Magneto vs Superman

Mags with that much prep could probably do this. And for those "supes is a 100x ftl planet buster" comments, I'd bet magneto could destroy a planet without getting his physical hands dirty

And As far as mags force fields supes

Could just phase through them. Or use his X-ray vision in tandem with his heat vision and labotomize mags. Or he could just punch through the force fields.

@sog7dc:

You cannot say that Superman violates a chemical norm without proof. Magneto has bloodbend aliens before, they still had blood and so does Superman.

Superman is not invulnerable. He has been hurt and killed. His body has pores, magneto can draw the blood out of the pores. Without any blood, Superman will die, unless you have proof that says otherwise we have to assume he's like a regular human except for the canonical changes.

Magneto's shields have put up with way more than Superman has dished out.

@thedarklordpandamonium:

1. It's a chemical norm for earthlings. Superman is a kryptonian. An invulnerable kryptonian. Has mags blood bended someone with supermans invulnerability?

2. Oh so superman isn't invulnerable? That factually incorrect. He hasn't died in the new 52 has he? He hasn't made mention of any pores in the new 52 has he?

3. What? Name one thing mags has blocked that superman isn't more powerful than.

@black_arrow: I could've swore that Superman held his breath when going through outer space.

What if Superman took on Onslaught? O.o

um with prep got to give it to mags as he will get kryptonite mags isnt a dumb villain after all and kryptonite seams to be a metal (i may be wrong but even if its not he can get it in 6 hours ,if it is he can get all of it in 6 hours)

otherwise morals off i give it to sups 8/10 (blitz before mags gets shields up to strength)

morals on mags 9/10 mags shields at his strongest can hold for at least a few seconds vs superman he wont one shot em

mags at anything but his strongest and its a super man wins a lot more tbh but at his strongest hes going to kick the crap out of almost anyone who swallows a penny and with prep its just a missmatch

i know its my first post but ive been reading these for awhile and am confidant in this call

hell with prep hes gets kryptonite and covers himself with adamtium mags at his strongest is going to give the entire j.l a good fight

@sog7dc:

1) You cannot assume Superman has a power he does not. By default he has the characteristics of an Earthling; if all of a sudden his blood is golden or it's said his blood doesn't contain iron then we'll wipe that characteristic off the slate.

2) Oh, so since Supes is invulnerable, he could beat the Saint of Killers? Galactus? Goku? Please. He has shown hurt (being KO'd by the Omega Beams) in the New 52.

3) Magneto amped tanked 2 nukes (direct contact) without any shields and was only struggling to minimize the radioactive fallout so it didn't damage his equipment. In a second he was fine and beat the rest of the X-Men. I haven't seen Superman punching with the loadout of a nuke yet.

@thedarklordpandamonium:

1. What power are you talking about? Are you inferring that superman isn't invulnerable??

2. You think goku could beat superman......

3. Superman has survived omega beams. He has tanked helsponts blasts, he has tanked h'els punch, he has survived black holes tearing him apart, he has bathed in the sun which is like 100 billion nukes going off in your face per second lol this isn't even a debate. Magneto hasn't got a chance

And if you haven't seen supes punch with the load out of a nuke u haven't been reading supermans main new 52 title where is punch literally shook the planet.

@sog7dc:

1) No. I'm saying that we can't assume Superman's blood doesn't contain iron unless there's a reason for assuming so other than him being an alien.

Also I'd like to point out that Superman has already swallowed a penny so whether or not he has iron in his blood is irrelevant, Magneto can still bloodbend him.

2) Yes, but that's not the point. Just because he's 'invulnerable' doesn't mean he could beat everyone. He couldn't beat Galactus, couldn't beat the Saint of Killers, etc.

3) Typical battle forum rules are that win is by Death or KO. He got KO'd by the Omega Beams. He had his armor for the Helspont blasts, I remember reading that in the respect thread. He hasn't actually survived the black holes, read this. And given that he gains his powers from the sun, bathing in it really isn't relevant. I could just as easily say Magneto has contained the entire EM spectrum, which is equivalent to 100 billion nukes, but it's irrelevant because that's his power.

