Magneto vs Proteus (Blog)

" @Stormcell said:

"Okay, this is just no true. Nowhere was this established in the issue. On top of that, Magneto pointed out how Proteus fractioned his power by dividing himself into all of those host bodies right before he took Proteus out. Look, it doesn't matter how you cut it, Magneto has no shot against Proteus.

It wasn't established that Proteus was actually weakened before Magneto destroyed him, either. It goes both ways. All we get from it is Magneto stating that his broke himself like bread, or split himself up. Nothing about being weakened. "

" @Perfect Cell said:

" @Edamame said:

" @Stormcell: That is true. Proteus spread his consciousness into what, five host bodies? "

And all back into one right before he was about to kill Magneto. He had no other host but Blindfold. 
 

Okay, this is just no true. Nowhere was this established in the issue. On top of that, Magneto pointed out how Proteus fractioned his power by dividing himself into all of those host bodies right before he took Proteus out. Look, it doesn't matter how you cut it, Magneto has no shot against Proteus. Protues can control matter and energy on a level Magneto can't even begin to touch and has plenty of feats to back it up. Heck, Magneto could not even stop a Proteus with just a portion of his (Proteus') power from transmuting the iron in his blood into lead. This shows a much higher degree of control over matter and energy on Proteus' part over Magneto's. To boot, Proteus has even more impressive showings than this with his power. Magneto has no chance here without a serious PIS weakening Proteus to give Magneto the advantage. "

" Funny part is magneto was the one that was weakened since his blood became lead as you yourself pointed out. "

"He's talking about the comment Magneto made next. I think it was something about Proteus and his "majesty no longer being infinite". This of course may have just been concerning when he was in fact split up, which gave Magneto the time to analyze his composition and used that to disperse him. "

" Funny part is magneto was the one that was weakened since his blood became lead as you yourself pointed out. "

"It was actually stated on panel that Proteus divided himself amongst multiple hosts. It didn't say that he was dramatically weaekned however. "

" @Lance Uppercut said:

"He's talking about the comment Magneto made next. I think it was something about Proteus and his "majesty no longer being infinite". This of course may have just been concerning when he was in fact split up, which gave Magneto the time to analyze his composition and used that to disperse him. "

That too. I don't really see that as being weakened or at a fraction of his power as Stormcell suggested. "

" I'm gonna have to say Proteus will win "

" I think he's trying to play it off as some attempt to massively weaken Proteus, when it was perfectly within Magneto's power set to do so. He's smarter, and used his enemies arrogance to his advantage. I think he's trying to point this out because Storm couldn't beat Proteus. "

Magneto was extremely weakened in their fight. Especially after being tennis racketed from space to Earth.

" But telekinetic energy is composed of electrons, no? Therefore, he should be able to manipulate it, correct?  Also, Magneto's powers might be overpowered by theirs.  
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" @Perfect Cell: Magneto "tennis racketed from space to Earth" on purpose by himself. "Then you won't mind if we conclude this elsewhere..."  Something like that .    The other thing is, we did not see the separate parts of Proteus come back together, but of course we can infer this.  They wouldn't get lost, but possibly.  "

" @Perfect Cell: I already knew that.  However, I feel that my question hasn't been answered?  LOL.  : ( "

" You are not answering my question. In your last two posts you said things that I already know.  I asked whether or not Magneto can manipulate telekinetic energy. So, can he? "

Even if Magneto could affect hypothetical energy forms, he hasn't even shown to be able to do so.

" Even if Magneto could affect hypothetical energy forms, he hasn't even shown to be able to do so. "

" @Static Shock said:

" Even if Magneto could affect hypothetical energy forms, he hasn't even shown to be able to do so. "

He has manipulated Proteus' psionic energy form.  "

" @Static Shock: What do you mean? Proteus is just pure psionic energy.  "

Nice debating guys? Anyway, just skipped through a few post, and since I just recently read the comic yesterday. Magneto said to Psylocke, "I converted his power into electrons." There was a whole bluff thing going on, but Proteus couldn't get through Magneto's shields with his reality warping nor his mind control.  It seemed that Magneto knew that Proteus was getting awefully irritated and wanted Magneto to suffer for a bit. Since Magneto's shields were weakening, which I believe he did on purpose; Proteus manage to touch Magneto's head. The following, Magneto told Proteus, "I got you close enough to understand you." Proteus mistake was letting all his defenses go to concentrate on the finishing kill. That's when Magneto changed Proteus energy into electrons and scattered it across.

