting supes movements so that magneto and supes were on par physically at which point magneto would blast the hell out of him.

Yes he does... Superman outclasses Magneto by more than a mile in strength. Juggs and Hercules aren't 100 toner, they just fit in because that's the top classification in Marvel strength parameters... With this said, i seriously doubt Magneto being on the same tier as those 2 characters.

Again, i think Magneto's biggest feat is stopping some kind of bullet that was traveling at some x speed faster than light and he almost died doing it. He haven't proved by himself alone to be able to create such big em forces equal as the orbit of the earth. Saying he could is mere speculation and doesn't have feats to support it. Its true that EM powers should be beyond most of comic characters, however, we haven't seen Magneto doing anything to prove he can beat Superman.

Again, i'll reform my scenario... What's stopping Superman from accelerate his reflexes to the point he sees Magneto as a statue... Freeze him to the point of instant hypothermia then punch Hulk style Magneto's ice statue then see all the pieces falling into the asphalt... Not that an in-character Superman will do such thing.

Juggs and Hercules are easily 100 tonner

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and I posted scans of Mags on par with them.

Here is Magneto tuning in to the EM spectrum:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127692/3065295-magneto.jpg

This means he controls the ENTIRE EM spectrum. Now the calcs for this would take me a very long time to do, but suffice to say on this large of a scale Supes wouldn't stand a chance.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/127692/3073678-mags31.jpg

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don't mind me

i'm just magneto

blasting a reality warper who could have destroyed the planet

This^

@thedarklordpandamonium: @ghostravage: negative, he proved humans have iron in their blood..... Duh but its not logical to assume that an alien species even has that element in their galaxy let alone their genetic make up. The ownace of proof doesnt fall to me as it is not my hypothetical situation. Dlp stated mags could affect the molecules of iron. Proving that clark has iron in his blood is now on you, being red doesnt make it so. Also you never addressed his forcefield and how mag would get through it. You said when has it stopped him...... When has he done it is a better question. Also there was a scan already showing him unable to do it to someome due to their invulnerability so idk how effective it is anyway...... Also good luck reacting to the speed blitz or laser lobotomy......

Edit- btw superman is leaps and bounds beyond 100 tonners he bench pressed earth for 5 days straight.... No struggle, neither herc nor juggs have a feat to match anything close.

1) Juggs and Herc brawl for extended periods of time with Hulk which is arguably a 100 toner just freshly transformed. Iron-Man is a 100 toner as well and Herc/Juggs are way beyond Iron-Man in strength matters...

2) The first scan he's using a machine to amplify his powers. So again, he's getting external help.

3) As for the scans with Prometeus, you did notice how much it took for him to observe and analyze the em spectrum of Prometeus... You do know everybody has a different em spectrum right? With this said... Prometeus just stood there giving him time to think in a strategy. He won't have such a peaceful phase with someone like Superman. He did beat Prometeus there, but that doesn't imply he has the em force output to rival Prometeus reality warping but to affect his real psiconic form which is mainly one of Magneto's fortes, as can be seen in Onslaught saga.

4) Those scans are so badass... Magneto is a baws...

@thedarklordpandamonium: pps in the scans you provided...... Magneto used a machine to amplify his powers to tune in to the em field........ Means he cant do it solo............. Also in the next few he talks to proteus and says that hes split himself (and his power) many times for that plan and him being weakened and pis allowed mags to banish him or whatever.

Superman.

@zr0c00l: Well well... We have a Superman fanboy in here... Just to clarify, people were telling you what makes blood red. Superman has much similarities with humans, it won't be so hard to assume that his blood is similar to humans...

About the Juggs and Herc comment... Neither of them are 100 toners, they fit in because that's the highest classification Marvel has for strength parameters.... Also, Superman can't do ANYTHING to beat Juggs due to infinite momentum and real invulnerability. IIRC Trion Juggernaut, a 50ft Juggs was walking through realities like they were paper just by pure strength, so Superman is nowhere close to him. As for Herc, Superman is not that far from him... He benched "the universe" for a period of time and he didn't show any sign of tiring...

Also... Im supporting Superman.