Also, punches shaking the planet? That's nice, but unless that punch created destruction equivalent to a nuke it doesn't mean anything.

umm 6 hours prep mags can cover himself in adamatium power up his shields (they have taken thors hammer and hulk hits even at less then mags full power)

not to mention in 6 hours he can acquire all the krytionite in the world

with 6 hours prep mags will give the entire j.l a good fight this is a mismatch the fact sups has swallowed a penny makes it rolfstomp as sups cant speed blits if mags holds that penny in place, unless you know sups wants a penny to rip open his internal organs and all that jazz

Magneto with prep EMP himself and blow Superman brains. His shield will stop Superman from reaching Mags for a small amount of time (enough for Mags to blow Supes brain).

Here's scan of Magneto shield blocking Mjolnir:

And here's Magneto blowing a Mutant brain in less than 5 seconds:

However, Magneto lose without prep because of Supes speed.

/thread

@sog7dc:

no we mean he bleeds his heart lungs kidneys and brain are all in the same place as a human's are and they are so similar that kryptonians can even breed with humans so yes they are and I believe that it is stated that if a human is on a planet with a redstar they get superman powers but this may have been changed.

@cheesesticks:

well said

and mags has 6 hours prep

so mags wins

^_^

@thedarklordpandamonium:

It's like you don't want to actually understand what I'm saying

1. So the life on planet krypton has the same chemical makeup A's the life on planet earth even though beings from krypton gain power from being in our environment? That's ridiculous

2. You're bringing up things that gbe absolutely nothing to do with this battle. He could not defeat galactus but he stomps on magnetos grave

3. Uhm read superman unchained 2. He survived literally multiple blackholes and was not ko'd. There is nothing magneto could do to ko superman.

4.

This is just simple logic dude. Nukes don't shake the entire planet. Supermans punch did. Supermans punch>>>>>>>nukes

@sog7dc:

1) Not going to bother to continue this because Superman has swallowed a penny anyhow.

2) *facepalm* You're not getting, are you? Just because he's invulnerable doesn't mean he can't be beaten.

3)

what...the...hell...

scans?

4) Earthquakes shakes the planet. Nukes don't. So by your logic an earthquake would KO magneto?

@sog7dc: Read my post, Mags win

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Yes. Because a penny can hurt superman while helspont, h'el and blackholes cannot.

Never said that he can't be beaten. But I will say he can't be beaten by magneto

Go look in the respect thread. It's there.

You're comparing apples to oranges. A punch which is an offensive action with the intent of inflicting damage, shook the planet. A nuke which is an offensive weapon with intent of sustruction does not have enough power to shake a planet. Supes hit a dudes face and the force from the blow shook the planet. Did the nuke that hit mags do this? No.

Superman is invulnerable to anything mags can do. Can mags exert enough power to do what helspont couldn't? Is mags more powerful than h'el? More powerful than multiple blackholes?

@thedarklordpandamonium: @sog7dc: It wasn't a black hole, they were Black Hole lasers

@cheesesticks: Ugh. You guys just love magneto. I get that. But he can't do that to superman. Unless of course magneto is stronger than multiple blackholes, h'el and helsponts blasts. And Ill say again. That superman is invulnerable. Ha mags done this to hulk? Thor? Anybody on supes level? And it's amazing how you guys seem to think that supes would just sit there and let magneto do his thing. Superman is infinitely faster than magneto is. He's stronger, more powerful. Mags has 0 chance

@thedarklordpandamonium:

.....I refuse to believe you don't get it. I believe you don't want to get it.

So you think Superman punch are far better than Mjolnir ? Unless you prove me that Superman brain is different than every other , he cannot protect his brain to shut down. It's not telepathy.

Check the scan i posted. If Superman punch is stronger than Mjolnir and if Superman brain is different than other brains, i give you the win.

HAH

GET DUNKED

@cheesesticks:

YES supermans punches are better than mjolnire because superman is faster than mjolnir. If something moves gayer it hits harder that's just basic physiscs. An maybe you haven't ward of torquasm vao. Protects supermans mind from stuff like that.