" @Perfect Cell: Tachyon = Wormholes? "

" @Perfect Cell: That reminds me of Silver Samurai and his mutant power. Nothing with wormholes though. LOL "

" @Perfect Cell: That reminds me of Silver Samurai and his mutant power. Nothing with wormholes though. LOL "

Is Methos still around? He was a graduate of Physics who understands a good deal about the Quantum Theories. He could clear things up on the relations between Tachyons & Wormholes.

" @Perfect Cell: No. Methos hasn't shown up for a while, actually. "

" @Perfect Cell: Neither is she, believe it or not. LOL "

" Tachyon fields contain the mathematical necessities for the creation of wormholes. In fact, it contains an entire family of classical and quantum wormhole solutions. (See reference #2 & #3) We have recently discovered that DNA has the ability to create micro-wormholes within the tachyon field. Why is this significant? Keep reading. "
 
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 http://www.projectjedi.net/news/itemlist/category/5-einstein-aether-physics.html

Gotdamn science. It's always something.

Proteus let his guard down, that's why he was beaten, though it's still questionable that magneto was able to manipulate him when Proteus has better manipulation on sub-atomic level. Proteus was playing with Magneto and the rest of the x-men present on that issue. But if this is going to be a fight without playing around, Magneto would lose.

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" I think he's trying to play it off as some attempt to massively weaken Proteus, when it was perfectly within Magneto's power set to do so. He's smarter, and used his enemies arrogance to his advantage. I think he's trying to point this out because Storm couldn't beat Proteus. "

That's exactly what I was thinking. That was evident in other threads, too."

" @Stormcell said:

" @Perfect Cell said:

" @Edamame said:

" @Stormcell: That is true. Proteus spread his consciousness into what, five host bodies? "

And all back into one right before he was about to kill Magneto. He had no other host but Blindfold. 
 

Okay, this is just no true. Nowhere was this established in the issue. On top of that, Magneto pointed out how Proteus fractioned his power by dividing himself into all of those host bodies right before he took Proteus out. Look, it doesn't matter how you cut it, Magneto has no shot against Proteus. Protues can control matter and energy on a level Magneto can't even begin to touch and has plenty of feats to back it up. Heck, Magneto could not even stop a Proteus with just a portion of his (Proteus') power from transmuting the iron in his blood into lead. This shows a much higher degree of control over matter and energy on Proteus' part over Magneto's. To boot, Proteus has even more impressive showings than this with his power. Magneto has no chance here without a serious PIS weakening Proteus to give Magneto the advantage. "

I don't want to repeat myself, but I will agree on this. Proteus is more powerful than Magneto, however; he is not as clever as Magneto. In the end; Magneto overpowered him just like he did with Dark Phoenix. (twice) "

proteus protest!

" @Static Shock said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" I think he's trying to play it off as some attempt to massively weaken Proteus, when it was perfectly within Magneto's power set to do so. He's smarter, and used his enemies arrogance to his advantage. I think he's trying to point this out because Storm couldn't beat Proteus. "

That's exactly what I was thinking. That was evident in other threads, too."

This is desperate. Storm has nothing to do with this. Storm's powers have also gained newer dimensions since she fought Proteus. The point I was making was Proteus was weakened in this fight against Magneto. Magneto did not defeat a full-powered Proteus. This cannot be disputed. On top of that, the story also showed that Proteus had greater control over energy and matter when he turned the iron in Magneto's blood into lead. Magneto was unable to counter this move. Given this and given Proteus' ability to transmute matter even going so far as to not only transmute one substance to another, but can literally push the envelope to transmuting non-living matter into living creatures puts him on a level FAR beyond Magneto. He should be able to easily nullify any application of power on Magneto's part. Magneto does not have this level of control over subatomic particles. He couldn't even prevent the iron in his blood from being transmuted into lead. Heck, I have not seen Magneto do any transmutation period.

 
@Perfect Cell

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" @Stormcell said:

" @Perfect Cell said:

" @Edamame said:

" @Stormcell: That is true. Proteus spread his consciousness into what, five host bodies? "

And all back into one right before he was about to kill Magneto. He had no other host but Blindfold. 
 