@ghostravage: No need to call people fanboys and censor the swearing and don't direct it at people.

What.....nonsense.....Proteus has never done anything to suggest he could blow up the planet.....

Superman punches his head off.

@ghostravage: Wait, are you saying Juggs and Herc CAN'T lift 100 tons or that they lift way-more?

I'm assuming the second 'cuz you're a smart cookie.

ANYHOW the amplification conduit just allowed Magneto to BECOME part of the E-M spectrum; he takes control of it...a lot.

http://img279.imageshack.us/img279/3365/magcutsaswath8vm.jpg

^ like that.

btw

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/8623/magripsapartapocalypse4li.jpg

magneto rips apart apocalypse after a long fight and conversation

(this is, of course, b*ll**** of the highest caliber. realistically, this would happen:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/84998/2422274-magvs_apoc_4.jpg)

Also, he could do this:

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/84998/2422279-magnetovs_apoc_3.jpg

I have no idea what 'your mind is an electromagnetic field' is supposed to mean, buuut he punked apocalypse.

Oh, and as for your speedblitzing nonsense?

His reflexes have allowed him to catch a speedblitzing Northstar right out of the sky. Northstar goes near the speed of light.

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He’s also trapped Quicksilver going on a speed rampage in some metal like it was nothing. This is the Quicksilver who was effortlessly going as fast as Northstar.

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@ghostravage:Third i said juggs doesnt have a strength feat to match supes earth benching, also juggernaught is only unstoppable while moving and on earth. Skaar managed to one shot him in the air so....... Yeah idk bout that whole nothing superman can do. Fourthly why mention trion juggs? Did i? No if youre using alternate versions then immune to magic reality punching superman prime spite stomps trion juggs. Fifthly most of what i said wasnt even for you. Nor were my oringinal comments that you imposed yourself in on so maybe just minding your own business would work out bud.

@zr0c00l: Like I said to Ghostravage, the insults aren't necessary. Keep it clean, both of you.

@ghostravage:

No, you don't know what your talking about have you ever read any marvel comics, juggernaut can lift well over a thousand tons. Hercules held the city of manhattan together, he also took the heavens from atlas and held them up for days on end, Hercules is every bit as strong as superman and as for everybody soloing the jla it still doesn't take away from the feat. ABC logic if dr Polaris has been shown on panel to do it magneto can do if because he has better feats than Polaris.

Magneto pulled apocalypses space ship right out of space, he was able to effortlessly hold his on space ship avolon in orbit without even thinking about it, he has tons of high end feats visit his respect thread.

@citizenbane: wait

wasn't proteus like ten seconds from ripping the earth apart in house of m

or am i high af

Wrong Proteus, different universe. 616 Proteus was dead at the time, he'd been dead for over 20 years before Selene resurrected him in Necrosha. They're not interchangeable.

All your scans are from respect threads, most of them are out of context. Magneto ripping Apocalypse apart is from Age of Apocalypse, which is not canon. Magneto trapping Northstar never happened, it was an illusion Jean placed in his mind. Quicksilver additionally is not anywhere near as fast as Northstar, and Magneto has also been blitzed by Quicksilver on other occasions. I find it hilarious that you're rubbishing other people's posts.

EDIT: My bad, Jean's illusion happened later ---- but Magneto tagging Northstar hardly means he has lightspeed reflexes. Wolverine has tagged and killed Northstar. Clearly Wolverine is as fast as Superman? Setting aside the fact that Superman is much faster than Northstar?

There's some other nonsense in this thread, but that's Moonman78's usual work. Hercules never held Manhattan together, that feat was retconned into non-existence by a half dozen different writers (including a Marvel No-Prize book edited by Stan Lee himself) because they believed it made no sense.

Superman eventually punches through Magneto's shields, assuming he even gets them up before Superman hits him, and then strikes Magneto slightly harder than Psylocke with a poison dart.

Scan stolen from GS' gallery

@citizenbane:

damn I'm bad.

Wait...by ripping him apart do you mean the scan of Magneto actually ripping Apocalypse apart, or the one of him doing the face-melt-thing?

Also, I've always been confused on the whole 'not canon' thing. Magneto's abilities...aren't any different in AoA, right? So why can't we just treat it as what would happen if Magneto actually fought Apocalypse?