I guess I get the win.

lmfao

First of all that was hilarious

Second of all, photons move at light speed, but don't hit as hard as my fist.

Good job, looks like you failed basic physics.

Also, the writers for the New 52 said they retconned out Torquasm Vao! HAH!

@thedarklordpandamonium:

So a blackhole multiple blackholes being shot at him aren't as powerful as magneto using a penny?

@thedarklordpandamonium:

Ok no torqasm. But I failed physics? I guess ur insinuating that photons are A's dense as supermans invulnerable fist huh? And infinite mass punch isn't as powerful as mjolnir?

how about you help me out on this @deaditegonzo

They don't have the necessary mass to make any significant force

To be fair to SOG7dc Pre-52 Superman has different internal organs to humans

@sog7dc:

Yes, you did.

Because you said 'If something moves gayer it hits harder'. You probably meant faster, but that's still failing.

Because you insinuated that the only factor in hitting hard was being fast. Photons travel at the speed of light, but they don't hit hard at all.

Force is mass x velocity ^2.

Mjolnir is way more massive than Superman's fist.

And Mjolnir makes Thor fly at waaaaaaay FTL speeds, and Superman doesn't have FTL combat feats.

@dondave:

Not in the New 52, clearly, and the writers made changes in the New 52 such as retconning out all of Superman's 'obscure' traits.

That's what im telling you, Magneto doesn't affect the mind, it's the molecule of his brain. Even if Superman punch are stronger than Thor hitting force with Mjolnir (Wich i highly doubt), Magneto would crush his brain in an instant. Unless you show me a scan of Superman being able to stop his electromagetic field from crushing his brain, Mags win.

@dondave : It's not even a strength question. The brain has an electromagnetic field around him to make it work. Magneto is shutting it down. It would at least put him into a coma.

@thedarklordpandamonium:

arguing semantics huh? didn't think I really needed to make mention of dwnsity and mass and durability of the object etc. thought it was an "understood you" but I guess not. but ive explained why mags has no shot. and you still persist to argue the folly. so im done here

superman is faster than mjolnir. more durable. and physically stronger than thor. so logically supes punch>>>>>>>>>mjolnir

and you guys completely ignore supermans invulnerability as if he is a human.

Superman.

@sog7dc:

Stop talking about invulnerability, it's not the case here. You clearly don't understand Magneto power. Here, read this:

Magneto power

And you know Mjolnir is a magic object ? It increase the strength of the impact by a lot. So it's not only Thor strength.

@sog7dc:

No.

Force is (mv^2) where m=mass and v=velocity.

Mjolnir has more mass than Superman's hand.

Mjolnir has flown at hundreds of time FTL, way faster than Superman has ever punched.

Thus Mjolnir hits with more force than Superman's hand.

Superman tosses Magneto into the sun...

The Mass isn't necessarily Superman fist it's his whole body and if he's moving FTL he'd generate enough force to break through Magneto's Forcefield

@dondave:

Not unless it's a lightspeed tackle, which we haven't seen him do yet.

@dondave: You can't just assume it would destroy it, you need proof. If assuming would be a valid argument, oh dear... Oh and you forgot something. MJOLNIR IS MAGIC.

supermans hand is attached to his body.... superman can do an imp

@thedarklordpandamonium: He has gone FTL though

@cheesesticks: Why are you bringing up Mjolnir, I didn't say anything about it?

@dondave: Check above, i showed a scan of Magneto shield blocking Thor Mjolnir and Superman isn't hitting a lot more than that.

@cheesesticks: What does that have to do with my argument concerning Superman?

With the prep, will Magneto find out Supes weakness to Kryptonite and magic? If so I think magneto wins

Dude you said Superman would break Mags shield

@sog7dc: @dondave:

Yes

But Magneto's shields have withstood Thor flying into them

And Thor flies waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster than Superman as we all know.

Yes, but what does that have to do with Mjnolir being magic