Okay, this is just no true. Nowhere was this established in the issue. On top of that, Magneto pointed out how Proteus fractioned his power by dividing himself into all of those host bodies right before he took Proteus out. Look, it doesn't matter how you cut it, Magneto has no shot against Proteus. Protues can control matter and energy on a level Magneto can't even begin to touch and has plenty of feats to back it up. Heck, Magneto could not even stop a Proteus with just a portion of his (Proteus') power from transmuting the iron in his blood into lead. This shows a much higher degree of control over matter and energy on Proteus' part over Magneto's. To boot, Proteus has even more impressive showings than this with his power. Magneto has no chance here without a serious PIS weakening Proteus to give Magneto the advantage. "

I don't want to repeat myself, but I will agree on this. Proteus is more powerful than Magneto, however; he is not as clever as Magneto. In the end; Magneto overpowered him just like he did with Dark Phoenix. (twice) "

Magneto never beat Dark Phoenix. Secondly, the first time Magneto beat Phoenix, her powers were scaled down to only rival Xavier. Prior to fighting Magneto, she had battled Firelord and threw energy attacks at him backed by the power of stars. You can see the PIS here. The next time "Xorneto" beat Phoenix, his powers were amplified exponentially by the drug, kick. He hit her with a planet-sized EMP and gave her a planet-sized stroke. This again was total PIS. Prior to meeting Xorneto, Phoenix had just danced in the face of the sun which carries an EM field one trillion times the power of the Earth's EM field and that's just the start of the energies contained within the sun. Xorneto should not have been able to hurt Phoenix at all with that EMP. It was total PIS.   Proteus doesn't have to be as clever as Magneto with his powerset. His powerset outdoes Magneto's many times over and Protues has demonstrated tremendous skill with his powers. He's been able to transmute non-living glass into swarms of living bees, turn gravity over large areas on a 90 degree angle, render matter transparent, transform Cyclop's optic blast into butterflies (or flowers), etc. While it is true that Protues is vulnerable to metal, he can still manipulate it on a level far beyond Magneto. For instance, when Moira tried to kill him with a metal shot gun and metal bullets, he turned the gun into a snake, IIRC. This is far beyond the scope of Magneto's power. In other words, Magneto should not have been able to discorporate his energy form as he did in that story since Proteus is a much higher level energy manipulator. Magneto does not have a shot against this kind of character. For Magneto's benefit, however, it does show that Magneto can discoporate energy beings if the energy has a relation close enough to EM and he has time to analyze it. However, Proteus is way too powerful a foe for this ability to work on. Magneto should not be able to pull this on Proteus given Proteus' other feats which demonstrates much higher levels of matter and energy manipulation than Magneto's, but on weaker characters composed of energy closely related to magnetism, this story can be used to argue Magneto pulling this move on them. Of course, the character would have to be weaker than Magneto.   "

" @Static Shock said:

" @Lance Uppercut said:

" I think he's trying to play it off as some attempt to massively weaken Proteus, when it was perfectly within Magneto's power set to do so. He's smarter, and used his enemies arrogance to his advantage. I think he's trying to point this out because Storm couldn't beat Proteus. "

That's exactly what I was thinking. That was evident in other threads, too."

This is desperate. Storm has nothing to do with this. Storm's powers have also gained newer dimensions since she fought Proteus. The point I was making was Proteus was weakened in this fight against Magneto. Magneto did not defeat a full-powered Proteus. This cannot be disputed. On top of that, the story also showed that Proteus had greater control over energy and matter when he turned the iron in Magneto's blood into lead. Magneto was unable to counter this move. Given this and given Proteus' ability to transmute matter even going so far as to not only transmute one substance to another, but can literally push the envelope to transmuting non-living matter into living creatures puts him on a level FAR beyond Magneto. He should be able to easily nullify any application of power on Magneto's part. Magneto does not have this level of control over subatomic particles. He couldn't even prevent the iron in his blood from being transmuted into lead. Heck, I have not seen Magneto do any transmutation period.
 
@Perfect Cell said:

" @Stormcell said:

" @Perfect Cell said:

" @Edamame said:

" @Stormcell: That is true. Proteus spread his consciousness into what, five host bodies? "

And all back into one right before he was about to kill Magneto. He had no other host but Blindfold. 
 

