IsEeDeAdPeOpLe says:
"Ok I'm back..You said there was no gas anywhere and that the moisture came out of her body. THAT'S THE POINT! I hadn't seen those pics so i was suggesting he had flown to her in the form of gas but it was actually much more simple than that. When you look at those shots it's quite clear to see that water is being sucked out of her body. All iceman had to do was pull the water out of her body, and add it all to his own, thus reforming his body. Tada!! No need for body reforming. Again. That picture doesn't prove anything other than that iceman can pull the water out of a person's body!! "
“All Iceman had to do was pull the water out of her body, and add it all to his own…”
But does he add it to his body? That’s not what I see. I see water coming from her body and reforming in the air when his head (the only part of him left) is nowhere in sight. In fact, on the previous page, it had fallen to the ground. So it doesn’t show him adding it to his own, just forming out of the water even though there was no kind of contact.
IsEeDeAdPeOpLe says:
"About the guy on fire - Nothing on that picture tells me the guy on fire is iceman. In fact the picture suggests quite the opposite when you're out of context like I was. Take a good look at it. What sense does it make for him to turn into gas (Yeah i said gas because he is clearly gas on that pic) and leave his body behind instead of turning into ice and put the fire out with water or ice?!?!? That would be pretty much the worst decision to take on that situation. But that's ok I'll assume he is iceman. Where is the mind transfer? He just leaves his body in the form of gas, he didn't transfer his mind. In fact where would he have transfered his mind to? Transfering his mind to the moisture right next to him would be pretty much useless(even stupid..) not to say that it would be no different from simply turning into gas. Also that pic actually proves he needs a continuum. Why in the hell would he transfer his mind to the moisture right next to him, which is on fire, if he could transfer his mind to any piece of water in the planet? Answer: he needs a continuum. "
Nothing tells you that it’s Iceman? How about the fact that Northstar and Aurora called him out and saying they were going to attack him? How about the fact that Cannonball, the only other guy in the room who it could be, is shown on the next page without any sign of fire damage? How about the fact that Iceman was the threat they were trying to neutralize? If he was the one they were after, why would they use such a destructive attack on someone else?
Possible reason that he didn’t transfer his mind far: He got scared out of his skin. He was surprised by getting totally destroyed and just jumped straight out of his body without actually going anywhere.
IsEeDeAdPeOpLe says:
"How do you explain iceman is coming from the sentinels if he wasn't there? Just a bit of s stunt for the grand finale? A bit of show off? Or did his horoscope tell him that was a good day to reform when coming from a destroyed sentinel? My guess: he is coming from there because he was there doing some nasty stuff to the sentinels. "
He destroyed them (not explained how) and forms from moisture as the debris falls. He didn’t have be coming out of them to do that, that’s just where the moisture is and so that’s where he’s forming.
IsEeDeAdPeOpLe says:
"Does iceman lose if he can exist as nothing? No, i'll give you that? Can he exist as nothing. Judging by that evidence, no not really. "
More on the moisture medium thing: In the image coming up, Iceman survives a vacuum. He was in a ship with a bad guy and the bad guy disappears and leaves a vacuum that leads elsewhere in his wake. The vacuum sucks in the entire ship (Iceman still inside) and even outside where the rest of the team is waiting on a nearby mountaintop, everything is being sucked into the vacuum. Using their powers they all stay on the mountain, but everything else is pulled in. Though Iceman was the first thing sucked in he’s somehow back on our side before the vacuum dissipates. If he were in the moisture, he’d be sucked through and he wouldn’t have been able to get back. If he were purely mental, the vacuum would have no pull on him, thus allowing him to return as he did.
IsEeDeAdPeOpLe says:
"When he's not drawn he's not there? Are you listening to yourself? Air is colorless you cannot see it. Is it not there all the long? The only pic you have shown where iceman wasn't drawn and he still had an influence was the pic with the sentinels but even then I offered a simple explanation that is later verified when you see him leaving the sentinels as steam yet you still believe he doesn't need a body. Do you still think you're not assuming? "
I’m not talking about normal air. When Iceman is in mist form, he’s shown in mist form. They take time out to draw him as air. Why is it so impossible to think that when they’re not drawing him in mist form, it’s because he’s not in mist form?
Just because he’s not doing anything doesn’t mean he’s not there. In the image where he explodes into flame, he isn’t drawn afterwards but he still exists. The same is true when he fights the fire guy, he’s not there, but he still exists.
Your explanation was never verified like you say it was. You said he did something to them inside and then came out. The page said there was mist in the air, not that mist came out of the sentinels.
IsEeDeAdPeOpLe says:
"For a long time you have been claiming this: Everytime he turns into gas he is depicted as such. That is obviously not something you can say for sure because it is not logically necessary but still I accepted it because it's got a high probability of being true, it makes sense. And that's ok. But if you accept that and given that you seem to know comics fairly well you won't certainly deny, even though it's not logically necessary, that everytime the authors show their characters performing some new ability they feel compelled to denote that by writing it, even if they do it only once. You must have seen it happening a billion times. Sometimes the narrator describes it, sometimes it's the character him/herself, sometimes it's just some other character nearby. I don't think I'm asking too much of a "leap of faith" because if you think about it you'll notice it makes perfect sense. Readers want to know exactly what's going on to keep the excitemente levels high. Besides a lot of people feel kind of disappointed when characters can do pretty much anything without a flaw. The best way to limit a characters power it to tell the reader what he/she can do. Authors know all this so they find a way to let the reader know, sometimes resorting to large (almost unnatural) descriptions. In fact I'd say this has even got higher probability of being true than what you want me to assume about gas.Considering that I think I have demonstrated that the mind transfer must be stated somehwere. All you have to do is show me where is it stated and I'll be Iceman's #1 fan."
They don’t always explain everything. They do 90% (random % but I’m just saying it’s very high) of the time but there are times when they don’t. He’s split himself in two (and both went to different places in the US) without an explanation. Does that mean he’s not really in two places? No.
IsEeDeAdPeOpLe says:
"Oh and do you remember questioning the fact that Magneto can bond iron particles to one's body? Here goes the proof. Highlight: It's stated that he can do that, thus verifying (without making it undeniable of course) what I just told you.(As a perk it's also shown that Cyclops's optical beams at full power cannot break his shield - stated by cyclops himself).
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Reupload it somewhere else, I can’t see it. Regardless, Iceman can spread to any and every bit of moisture (whether or not he needs a medium) so unless Magneto bonds every water molecule on the planet, it won’t matter.
That girl doesn’t teleport through the brimstone dimension like Nightcrawler does so you can’t say that Nightcrawler’s teleport attempt will end the same way as hers.
Most of the people on that list have been in a position to kill Magneto but didn’t. Magneto could easily take them (individually), but they’ve had their shots at him too.
Also, has Magneto ever blood-ripped someone in comics? I’m not saying he can’t, lemme say that, but a lot of people say he can do it as naturally as breathing when I’ve never seen it done in comics. I’ve heard of him holding people still, but no blood rips. The closest I’ve seen is when Polaris held Iceman (he was human and also not fighting back) and gave him a nosebleed.
Post Edited:2007-04-21 18:30:04
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