Different occasions. The Northstar you're thinking of only went at Mach 10. The Northstar I'm thinking of (or at least I think I'm thinking of) is the one that got retconned (or is it just re-made?) to go at light-speeds easily...somehow.

And Superman isn't that much faster than light speed, is he?

I included Quicksilver because the argument could be made that, unlike most speedsters, Northstar doesn't 'live' at high speeds; to him, everything is a blur. Which...kinda makes no sense to me, but I'll roll with it. Quicksilver, however, actually 'lives' at high speeds. So for the sake of being thorough, I included both.

Also...Magneto's shields are always on, unless I'm crazy.

(yes, I am taking scans off of respect threads. Sue me. If I was doing a CAV I probably wouldn't, but I'm not.)

@thedarklordpandamonium: I believe Northstar and Aurora could only theoretically achieve lightspeeds, but it was never tested because of the relativistic effects that it might cause. They tended to stay around hypersonic at best because their increased durability and ability to breathe started to disappear after Mach 10.

@citizenbane: Speaking of my scans, my personal favorite that I hold so near and dear to my heart. Karnak lolkicking him in the face.

@dredeuced: No, they got retconned. Or remade. Something. If you were getting this off of Wikipedia, read the entire 'powers and abilities' section.

The former. I believe there's some context attached to the latter as well (it might be from the non-canon Marvel Adventures series, but don't quote me on that) but I can't be entirely sure.

The whole deal with non-canon showings is that you don't know if their abilities are different or not. Magneto could be stronger, Apocalypse could be weaker, etc.

The Northstar I'm thinking of is the same Northstar you're thinking of.

Zipping from the Vega galaxy to Earth in a few moments should make him considerably faster than light, if we're using the pre-Flashpoint version. Post-Flashpoint Superman went from Pluto to Earth in a couple of minutes, which is about 300 times faster than light. He also destroyed Hal Jordan's shields and one-shotted him with one speed-punch in his first Post-Flashpoint showing ever.

Magneto's shields are not always on. They never have been, ever.

I have no problem with people taking scans from respect threads as long as they're already familiar with the material in question, it's just that a lot of the time the practice leads to people posting non-canon or out-of context content and trying to pass it off as fact because they don't know any better or hope no one else knows any better, and the respect threads frequently leave out context as well.

(Oh, and Magneto's shields do not "easily block nukes". There's only one showing of his shields against nukes as far as I know, and he was amped by a machine in that showing. If there's another one, let me know.)

@god_spawn: The classics, man. Stick with the classics.

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Also...Magneto's shields are always on, unless I'm crazy.

Magneto's shields aren't always on. I'm not exactly sure where you got that from? I'd be sitting here forever going through every fight he hasn't used them.

@thedarklordpandamonium: I didn't get anything off Wikipedia. I'll fully admit to not knowing much about Northstar and Aurora beyond Alpha flight.

@citizenbane: Classics. Got it.

Blackbolt... PAWNCH!!

@thedarklordpandamonium: And to kind of prove my point on the matter. Magneto had to throw up his shield when Cyclops came into the fight, pulling one of the most unintelligent things I have seen him do, and had to call out Magneto before blasting him and scream about he how he is Cyclops when he had a perfectly good chance to down him.

Either could win.

There are wayyyyy too many instances of magneto being blitzed for this to be a real fight. Also as no other version was stated then this is current broken powers magneto and hes nothing in comparison to what he was. But even at full strength he doesnt have the reaction speed to do anything at all. Aside from the many scans god_ spawn and citizen_bane and others have posted, family reunion at mach 5 from childrens crusade comes to mind. Qs totally tagged him and if he had an auto shield....... Boy is it weak. If mach 5 is enough to blitz him........pretty sure a hundred or so times the speed of light will work.

@citizenbane: Believe by the date on the OP we're going with pre-flashpoint.

aaaand northstar going at light speed gets tagged by wolverine.

MOTHERF-

k, i give up.

yeah, if this was for a tournament or CAV or something I'd probably just find context for all of them. (as you've shown me some of them are out of context, so I apologize for that.)