Okay, this is just no true. Nowhere was this established in the issue. On top of that, Magneto pointed out how Proteus fractioned his power by dividing himself into all of those host bodies right before he took Proteus out. Look, it doesn't matter how you cut it, Magneto has no shot against Proteus. Protues can control matter and energy on a level Magneto can't even begin to touch and has plenty of feats to back it up. Heck, Magneto could not even stop a Proteus with just a portion of his (Proteus') power from transmuting the iron in his blood into lead. This shows a much higher degree of control over matter and energy on Proteus' part over Magneto's. To boot, Proteus has even more impressive showings than this with his power. Magneto has no chance here without a serious PIS weakening Proteus to give Magneto the advantage. "

I don't want to repeat myself, but I will agree on this. Proteus is more powerful than Magneto, however; he is not as clever as Magneto. In the end; Magneto overpowered him just like he did with Dark Phoenix. (twice) "

Magneto never beat Dark Phoenix. Secondly, the first time Magneto beat Phoenix, her powers were scaled down to only rival Xavier. Prior to fighting Magneto, she had battled Firelord and threw energy attacks at him backed by the power of stars. You can see the PIS here. The next time "Xorneto" beat Phoenix, his powers were amplified exponentially by the drug, kick. He hit her with a planet-sized EMP and gave her a planet-sized stroke. This again was total PIS. Prior to meeting Xorneto, Phoenix had just danced in the face of the sun which carries an EM field one trillion times the power of the Earth's EM field and that's just the start of the energies contained within the sun. Xorneto should not have been able to hurt Phoenix at all with that EMP. It was total PIS.   Proteus doesn't have to be as clever as Magneto with his powerset. His powerset outdoes Magneto's many times over and Protues has demonstrated tremendous skill with his powers. He's been able to transmute non-living glass into swarms of living bees, turn gravity over large areas on a 90 degree angle, render matter transparent, transform Cyclop's optic blast into butterflies (or flowers), etc. While it is true that Protues is vulnerable to metal, he can still manipulate it on a level far beyond Magneto. For instance, when Moira tried to kill him with a metal shot gun and metal bullets, he turned the gun into a snake, IIRC. This is far beyond the scope of Magneto's power. In other words, Magneto should not have been able to discorporate his energy form as he did in that story since Proteus is a much higher level energy manipulator. Magneto does not have a shot against this kind of character. For Magneto's benefit, however, it does show that Magneto can discoporate energy beings if the energy has a relation close enough to EM and he has time to analyze it. However, Proteus is way too powerful a foe for this ability to work on. Magneto should not be able to pull this on Proteus given Proteus' other feats which demonstrates much higher levels of matter and energy manipulation than Magneto's, but on weaker characters composed of energy closely related to magnetism, this story can be used to argue Magneto pulling this move on them. Of course, the character would have to be weaker than Magneto.   "

This is desperate. Storm has nothing to do with this. The point I was making was Proteus was weakened in this fight against Magneto. Magneto did not defeat a full-powered Proteus. This cannot be disputed.

Proteus wasn't divided when Magneto defeated it.

" Proteus wasn't divided when Magneto defeated it. "

I'm actually surprised that he responded to me with that, after people told him the exact same thing, that Proteus wasn't weakened there and that Magneto never stated he was.

" I'm actually surprised that he responded to me with that, after people told him the exact same thing, that Proteus wasn't weakened there and that Magneto never stated he was. "

" Maybe he read the comic again and changed his mind. "

" @Cypher's Gambit said:

" Maybe he read the comic again and changed his mind. "

Highly doubtful. He's been saying this for months, and he still doesn't seem to get it. "

"He has a habit of repeating himself while managing to contribute nothing new to the conversation despite it being explained over and over and over and over and over and over (at this point, I'm not even being facetious) and over and over and over. It would be funny if he weren't so serious about it. "

" @Lance Uppercut said:

"He has a habit of repeating himself while managing to contribute nothing new to the conversation despite it being explained over and over and over and over and over and over (at this point, I'm not even being facetious) and over and over and over. It would be funny if he weren't so serious about it. "

Real talk. I also liked how he told me it couldn't be disputed, as if he had legitimate proof of what he was saying. "

"Yeah, I didn't really get that comment. If it can't be disputed, then why are we disputing it now? "

" @Cypher's Gambit said:

" Proteus wasn't divided when Magneto defeated it. "

Exactly. "

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