@god_spawn: I'm crazy. I was actually thinking of instances where he'd had to turn his shields on as mental evidence for that.

Yup, okay, if the fight starts and Supes is bloodlusted (though he is kind of morals off in new 52 from what i've seen. dunno what's up there) Mags would lose; wouldn't be able to get his shields in time. If Supes was in morals, he wouldn't speedblitz and Magneto could have a chance. He's pretty powerful, y'know...*wink*

@citizenbane said:

Superman eventually punches through Magneto's shields, assuming he even gets them up before Superman hits him, and then strikes Magneto slightly harder than Psylocke with a poison dart.

Scan stolen from GS' gallery

Stealing it too :)

@thedarklordpandamonium: Bane's already debunked your scans so I don't need to go into any further details. But I knew your scans were from a respect thread and some were horribly out of context. Magneto's so called impenetrable shields have proven to be quite penetrable by lesser beings. Superman will break through eventually. As for the blood iron, even if I grant you that Superman has iron in his blood, Magneto has never pulled iron from someone moving at hypersonic+ combat speeds. So he wouldn't be able to get a lock on Superman anyway.

If this is current magneto, superman kills him I do agree, but classic magneto has a chance of beating superman, not saying he takes a majority but not saying superman would either it all depends on the kind of situation, anybody who thinks magneto gets crushed is defiantly underating mags

@moonman78:

Isn't "Classic Magneto" is the same as "Current Magneto"?

Supes takes this magneto will be dead before he can raise his shields up.

Magneto has been depowered several times since his classic levels when pro x lobotomied him, especially since m day, but no he is not the same level as he was

Kal Kent.

Magneto is going down.

@zr0c00l: I still think your looking conveniently only the point Superman beats everybody. At the war in Manhattan Hulk said himself... Which is a lot stronger than his son yet... That he could not stop Juggs and that's why he bfr'd him. Infinite Momentum is one of Juggs basics... One he gains momentum its impossible to stop him. And no... Superman punched through a reality that was already broken. And how punching through 1 reality puts you above someone who just walk through realities like they were paper just by pure strength... Stop overrating Superman, he CAN loose sometimes...

What im saying is Juggs and Herc are way beyond 100 toner... If superman was from Marvel he'll be considered a 100 toner as well... My point is 100 toner applies for everybody who can lift 100 tons and 100+ tons... Im not underestimating Magneto, however, i think you are underestimating Superman (something really odd in the vine). And don't use ABC logic... This doesn't work like that. Also, you don't need to accuse me of not reading comic books (which is totally false), Because you didn't understand my argument.

Exactly, its not that Magneto couldn't beat him if he just stood there, but that Superman is superior in many fields turning this in a general mismatch as long as some restrictions are applied in the OP.

True, i stand corrected.

@ghostravage:

I misunderstood your statement I stand corrected but, ABC logic does work here, basically saying if Polaris can be proven to dominate superman and the jl with his em powers, why not magneto, he has proven to do the exact same things and much more.

That doesn't mean Magneto has the same knowledge of the characters as Polaris. How will Magneto know at first instance that Superman has solar based powers? He won't...

No. Current Magneto can barely dismantle a group of sentinels. He can fly and still throw moderately sized metal objects like poles or Wolverine, but he is vastly depowered to the point he is resorting to wearing a utility belt and stuffing the pockets with small metal objects like nails to use as projectiles.

Superman.

the fact of superman having solar based powers has nothing to do with it. In character magneto will just do what he does normally, which includes him coming to battle in his full shield and throwing every metal object in the city at superman, including but not limited too boats and oil tankers. Magneto is super aggressive and will not play around, superman in character is more likely to be egotistical and take it easier at first, and by the time he realizes he really has hell on his hands it might be too late. But im referring to full powered magneto

Evan if Superman is in character (Meaning he wont give everything at first)i dont see how Magneto could pull a win here.

like

like this

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Superman ftw

Supes speedblitzes

If magneto had prep and knowledege on superman, and he fighting in c\harecter, Isee magneto winning, but withou prep, or blood lusted, magneto will taste what I like to call speed blitz

How is this not locked? Superman STOMPS!